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Old 04-20-2018, 02:02 PM
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Opinions by royal watchers on 5 years K.W-A, "he's at his best with ordinary people"
https://www.nu.nl/weekend/5231306/wi...j-zn-best.html
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:37 AM
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A poll concerning popularity of the dutch royals is held by tv show "Eenvandaag". King W-A's popularity is rising every year he is on the throne
https://www.rd.nl/opinie/commentaar/...volk-1.1484021
(can't seem to Google translate it...will see if there's another site with details available.

85% of people polled think he does a good job (up from 82% in 2017 and 75% in 2016)

Q.Maxima is still the most popular member of the RF, closely followed by K.W-A and joined in 3rd place P.Beatrix and Mr.Pieter van Vollenhoven

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in the traditional King's day poll
https://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf2018...over-de-koning

it is mentioned that 73% of the polled is satisfied with how the King does his job. 25% thinks he does a better job than his mother, former Q.Beatrix
75% is satisfied or very satisfied with how Q.Maxima does her job

Cost and salary of the King is still a thorny subject, 70% of people polled the royal house should have to explain how money is spend (same % as last year)
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A poll concerning popularity of the dutch royals is held by tv show "Eenvandaag". King W-A's popularity is rising every year he is on the throne
https://www.rd.nl/opinie/commentaar/...volk-1.1484021
(can't seem to Google translate it...will see if there's another site with details available.

85% of people polled think he does a good job (up from 82% in 2017 and 75% in 2016)

Q.Maxima is still the most popular member of the RF, closely followed by K.W-A and joined in 3rd place P.Beatrix and Mr.Pieter van Vollenhoven
That poll was held under 25.000 respondents of the current affairs program (not show) Een Vandaag (One Today) of NPO 1 (the Dutch equivalent of BBC One). For a poll that is a huge number of respondents, so it is a reliable outcome indeed.
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Do you think support for the Dutch Royal Family is higher among older people than younger or it is totally unrelated to age?

The reason I ask this is that my mom lives in a long term care home (nursing home) that is in a complex here in Canada with senior apartments that is managed by a Dutch Canadian association. The majority of residents in the long term care home aren't Dutch heritage (like our family) because they are selected by need by our province but the majority of seniors living in the seniors apartments are Dutch and proud of their Dutch heritage (this month they are having celebrations for Liberation Day.). They seem to be very attached to the Dutch Royal Family and they have a number of pictures of the Dutch Royal Family on display (and last summer Princess Margriet visited them).

Not being Dutch, when I saw the pictures, I first thought they were of the British Royal Family (and surprised because you don't see them very often anymore although when I've worked in school here, I occasionally see old portraits of QEII stuck in a lobby.) Looking at them more closely, I realized, no of course, they are of the Dutch Royal family (Queen Juliana, Queen Beatrix and King Willem-Alexander).
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Probably slightly higher among older people and especially popular among the reformed Christians in the Netherlands. 'God, Fatherland and Orange' (God, Vaderland en Oranje) is a well-known saying.
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Probably slightly higher among older people and especially popular among the reformed Christians in the Netherlands. 'God, Fatherland and Orange' (God, Vaderland en Oranje) is a well-known saying.
Thanks for the reply - that explains it. This Dutch Canadian association is associated with the Dutch Reform church. (Although not Dutch or a member of Reform church, my mom attended a Dutch Reform college in the USA as an undergrad so she was fairly comfortable with this assocation. I know that the names of the churches vary between Canada and the US.)
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Probably slightly higher among older people and especially popular among the reformed Christians in the Netherlands. 'God, Fatherland and Orange' (God, Vaderland en Oranje) is a well-known saying.
Does that also explain the resistance of some members of the public to the marriages with Catholics in the royal family while the Netherlands had no state church and Catholics were, if my recollection is correct, en route to displacing Protestants as the largest denomination?

By the way, were the children of Prince Maurits and Princess Marilène baptized/ raised as Protestants or Catholics?
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They were christened in the Our Lady of the Holy Rosary church in the Jacob Obrechtstraat here in Amsterdam. It is a catholic church, they were baptized by a catholic priest while the protestant vicar looked on. I suspect this means they are catholic, though we never got a confirmation about the matter.

I do remember that during the wedding of Maurits and Marilene, Princess Juliana took the hostia, which caused a small outrage among Protestants and Catholics alike. Members of the orthodox protestant party SGP still voted against the wedding of Maurits and Marilene, due to Marilene's religion. I do not believe this was repeated for the crown prince though.

The house of Orange is closely associated with protestantism and has been for centuries. in case of conflict usually siding with 'the people' against the authorities. For example: stadholder Maurits siding with the contra remonstrants against the remonstrants (many of whom were regents) or the support for the Aprilmovement by king Willem III against the institution of catholic bishoprics in the country, which caused the government to resign.

Of course the royal family is more mundaine than most orthodox protestants, so that can cause criticism every now and than. In the 30-ties CPss Juliana was critisized for using her new yacht, the Piet Hein, on sundays. And up to the early 2000s I would read criticism about official activities planned on a Sunday.
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Thank you for the answers. It is interesting that the orthodox Protestant party voted against the marriage of Maurits and Marilène but not the more important marriage of Willem-Alexander and Máxima.
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I would always have though the Dutch Royal Family would be very popular with the Dutch Reformed/Calvinist Church given the historic links with the House of Orange and the Calvinism.

Roman Catholics on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish
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I would always have though the Dutch Royal Family would be very popular with the Dutch Reformed/Calvinist Church given the historic links with the House of Orange and the Calvinism.

Roman Catholics on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish
No,not here.We do not have that medieval divide in denominations any longer,not since decades.
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No,not here.We do not have that medieval divide in denominations any longer,not since decades.
Ofcourse we have, there's a distinct difference between roman catholics and the various type of protestant faiths
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Thank you for the answers. It is interesting that the orthodox Protestant party voted against the marriage of Maurits and Marilène but not the more important marriage of Willem-Alexander and Máxima.
The SGP which voted against the Bill of Consent concerning the marriage of Prince Maurits, approved the Bill of Consent concerning the marriage of the Prince of Orange.

Reason: the fiancée of the Prince, Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti, made known that she was studying Protestantism. The Prince stated that the Orange-Nassaus have a Protestant tradition and that the couple agreed their eventual children would be raised as Protestants indeed.

For the SGP this was enough to vote for the Bill of Consent. In the end Princess Máxima, despite her sfudy of Protestantism, despite her Protestant husband and children, remained faithful to the Church of Rome.
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Indeed, at the time it was hoped that the then crown princess would convert. She never did. The princesses were/are raised as protestants, which I suppose would have been the main concern.

The support for the royal family among orthodox protestants is still high, though the royal family seems more open minded in their faith. The vicars they chose for weddings, baptisms and funerals are known to be more free-thinking. Queen Juliana even selected a female vicar to lead her funeral service. It was noted that the king organised bible study evenings with friends, as was revealed by Ds Carel ter Linden. Former Queen Beatrix is a regular chrurch goer, as claimed in the biography of Jutta Chorus of the NRC Handelsblad. Her late husband struggled with his belief in God, as was noted during his funeral by his friend -and former catholic priest- Huub Oosterhuis.

The newspaper Reformatorisch Dagblad -popular among orthtodox christians- did write some critical articles about the then crown princely couple in the late 2000s, around the time that the crown prince was criticized by the chairman of the orange associations for his jetset lifestyle. The criticism mainly focussed on flamboyance and even the clothing style of Pss Maxima IIRC. It is however the only newspaper with a seperate news section on their main page for the royal family. Many of the most loyal ‘fans’ of the RF, who often show up in the public when royals attend official functions, will be from a orthodox protestant background.

Queen Wilhelmina was rather strict in her faith for a long time -or so it seemed-and as monarch this played a big part in her private life. Though later in life she became interested in eucomanial and spiritual matters, as we can read in her erratic authobiography ‘Lonely but not alone’. It was said that she and her husband bonded towards the end of his life due to their interest in Soendar Singh and the occult. An interest that the kaiser Wilhelm II - shared.

In general the religion of the royal family is now considered a private matter. This perhaps is the reason why it was decided not to play any religious hymns during the inauguration of king Willem-Alexander, a novelty.
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Popularity of the dutch monarchy among young people (18-34) has decreased from 70% in 2007 to 55% at present. This is one of the results of the annual poll (always held sometime near the King's day celebration)
https://nos.nl/artikel/2280446-jonge...er-zitten.html

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It seems that the highest popularity remains with among the older Dutch people at around 80% as per that article.
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Popularity of the dutch monarchy among young people (18-34) has decreased from 70% in 2007 to 55% at present. This is one of the results of the annual poll (always held sometime near the King's day celebration)
https://nos.nl/artikel/2280446-jonge...er-zitten.html

google translated
Interesting.

I wonder if it's a "fashion thing" among the young these days. I.e. right now it's "fashion" to if not critical of the monarchy then at least see it as irrelevant - in principle...
I also find it interesting the money is cited as a major reservation against the monarchy.
It's my experience that outside recessions, young people are not that concerned about the economic aspects of what they are against - that comes later when they get established with job, career, house and children.

How were the question phrased? And who were asked?
If it's mainly young people from high schools and universities it's almost a part of the territory to be "progressive" and at least "in principle" be against a seemingly anachronistic institution as the monarchy.

Also, will that change when the Princesses grow up and start working?
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It is a bit indecisive because the support for a republic in the same poll is 14-15%. So the youngsters think the monarchy is oldfashioned and "too expensive" but if they have to chose for a republic: no thanks.

Note that the personal popularity of the King and Queen and their rapport is very good. So once again, as is often confused by many, also on this forum: personal popularity is NOT the same as having a favourr for a hereditary monarchy as a form of state.
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They can not do much about it. The King and the Queen are very popular and have a good rapport. The trick is to convince that a hereditary monarchy is the best form of state. I applaud the Dutch youngsters for having an independent mind and an own opinion. It would be worrisome if youngsters think that a hereditary monarchy is perfectly normal and the best for a country.

At the same time the support for a republic is nowhere. So I interpret this as unease. A monarchy is a strange institution and does this fit in a modern state and should it cost that much? At the same time they see no need to overturn it and call for a republic. Probably because the idea of one of those Dutch politicians as a president is less appealing than leaving the King and Queen (who enjoy great popularity and a good rapport) where they are, despite the doubt about the institution.
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I think that monarchy is a much better form of government than the republic. A king dedicates himself to his country much better than a president. For a king it is a mission. For a president, his job is just an ambition.
I love the idea of a royal family having a mission to represent their country and to have a "special role" in their country.
It is interesting to see how each royal family adapts to the evolution of the times.
Everything may change in the country, but the royal family is still there.
I love that my neighboring country (Spain) has restored its monarchy.
I am sad that my country (Portugal) abolished its monarchy in 1910. I have hope of a day to see it restored.
I will always be a monarchist.
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