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07-24-2021, 02:11 PM
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The Holy Roman Empire never had an Empress Regnant or a Protestant Emperor elected even after Reformation.
Maria Theresa could not be elected Holy Roman Empress but her husband Francis was elected as Emperor.
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Towards the end of the Empire, how many electors were Protestant? I never fully understood why the ruler of the Habsburg lands (or, in Maria Theresa's case, her husband) was always elected the Holy Roman Emperor. Could you explain?
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07-24-2021, 03:27 PM
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07-29-2021, 04:51 AM
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Towards the end of the Empire, how many electors were Protestant? I never fully understood why the ruler of the Habsburg lands (or, in Maria Theresa's case, her husband) was always elected the Holy Roman Emperor. Could you explain?
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Not always the Habsburgs were elected emperors. For example, after the death of Charles VI and the extinction of the original house of Habsburg in male line, before Maria Theres'a husband, Francis of Lorraine, became emperor with the support of his wife, a Bavarian prince from the House of Wittelsbach, Elector-Duke Charles Albert of Bavaria, was elected. He contested the Habsburgs' heritage with Maria Theresa and her husband. He gained enough support among the electors of the time, three of whom, including himself, were Wittelsbachs. Additionally, the French persuaded the electors of Brandenburg (Hohenzollerns) and Saxony (Wettins) to support the Bavarian. Charles Albert's candidacy was even stronger considering he succeeded in opening a dispute with Maria Theresa over her rights to Bohemia, which was also an electorate (in December 1741, shortly before the election took place in Frankfurt in February 1742, Charles Albert was even crowned King of Bohemia after conquering the country). Maria Theresa thus could not be considered at the election as neither an eligible candidate nor elector as her Bohemian throne was temporarily lost and officially denied. In effect, the Bavarian was elected and crowned emperor. Charles VII, as became known, shortly afterwards eventually lost Bohemia and the Austrians took revenge in invading Bavaria. The Emperor died in 1745 and his son and successor, Maximilian III Joseph, quickly made peace with Maria Theresa, promising his support for the election of Francis.
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07-29-2021, 06:09 AM
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Wouldn't the Habsburgs have had the most Emperors among all other Imperial candidates?
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07-29-2021, 09:31 AM
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In the early 16th century, Henry VIII and Francois I both wanted to be elected Holy Roman Emperor - if they were around today, they would definitely be the sort of young men who are always doing "mine's bigger than yours" by getting the flashiest sports cars and so on - but Charles V had a bigger purse than theirs and offered bigger bribes! After that, no-one else seems to have seriously challenged the Habsburgs, except in Maria Theresa's case when there wasn't a male heir. I suppose everyone was more interested in their own lands.
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07-29-2021, 09:46 AM
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The Habsburgs were the premier family of both the Holy Roman Empire and of Catholic Europe for centuries. The only family that rivaled them were the Capetingians of France. Other families such as the houses of Wittelsbach and Brabant (Hessen) did not come close to their status and influence in spite of being more ancient and longer reigning. Their claim to the Imperial crown was founded both on tradition, their wealth and them being the most powerful family not only in the Empire but for a long time in Europe and the world.
In fact a large part of the claim of Charles VII lay in him being the grandson and son-in-law of Habsburg emperors. This coupled with a desire to divide the Habsburg lands and a disdain for the Pragmatic sanction led to the other great powers of Europe supporting him.
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07-29-2021, 10:25 AM
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In the early 16th century, Henry VIII and Francois I both wanted to be elected Holy Roman Emperor
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Louise de Savoie mother of Francois Ier almost bankrupted France in her attempts at working behind the scenes to have her son elected HRE .
Henry VIII going up against his nephew in law Charles V must have made interesting family politics!
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03-05-2022, 11:30 AM
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When Sigismund was Holy Roman Emperor from 1433 to 1437, there were two rival Popes, one in Italy and one in France. Eventually there was the emergence of a third Pope. As protector of the Church, Sigismund was instrumental in bringing about the Council of Constance. The Council resolved the question of papal legitimacy.
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03-05-2022, 04:49 PM
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Why did Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II reverse his father Maximilian II's tolerant policy toward Protestantism?
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At that time the two factions, the Protestants and Roman Catholics factions were destabilizing the political institutions
Therefore, by reversing his fathers policy of tolerance he sought to limit the influence of the Protestant nobles and representatives
Rudolf was unsuccessful and as a result the Habsburg archdukes had him entrust the matters of the empire to his brother Matthias. Of course, Matthias did not gain the Hungarian Crown until his brother's death in 1612
However, his support of the Catholic revival lead to further Protestant resistance and in 1618 the Bohemian Revolt became the first act that would mark the beginning of the Thirty Year's War
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10-21-2022, 08:26 PM
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On October 21, 1555 Holy Roman Emperor Charles V made Erard of Pallandt Earl of Culemborg.
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12-24-2022, 09:17 PM
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On December 25, 800 Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne Holy Roman Emperor.
On December 25, 1046 Pope Clement VI crowned Henry III as Holy Roman Emperor.
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12-24-2022, 09:52 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if Francis II hadn’t disbanded the Holy Roman Empire when Napoleon was invading?
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01-21-2023, 11:33 AM
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A number of electors were opposed to the election of Leopold I as Holy Roman Emperor.
The traditional Habsburg claim to the emperorship was challenged by France.
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01-27-2023, 09:47 AM
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A number of electors were opposed to the election of Leopold I as Holy Roman Emperor.
The traditional Habsburg claim to the emperorship was challenged by France.
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And in the end he was the second longest-ruling Holy Roman Emperor with a reign of over 46 Years.
18 July 1658 – 5 May 1705
His reign saw the major gains against the Ottomans in Europe.
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05-16-2023, 09:18 PM
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List monarchs of Holy Roman Emperors/ King of the Romans
The Holy Roman Emperor, originally and officially the Emperor of the Romans during the Middle Ages, and also known as the German-Roman Emperor since the early modern period, was the ruler and head of state of the Holy Roman Empire. The title was held in conjunction with the title of king of Italy (Rex Italiae) from the 8th to the 16th century, and, almost without interruption, with the title of king of Germany (Rex Teutonicorum, lit. “King of the Teutons”) throughout the 12th to 18th centuries.
King of the Romans (Latin: Rex Romanorum; German: König der Römer) was the title used by the king of Germany following his election by the princes from the reign of Henry II (1002–1024) onward.
The title originally referred to any German king between his election until his being crowned Emperor by the Pope.
- Charlemagne (Charles I) (800-814) m. 1.Desiderata 2.Hildegard of Vinzgouw 3.Fastrada 4.Luitgard
- Louis the Pious (813-840) m. 1.Ermengarde of Hesbaye 2.Judith of Bavaria
- Lothair I (823-855) m. Ermengarde of Tours
- Louis II (855-875) m. Engelberga
- Charles II, the Bald (875-877) m. 1.Ermentrude of Orleans 2.Richilde of Provence
- Charles III, the Fat (881-888) m. Richardis of Swabia
- Guy III of Spoleto (891-894) m. Ageltrude
- Lambert (891-898)
- Arnulph (896-899) m. 1.Ota 2.Oda of West Francia 3.Vinburge
- Louis III, the Blind (901-905) m. 1.Anna of Constantinople 2.Adelaide
- Berengar I (915-924) m. 1.Bertila of Spoleto 2. Anna of Provence
- Otto I (936-973) m. 1.Eadgyth of England 2.Adelaide of Italy
- Otto II (973-983) m. Theophanu
- Otto III (983-1002)
- Henry II (1002-1024) m. Cunigunde of Luxembourg
- Conrad II (1024-1039) m. Gisela of Swabia
- Henry III (1028-1056) m. 1Gunhilda of Denmark 2.Agnes of Poitou
- Henry IV (1054-1106) m. 1.Bertha of Savoy 2.Eupraxia of Kiev
- Conrad (III) (Roman King 1087–1098) m. Maximilla (Matilda)
- Henry V (1099-1125) m. Matilda of England
- Lothair II (1125-1137) m. Richenza of Northeim
- Henry Berengar (Roman King 1147-1150)
- Friedrich I (1155-1190) (Roman King 1152) m. 1.Adelheid of Vohburg 2.Beatrice I, Countess of Burgundy
- Heinrich VI (1191-1197) (Roman King 1169; King of Sicily 1194) m. Constance I of Sicily
- Philipp (1198-1208) (Duke of Swabia; Roman King) m. Irene Angelina
- Otto IV (1209 -1218) (Roman King 1198) m. 1.Beatrice of Hohenstaufen 2.Maria of Brabant
- Friedrich II (1220-1250) (King of Sicily 1197; Roman King 1212) m. 1.Constance of Aragon 2.Isabella II of Jerusalem 3.Isabella of England
- Henry (VII) (Roman King 1220–1235) m. Margaret of Austria
- Conrad IV (1237-1254) (Roman King; King of Sicily 1250) m. Elisabeth of Bavaria
- Wilhelm (1254-1256) (Count of Holland; Roman King) m. Elisabeth of Brunswick-Lüneburg
- Richard (1256-1272) (Earl of Cornwall; Roman King) m. 1.Isabel Marshal 2.Sanchia of Provence 3.Beatrice of Falkenburg
- Rudolf I (1273-1291) (Count of Hapsburg 1240; Roman King) m. 1.Gertrude of Hohenberg 2.Isabella of Burgundy
- Adolf (1292-1298) (Count of Nassau 1276; Roman King) m. Imagina of Isenburg-Limburg
- Albrecht I (1298-1308) (Duke of Austria 1282; Roman King) m. Elizabeth of Carinthia
- Heinrich VII (1308-1313) (Count of Luxemburg 1288) m. Margaret of Brabant
- Friedrich (III) (1314-1330) (Duke of Austria 1308; Roman King) m. Isabella of Aragon
- Ludwig IV (1314-1347) (Duke of Bavaria) m. 1.Beatrix of Świdnica 2.Margaret II, Countess of Holland
- Karl IV (1355-1378) (Roman King & King of Bohemia 1346) m. 1.Blanche of Valois 2.Anne of Bavaria 3.Anna von Schweidnitz 4.Elizabeth of Pomerania
- Wenzel (IV) (1376-1400) (Roman King; King of Bohemia 1378) m. 1.Joanna of Bavaria 2.Sophia of Bavaria
- Rupert (Roman King 1400-1410) m. Elisabeth of Hohenzollern
- Jobst of Moravia (Roman King 1410-1411) m. 1.Elisabeth of Opole 2.Agnes of Opole
- Sigismund (1433-1437) (King of Hungary 1387; Roman King 1411; King of Bohemia 1419) m. 1.Mary, Queen of Hungary 2.Barbara of Celje
- Albrecht II (1438-1439) (King of Bohemia & Hungary 1437; Roman King) m. Elizabeth of Luxembourg
- Friedrich III (1440-1493) (Archduke of Austria 1458) m. Eleanor of Portugal
- Maximilian I (1493-1519) (Roman King 1486) m. 1.Mary, Duchess of Burgundy 2.Anne, Duchess of Brittany 3.Bianca Maria Sforza
- Karl V (1519-1556) (King {as Carlos I} of Spain 1516; Roman King 1519) m. Isabella of Portugal
- Ferdinand I (1556-1564) (King of Bohemia & Hungary 1526) m. Anne of Bohemia and Hungary
- Maximilian II (1564-1576) m. Maria of Austria
- Rudolf II (1576-1612)
- Matthias (1612-1619) (King of Hungary 1608; King of Bohemia 1611) m. Anna of Tyrol
- Ferdinand II (1619-1637) m. 1.Maria Anna of Bavaria 2.Eleonora Gonzaga
- Ferdinand III (1637-1657) m. 1.Maria Anna of Austria 2.Maria Leopoldine of Austria 3.Eleonora Gonzaga
- Ferdinand IV (1653-1654) (King of Bohemia 1646; Roman King)
- Leopold I (1657-1705) m. 1.Margaret Theresa of Austria 2.Claudia Felicitas of Austria 3.Eleonore Magdalene of Neuburg
- Joseph I (1705-1711) (King of Bohemia 1690) m. Wilhelmine Amalie of Brunswick
- Karl VI (1711-1740) m. Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick
- Karl VII (1742-1745) (Elector of Bavaria 1726) m. Maria Amalia of Austria
- Maria Theresa (1745-1780) (Queen of Bohemia & Hungary) m. Francis III Stephen, Duke of Lorraine
- Franz I (1745-1765) (Duke of Lorraine 1729) m. Maria Theresa of Austria
- Joseph II (1765-1790) m. 1.Princess Isabella of Parma 2.Maria Josepha of Bavaria
- Leopold II (1790-1792) (Grand Duke of Tuscany 1765) m. Maria Luisa of Spain
- Franz II/I (1792-1806) (Emperor of Austria 1804; abdicated as Holy Roman Emperor 1806) m. 1.Elisabeth of Württemberg 2.Maria Teresa of Naples and Sicily 3.Maria Ludovika Beatrix of Modena 4.Caroline Augusta of Bavaria
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05-17-2023, 05:42 AM
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 It is interesting to note that Ferdinand IV had a coronation in Ratisbon in 1653 but did not live to succeed his father.
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05-17-2023, 06:18 AM
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 It is interesting to note that Ferdinand IV had a coronation in Ratisbon in 1653 but did not live to succeed his father.
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Ferdinand was crowned King of the Romans as the Imperial heir and not Holy Roman Emperor.
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06-01-2023, 07:09 PM
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In 1508 Maximilian I took the title Elected Holy Roman Emperor. He had the assent of Pope Julius II. This was suppose to end the custom that the Holy Roman Emperor had to be crowned by the Pope.
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