Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania

[Duc_et_Pair]

The problem with Karina Medforth-Mills is, seeing what "happened" to her brother, has she still interest? The problem with Elisabeth Biarneix is that she is the daughter of an unwanted and unsuitable spouse to her mother.

For that reason the marriage was seen as undynastical. She once was not in the line of succession at all, then became initially Number 9 but has now climbed to Number 5 thanks to King Michael's hocus-pocus. When Karina says no, I am curious to see what Elisabeth will do.

1 Princess Margareta
2 Princess Elena
Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills
3 Miss Karina Medforth-Mills
Princess Irina
Mr Michael Kreuger
Miss Angelica Kreuger
4 Princess Sophia
5 Miss Elizabeth Biarneix
6 Princess Maria

[eya]

But we know really what "happen" with Nicolae? From this depend and the interest of Karina. And Elizabeth she was very young only 18 years old i find difficult to make this choice . My god i say it again complex.

[Cory]

The royalists represent even today more than 30% of the population and many of them understand the only solution could be to ask the Hohenzollerns to accept to become Pretenders after King Michael.

It is important to save the chances of the restoration of Monarchy.

[eya]

I have the feeling that this would not like very much the king Mihai.

I believe that at the moment things in succession will stay as they are. We can not know whether Hohenzollerns interested but definitely the King Mihai does not care for them. This clearly showed the change in the line of succession did in 2007. Surely the King prefers his own descendant for successors of the dynasty. Unknown are the intentions of Margarita when you become the head of the dynasty.

[MAfan]

I would be really cursious to see that the answer and the reactions to such a proposal would be. I'm not sure either of them would be so much positive.

[Al_bina]

What chances? Your earlier posts seemed to indicate the imminence of the restoration because of high support among common people and politicians. You are pointing out an importance to save the chances now. King Michael himself torpedoed the real chance.

[MAfan]

I tend to agree with you Al_bina. Also I wonder how useful could be to save the chance of the restoration just for the sake of saving it, since now it doesn't seem that there isn't anymore a real possibility of the restoration.

[Cory]

For many Romanians Monarchy represents the tradition and the identity of the country. The restoration of Monarchy could be done without the descendants of King Michael.

[Duc_et_Pair]

I agree with that. If you can make people accept a Swiss-born British young man as a public figure from the former royal house, I fail to see why a Prince from the very same dynasty as the King and his daughters, would be more difficult. I feel the view of the people here is blurred by the fact they "know" Nicholas, who seems a nice man. They have no idea about Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern, now reading Economics at university, and so he is suddenly "impossible" or something. Alexander von Hohenzollern is not more or less impossible than his Swiss/British cousin. In any way he has the royal Constitution and the Family Pact at his side and not King Michael's daily whims.

[fearghas]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I agree with that. If you can make people accept a Swiss-born British young man as a public figure from the former royal house, I fail to see why a Prince from the very same dynasty as the King and his daughters, would be more difficult. I feel the view of the people here is blurred by the fact they "know" Nicholas, who seems a nice man. They have no idea about Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern, now reading Economics at university, and so he is suddenly "impossible" or something. Alexander von Hohenzollern is not more or less impossible than his Swiss/British cousin. In any way he has the royal Constitution and the Family Pact at his side and not King Michael's daily whims.

I disagree. Nicholas was the Grandson of the last King and descended from 3 of the four monarchs. Prince Alexander has no descent from any of the monarchs and his family has never had anything to do with Roumania, either now or in the past.
Personally I think it is time to leave the Roumanian Monarchy behind. Let Princess Margarita continue to do what she is doing, very capabally and decently but once she is gone, without a suitable heir, leave the monarchy in the history books.

[MAfan]

I'd also add to what Fearghas has just written that Nicolae was strongly sponsored and supported by two well known, esteemed, respected and trusted persons in Romania, who are King Michael and Crown Princess Margarita, while I fail to see such a support to the Hohenzollerns.
Equally Nicolae showed a great interest and commitment in Romania, while the Hohenzollerns doesn't seem to have them (or if they have some interest they certainly do not show it).

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by MAfan

I'd also add to what Fearghas has just written that Nicolae was strongly sponsored and supported by two well known, esteemed, respected and trusted persons in Romania, who are King Michael and Crown Princess Margarita, while I fail to see such a support to the Hohenzollerns.
Equally Nicolae showed a great interest and commitment in Romania, while the Hohenzollerns doesn't seem to have them (or if they have some interest they certainly do not show it).

As long as the former head of state of Romania is around, which is King Michael, it is with him and his family the Romanians have to deal. And of course the relationship became sour when the current Fürst, Prince Carl Friedrich dismissed Radu Duda's Hohenzollern title as "a farce" and blamed his fellow Hohenzollern Prince (King Michael) for letting this happen.

The current Fürst shows little interest in Romania: what can he do? He does not "fit" in King Michael's "perspective" for the Royal House. His son, the Hereditary Prince Alexander seems busy with fighting conglomerates who want to destroy rain forests to grow palmolive trees instead. (He is an activistic member of Rettet den Regenwald and with that he does show he has commitment for cases which are close to his heart).

When Prince Alexander was introduced and supported in the same way as Nicholas Medforth-Mills I fail to see why this promising young man could not have had the same profile as Nicholas.

[MAfan]

I don't think nor say that, if Alexander were introduced and supported as Nicholas has been in the past years, then he couldn't have the same profile as Nicholas. I don't think (and never said) that Alexander Hohenzollern can't be enough committed and promising as Nicholas.
Just, I think that there is a large difference between their situations.
Nicholas had the immediate and strong support of King Michael and Princess Margarita. This allowed him to have soon some visibilty. He quickly became rather popular and appreciated, partly for sure for his work and committment, but I'm sure also partly (and necessarily) due to the support he got from two respected and appreciated public figures in Romania.
Prince Alexander of Hohenzollern seems not to have any such support. Probably if he moved to Romania, learnt Romanian and engaged himself in various activities and charities in Romania he could became as popular as Nicholas, but it would take a far longer time due to the lack of visibility that Nicholas had thanks to the Royal Family.

My point is not that the Hohenzollerns aren't good enough for successfully becoming the claimants to the Romanian throne, but that they don't have the same visibilty and support that (some of) King Michael's descendants have.
And also I don't think that they will have it in the coming years. After King Michael's death his natural successor will appear to be Princess Margarita and not an unknown German distant cousin.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Someone has to start somewhere. Karina Medforth-Mills and Elizabeth Biarneix are possible even unknown as Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern but these two ladies are in line of succession. Nicholas Medforth-Mills also only became more known to the public when the royal family started to go out with him and actively promoted his visibility.

Nicholas and Karina as well their cousine Elizabeth were never in the line of succession until their grandfather King Michael changed it. Prince Alexander was always in the line of succession (and still is, depending which document is take more au sérieux) until King Michael had the luminous idea to scrap his Hohenzollern relatives.

[Benjamin]

Article 77 of the Constitution of 1923 requires that the successor be Eastern Orthodox.

Ergo, from a legitimist point of view, there are no Hohenzollern princes eligible to succeed the King.

[fearghas]

Enough already. This thread is getting tiresome. People have taken a side and are simply repeating themselves and no one is going to change their mind. Until there is something new to say let it rest.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Article 77 of the Constitution of 1923 requires that the successor be Eastern Orthodox.

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To quote Henri IV: "Paris vaut bien une Messe!" (Paris is well worth a Mass!).



And please explain what makes Carl Friedrich von Hohenzollern or his son Alexander unsuitable in the eyes of legitimists?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by MAfan

I don't think nor say that, if Alexander were introduced and supported as Nicholas has been in the past years, then he couldn't have the same profile as Nicholas. I don't think (and never said) that Alexander Hohenzollern can't be enough committed and promising as Nicholas.
Just, I think that there is a large difference between their situations.
Nicholas had the immediate and strong support of King Michael and Princess Margarita. This allowed him to have soon some visibilty. He quickly became rather popular and appreciated, partly for sure for his work and committment, but I'm sure also partly (and necessarily) due to the support he got from two respected and appreciated public figures in Romania.
Prince Alexander of Hohenzollern seems not to have any such support. Probably if he moved to Romania, learnt Romanian and engaged himself in various activities and charities in Romania he could became as popular as Nicholas, but it would take a far longer time due to the lack of visibility that Nicholas had thanks to the Royal Family.

My point is not that the Hohenzollerns aren't good enough for successfully becoming the claimants to the Romanian throne, but that they don't have the same visibilty and support that (some of) King Michael's descendants have.
And also I don't think that they will have it in the coming years. After King Michael's death his natural successor will appear to be Princess Margarita and not an unknown German distant cousin.

The support for King Michael's Family is largely diminished after what happened.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

To quote Henri IV: "Paris vaut bien une Messe!" (Paris is well worth a Mass!).



And please explain what makes Carl Friedrich von Hohenzollern or his son Alexander unsuitable in the eyes of legitimists?

For the Romanian legitimists only the Hohenzollerns represent the future of Monarchy. More and more royalists think of the Hohenzzolerns but none of the royalists Association said anything official regarding Succession of King Micharl after what happened in august.

[Duc_et_Pair]

I have the same idea like you: Legitimists are people whom follow a legalistic way. This means that Prince Carl Friedrich and Prince Alexander are the legitime successors of King Michael but apparently -according Benjamin - the Legitimists have problems with these two. Why?