Pre-Wedding Information for Madeleine and Chris

[ricarda]

the language issue bugs me, too. Sure, we Yanks love our own language, but jeez, if you're marrying somebody who comes from another country wouldn't you want to make some effort to learn their language? At least a little bit of it?

Well, all we know yet is that Chris will make his vow in his own language.
This doesn't necessarily mean that he will not make any effort to learn the language or say a little bit in Swedish at some point during the wedding, perhaps during his speech. Let's wait and see. Why are people always so quick in critizising?

 

[fortimo]

Photo gallery of Chris and Carl Philip partying last night
Pian entinen poikamies Chris biletti Tukholman yössä Lehtikuva lehtikuva.fi

Video about Chris:
Här förfestar Madeleine och Chris | Bildspel | Aftonbladet

 

[rchainho]

you are fast to post pics.

 

[LadyFinn]

The police will help singer Peter Jöback with a police car or motorcycle to get right after the wedding service from the Royal Palace to Arlanda Airport. Peter will sing at the Tony Awards the title song of the Phantom of the Opera on Sunday.
Polisen hjälper stjärnan efter vigseln Nyheter Aftonbladet

It could be that also from this will come some negative comments, to use a police to escort a singer who performs at a royal wedding...

 

[Tilia C.]

Then Silvia's family shouldn't be invited either.

But Silvia's family are uncles, cousins, etc. of the bride. That's a different case, imo.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

I am sad to see that there are not many royals really for this wedding -- yes, I know she is the third child of the king and its not an important wedding really according to some. In the end, she is still the daughter of a king and I would assume that there would be more representatives in the royals department than just four or so families! It saddens me.

Will Carl Philip and Sofia's wedding be like this or will he get more because he is the only son and second child of the king?

W-A and Maxima aren't there because they are not Prince and Princess anymore and everyone else probably had engagements. Philippe and Matilde are in USA. Don't know why Spain didn't sent anyone.

Carl Philips future wedding will probably be similar to this one. Queen Margrethe will likely be there then because she is his godmother.

 

[snowflower]

(Moved to the correct thread).

One of the many stories that has spilled over from Sweden and hit the Danish press are some details in connection with the wedding: http://www.bt.dk/royale/her-er-madel...-bryllups-valg

Apparantly a part of the wedding will take place in English, with Madeleine saying "Ja" at the altar and Chris O'Neil saying: "I do".

It may be a small detail in a nice marriage, that will hopefully last a lifetime, but I don't think it's elegantly handled and I would like to hit Chris O'Neil on the head with a shovel.

Good greif, the man is marrying a genuine Princess from a genuine monarchy, - in Sweden on top of that! Is it really too much to ask that he respects the Swedes by at least learning to say one word in Swedish? It's pronounced like Ya in Ya'll. Surely he can learn that.

He may not give a hoot about royalty, and he may roll in money and he may be an important man in his own right but he is marrying a princess, and princesses are public property of their countries.
Sorry, it's not elegant and it's not a good way to endear himself to the Swedes.

IMO , there's is nothing wrong with saying your wedding vows in your native language - I suppose that it probably feels more real this way and sounds more honest and genuine ( anyway I don't know how wedding vows should sound, we Greeks just shut up during the whole religious wedding service ). But even if it is perceived as an insult to the Swedes he is not the one at fault. True , he probably doesn't care at all, or cares very little about the Swedish monarchy, the public perception, protocolls and all that stuff and that is fine. He is just an American why should he care? He wasn't raised to appreciate the Swedish Monarchy. But Madeleine was and if anyone should be blamed it's solely her. She is the one who was raised a Princess. She is the one who should care about the public perception. She is the one who is set on a different standar.And , honestly, she is the one who should ensure that the man she would choose would act accordingly - so if Chris O'Neill is not what Sweden's people expected, it's her fault because she either didn' t care from the beggining about finding a "proper consort' or she simply decided to dismiss those criterias completely

 

[LadyFinn]

Philippe and Matilde are in USA.

Mathilde isn't with Philippe in this USA trip, she is tonight at a Football match Belgium-Serbia - Qualifying for the World Cup in 2014 in Brussels with king Albert and queen Paola.
De Belgische Monarchie: Home - Actueel - Agenda - Voetbalwedstrijd België-Servië - Kwalificatie voor de Wereldbeker in 2014

 

[An Ard Ri]

I'm surprised too, especially thinking that they all have "second/third children" to send: Laurent and Claire, Constantijn and Laurentien, Elena.

Infanta Elena is the eldest child of Their Majesties,Cristina is the third child but there's not a chance that Spain would send the Duchess of Palma to represent the Borbóns!

 

[Al_bina]

... [snipped] Philippe and Matilde are in USA. ...[snipped]

Crown Prince Phillpe is undertaking solo engagements in the USA. Quoting Marengo from the thread devoted to the economic mission in question:

To limit the costs of this visit, Mathilde didn't join him, a policy that was announced earlier... [snipped]

 

[tommy100]

It could be true that Olle and Ewa wanted to be with Estelle, Ternert could just have said: They want to spend time with their granddaughter. But Ternert always babbles something stupid like now that there are other people too and like Olle and Ewa can't manage as just the two of them. Ternert can't be respectful to people. I didn't see Elisabeth Zimmermann's name at the official guest list, but maybe those who work for the royal family aren't there.

Couldn't agree more, i think Ternert needs to learn whento say no comment. Instead he goes into great detail and depth whilst at the same time making the situation worse.

I think its perfectly reasonable that olle and Ewa may want to look after Estelle on the wedding day or the night before, though I'm sure they have a good relatiosnhip with the Crown Princess family i'm sure like most grandparents they love anexcuse to be with their grandchild. What would you pick, your daughter in laws sisters wedding or looking after your grandchild??

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Crown Prince Phillpe is undertaking solo engagements in the USA. Quoting Marengo from the thread devoted the economic mission in question:

Ah i see. Thanks for the clarification

 

[princess gertrude]

Infanta Elena is the eldest child of Their Majesties,Cristina is the third child but there's not a chance that Spain would send the Duchess of Palma to represent the Borbóns!

Quite right about Christina, not a chance.

 

[princess gertrude]

IMO , there's is nothing wrong with saying your wedding vows in your native language - I suppose that it probably feels more real this way and sounds more honest and genuine ( anyway I don't know how wedding vows should sound, we Greeks just shut up during the whole religious wedding service ). But even if it is perceived as an insult to the Swedes he is not the one at fault. True , he probably doesn't care at all, or cares very little about the Swedish monarchy, the public perception, protocolls and all that stuff and that is fine. He is just an American why should he care? He wasn't raised to appreciate the Swedish Monarchy. But Madeleine was and if anyone should be blamed it's solely her. She is the one who was raised a Princess. She is the one who should care about the public perception. She is the one who is set on a different standar.And , honestly, she is the one who should ensure that the man she would choose would act accordingly - so if Chris O'Neill is not what Sweden's people expected, it's her fault because she either didn' t care from the beggining about finding a "proper consort' or she simply decided to dismiss those criterias completely

Didn't think of it that way. You may have a point. Personally, I don't think Madeleine cares. She's a Princess, found a well off husband and will be living in NY.

 

[rchainho]

infanta elena could be a good representative to spain.

 

[NGalitzine]

They way people are carrying on about the lack of Dutch representation you would almost think WA had declared war on Sweden. Usually such angitation is saved for the BRF because only the monarchs youngest son and his wife are sent to such events. People seem much less fussed about the lack of Belgian or Spanish representation though. Its only a wedding after all.

 

[An Ard Ri]

infanta elena could be a good representative to spain.

Yes she is but I can't see her attending the wedding on her own,if the Queen was attending then maybe,but sadly Spain is not sending anyone,not even aunty Pilar!

 

[FanofMonaco]

Spain is broke. They're not sending anyone anywhere.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Spain is broke. They're not sending anyone anywhere.

Sorry but what does 'being broke' have to do with going to a potential friends wedding?

 

[Grandma828]

If you look at the Swedish Kings siblings, they do not do much official stuff. Why would anyone expect Victoria's sibling to do much official work. I personally think Maddie and Chris will live in NY and drift further and further away from royal life. She could see the future and chose for herself what she wanted.

 

[NGalitzine]

If you look at the Swedish Kings siblings, they do not do much official stuff. Why would anyone expect Victoria's sibling to do much official work. I personally think Maddie and Chris will live in NY and drift further and further away from royal life. She could see the future and chose for herself what she wanted.

Totally agree. There does not seem to be a need in Sweden for anyone other than the monarchs and the heir & spouse to perform engagements and represent the nation on a regular basis. CP does not seem to have a very burdensome schedule of engagements. Maddy has been living away for a couple of years now and Sweden has been ticking along quite nicely without Madeleines presence. As long as she is only funded by the state for official engagements she is quite entitled to live her life as she sees fit in NYC or elsewhere and marry whomever she wants.
I do think a private non televised wedding would have been better but I seem to recall reading that it was her father who wanted a bigger event.

 

[LadyFinn]

If you look at the Swedish Kings siblings, they do not do much official stuff. Why would anyone expect Victoria's sibling to do much official work. I personally think Maddie and Chris will live in NY and drift further and further away from royal life. She could see the future and chose for herself what she wanted.

The king's sister's aren't at the succession order. Princess Christina does quite much work, but the court doesn't inform about it at the website, because she isn't a member of the Royal House. Princess Christina is involved with charities and she inaugurates often exhibitions etc. She meets more "common" swedes than Madeleine has met for a long time.

 

[HRHHermione]

Sorry but what does 'being broke' have to do with going to a potential friends wedding?

Um- it costs money to attend? And as Spain is in a very bad place economically and there's an ongoing PR crisis related to a scandal involving misuse of government money- it makes sense for them to avoid looking extravagant at the moment

 

[NGalitzine]

Um- it costs money to attend? And as Spain is in a very bad place economically and there's an ongoing PR crisis related to a scandal involving misuse of government money- it makes sense for them to avoid looking extravagant at the moment

Not disagreeing, but there is such a thing as discount flights. Sofia has been known to use Ryan Air for trips to London. Hotel and ground transportation likely picked by by King CG. Most princesses probably have a gown or 2 that could be used again and there are alreadyfamily jewels. The trip could have been done on the cheap if the SRF really wanted to be there.

 

[suztav]

I hVe to say that I am quite surprised at the under-Royal representation on this wedding.

 

[AnnieCat]

"chose for herself what she wanted"

Well, yes. She clearly doesn't want to bother with all this royalty stuff and is happy to leave her sister to deal with it. I thought siblings helped each other out, supported each other, etc.. Victoria, one day in the hopefully distant future, is going to be Queen Regnant of Sweden. It might be nice for her to have a sister around for moral support, for someone in addition to her husband to talk to as a way to vent all the stuff she won't be able to say in public, and maybe to help with the royal chores that will fall on her when she is Queen.

If Madeleine doesn't want to do that, sure, she's entitled to choose the life of a wealthy hedge fund manager's wife in New York. And I am also entitled to have my own feelings about her and that choice. Let's just say I prefer Princess Margriet of the Netherlands and her husband, who somehow managed to get married, have a good life together, Pieter Van Vollenhoven had a good career, while staying in Holland and helping out Queen Beatrix.

 

[Grandma828]

To each his own.

 

[cepe]

"chose for herself what she wanted"

Well, yes. She clearly doesn't want to bother with all this royalty stuff and is happy to leave her sister to deal with it. I thought siblings helped each other out, supported each other, etc.. Victoria, one day in the hopefully distant future, is going to be Queen Regnant of Sweden. It might be nice for her to have a sister around for moral support, for someone in addition to her husband to talk to as a way to vent all the stuff she won't be able to say in public, and maybe to help with the royal chores that will fall on her when she is Queen.

If Madeleine doesn't want to do that, sure, she's entitled to choose the life of a wealthy hedge fund manager's wife in New York. And I am also entitled to have my own feelings about her and that choice. Let's just say I prefer Princess Margriet of the Netherlands and her husband, who somehow managed to get married, have a good life together, Pieter Van Vollenhoven had a good career, while staying in Holland and helping out Queen Beatrix.

I agree you are entitled to your opinion but, to be fair, it would help if you compared like with like. Pieter and Margriet are both Dutch and supported the Dutch RF. Very different from Madeleine living and working in the US and now marrying an American.

And I get the impression that Victoria and Madeleine are not close - Madeleine has been away for over 3 years. But that's just an impression and I could be wrong.

 

[NGalitzine]

The difference would be that Margriet, unlike 2 of her sisters, is a Dutch princess who lived in The Netherlands and married a Dutchman. Madeleine is Swedish princess who lives in the US and is marrying an Anglo-American.
If Victoria needs support from a sibling she has her year younger brother who seems likely to marry a Swedish woman and live in Sweden.

 

[camelot23ca]

"chose for herself what she wanted"

Well, yes. She clearly doesn't want to bother with all this royalty stuff and is happy to leave her sister to deal with it. I thought siblings helped each other out, supported each other, etc.. Victoria, one day in the hopefully distant future, is going to be Queen Regnant of Sweden. It might be nice for her to have a sister around for moral support, for someone in addition to her husband to talk to as a way to vent all the stuff she won't be able to say in public, and maybe to help with the royal chores that will fall on her when she is Queen

The last few years have probably been very clarifying for Madeleine, with the breakup of her prior engagement and especially with Victoria's marriage and the birth of Estelle. Madeleine no doubt knows what kind of a life she could expect to lead in Sweden as a supporting royal. Do too little and she'd be accused of wasting the tax payers' money. Take on too much and she'd be accused of trying to upstage the sainted, (but much less photogenic), Victoria and Daniel.

Madeleine can lead a much more free, much more anonymous life in New York. She'll have all the benefits that wealth and social prominence bring but won't have to constantly watch her step and worry about how her actions will be perceived by the public.