General News about the Sussex Family, Part Three: August-September 2020


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Given the current public health emergency, it is reasonable for Harry to avoid international travel in the near future, which, I suppose, is his excuse for "not going to Britain, unless absolutely necessary".

I wouldn't read too much into it (yet). In fact, I wonder if it is even safe to have the polo match under current conditions. Personally, I think the event should have been called off.
 
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Harry probably won't bother to go. Nevertheless, polo matches at which he and/or his brother have played for charities have invariably brought large crowds, notice to their causes and millions of pounds/dollars in donations on each occasion.
 
Times are different at present. I can't imagine why anyone would expect him to travel for a cut back charity event when Covid is still raging in the US...
 
Given the current public health emergency, it is reasonable for Harry to avoid international travel in the near future, which, I suppose, is his excuse for "not going to Britain, unless absolutely necessary".

I wouldn't read too much into it (yet). In fact, I wonder if it is even safe to have the polo match under current conditions. Personally, I think the event should have been called off.

This^^^

If Harry was in the UK this would be a different story but given that he is in a different country and a global pandemic, I think there is no reason for him to be there
 
Would not surprise if they went back to the UK for a short time.

1. They made it clear that they would continue to work with their charities despite no longer being senior members of the royal family. To their credit, the couple has continued to do so stateside. However, I am sure their charities would be happy to have them participate in a "home" project/event.

2. The Queen has made it clear that Harry and Meghan are her beloved family members. She didn't mince words. So it wouldn't be surprising to see the couple at *family* events such as Trooping the Color.

3. I recall many royal watchers (even a few here) predicting that the couple would receive major public backlash for their "final tour of duty". In reality it was just the opposite. People came out cheering them and they got decent press coverage.
 
Would not surprise if they went back to the UK for a short time.

1. They made it clear that they would continue to work with their charities despite no longer being senior members of the royal family. To their credit, the couple has continued to do so stateside. However, I am sure their charities would be happy to have them participate in a "home" project/event.

2. The Queen has made it clear that Harry and Meghan are her beloved family members. She didn't mince words. So it wouldn't be surprising to see the couple at *family* events such as Trooping the Color.

3. I recall many royal watchers (even a few here) predicting that the couple would receive major public backlash for their "final tour of duty". In reality it was just the opposite. People came out cheering them and they got decent press coverage.

1 If charities in the UK are happy to be exploited for the couple's publicity then that's up to them.

2 The reality is that they're polarising figures in Britain. How is that not obvious?

3 This is extrapolating a lot from very little.

I have never known members of the royal family to be so disliked. It's really quite shocking. And they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
You think they are still “beloved” after everything Harry’s wife said about the queens family and country and besides did you really expect the queen to say anything else in public about them of course she’s going to say those things in her public statement. She’s a civilized woman who never washes her family’s dirty laundry in public unlike Harry and his first wife.
 
1 If charities in the UK are happy to be exploited for the couple's publicity then that's up to them.

2 The reality is that they're polarising figures in Britain. How is that not obvious?

3 This is extrapolating a lot from very little.

I have never known members of the royal family to be so disliked. It's really quite shocking. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

I have been wondering exactly what the perception of them in the UK is. I would have guessed that it is what you said. It is very clear they tried to manipulate the situation to their own advantage and disrespected the Queen in the process. I wonder if someday Harry will regret all this.
 
Im not a citizen but my personal feeling is that they should not be on the Commonwealth Trust.

AFAIK, the Queen's Commonwealth Trust was created in 2016 and Prince Harry was notably involved in creating the organization with Sir Christopher Geidt (QE-II's former private secretary), obviously at Her Majesty's behest.

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The important thing to realize is that the QCT was created as a separate entity. The organization references the Queen in its title, but she doesn't have any direct role or authority over the inner workings and everyday management. The QCT has its own management staff along with a Board of Trustees. Keep in mind that Harry was involved in creating the organization and that's why he was named President. Once he's been given the title and responsibility, it can not simply be taken away by any individual person. It is down to the QCT's Board to make decisions of that nature. :D

Just as it would be down to Parliament to make any attempt to actually strip Meghan & Harry of their Sussex titles. They aren't officially using their HRH designations, but they can still use the Sussex honorific titles. I think the British Parliament has more important and weighty matters to concern themselves with on a daily basis.
 
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I have been wondering exactly what the perception of them in the UK is. I would have guessed that it is what you said. It is very clear they tried to manipulate the situation to their own advantage and disrespected the Queen in the process. I wonder if someday Harry will regret all this.

In one of the topics their ratings were recently discussed. Not to do that discussion all over but the gest of it was: Meghan is disliked by more than half of the population, has some who look favorably upon her and another group who doesn't really care. While Harry is still more popular than his wife his ratings dropped significantly.
 
AFAIK, the Queen's Commonwealth Trust was created in 2016 and Prince Harry was notably involved in creating the organization with Sir Christopher Geidt (QE-II's former private secretary), obviously at Her Majesty's behest.

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The important thing to realize is that the QCT was created as a separate entity. The organization references the Queen in its title, but she doesn't have any direct role or authority over the inner workings and everyday management. The QCT has its own management staff along with a Board of Trustees. Keep in mind that Harry was involved in creating the organization and that's why he was named President. Once he's been given the title and responsibility, it can not simply be taken away by any individual person. It is down to the QCT's Board to make decisions of that nature. :D

Just as it would be down to Parliament to make any attempt to actually strip Meghan & Harry of their Sussex titles. They aren't officially using their HRH designations, but they can still use the Sussex honorific titles. I think the British Parliament has more important and weighty matters to concern themselves with on a daily basis.
But he wasn’t named president by the board he was given that role by the queen. And I’ve seen this theory that it was Harry’s gift to the queen only from the Sussex fans I have not seen a legit source to confirm it.
 
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I have been wondering exactly what the perception of them in the UK is. I would have guessed that it is what you said. It is very clear they tried to manipulate the situation to their own advantage and disrespected the Queen in the process. I wonder if someday Harry will regret all this.

We can't know if we don't know Harry personally. I suspect that the Sussexes have been through a great deal of emotional and logistical upheaval during the first years of their marriage, along with the demanding yet happy and fulfilling responsibilities of parenthood. Plus, all of this came after a deeply meaningful romance and courtship of a year-and-a-half that they consistently kept under-the-radar. It's to the Sussexes' credit that their union has only seemed to grow stronger and deeper amidst all of the outside sturm und drang that has surrounded them.

To paraphrase Camilla's famous comment after the Sussexes' engagement, I recently heard this said about the Sussexes' departure from senior royal service: "The U.K.'s loss is America's gain (or re-gain in Meghan's case)." ;)

It's been reported that Harry remains close to his father and to the Queen. Probably, once the pandemic has run its course, the Sussexes will make some trips to the U.K. for family-related events on occasion, and to continue assisting their patronages. They haven't abandoned any of their patronages. As with most of the world, activities, events and business matters are routinely being conducted via online technologies these days. And we are not privy to everything the Sussexes are doing on a daily basis with their current and future goal-oriented endeavors.

But he wasn’t named president by the board he was given that role by the queen. And I’ve seen this theory that it was Harry’s gift to the queen only from the Sussex fans I have not seen a legit source to confirm it.

I'm not sure what your last sentence means exactly. The QCT is not Harry's gift to the Queen. It might be her gift to Harry, but not the other way around.

It doesn't matter if Harry was named to the Presidency of QCT by the Queen. Her Majesty has no direct, day-to-day input or control over the QCT, despite the fact that the organization was created at her behest. The same goes for Sir Christopher Geidt, who was named by the Queen to a direct, full-time managerial role with the organization after he was forced out of his position as the Queen's private secretary (by Andrew's and Charles' courtiers). If the QCT Board wishes to fire and replace Sir Christopher, they could. I doubt there is any reason for that to happen though.

Similarly, I do not see the Board at this juncture, deciding to strip M&H of their substantive roles with the organization. Remember that we do not know anything about the work that the Sussexes are doing behind-the-scenes with the QCT and with their U.K. patronages. What we have been given is a glimpse via two QCT videos, of M&H in conversation with young QCT members around the world.

Meghan & Harry are a busy couple, that's for sure. In view of the pandemic and their house hunting search and eventual purchase, they have certainly been accomplishing a great deal, and not slowing down in the least in terms of their projects. Still, it must be great for them to be able to spend so much core family time together during this 'stay-at-home' phase that's going on worldwide.


For those wishing to discuss the FF book, there's a separate thread available.
 
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After what Meghan said about “coming home” I doubt she’s going back to the UK. Everything she said back then was all an act. But she’s never been a good actor. She never intended to make the UK her home she never intended to stay the course and serve the crown. She was just buying for time. But patience is not her virtue so she left.
 
Scobie is trying to sell his book but they might do this. They need to "revive" their brand by reminding people that they are Royal and Harry is Diana's son. Although with Meghan's latest actions, I think there is a slightly better chance that we will see Camilla's children and grandchildren on the balcony for Trooping than Meghan.

I doubt Camilla's children and grandchildren would appear. I think they like their privacy. One of Camilla's grandchildren was a bridesmaid at Kate and William's wedding. The Queen did say Meghan and Harry were family.
 
I'm not sure whether or not this interesting article from Inside Story was linked here earlier. It relates the fascinating history of the Riven Rock area of Montecito. Santa Barbara and Montecito were part of an undeveloped resort region initially popularized by Charlie Chaplin. The wealthy, Katharine Dexter McCormick, was later instrumental in developing the huge Riven Rock estate for therapeutic and medical research purposes. The original area constitutes a vast swathe of land, of which M&H's current property only comprises 5.4 acres.

The intriguing thing about Katharine McCormick is her commitment to finding a cure for her husband's mental illness, and later, her substantial and significant financial contributions that enabled the scientific research which ultimately produced the first groundbreaking contraceptive birth control pill:
https://insidestory.org.au/with-royalty-at-riven-rock/

Meghan & Harry's house was built in 2003, and is popularly referred to as the 'Chateau of Riven Rock':
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/la-fi-hotprop-montecito-chateau-20150612-story.html

The above source indicates 9 bedrooms and 12.5 bathrooms (not 16 bathrooms as reported elsewhere).

Here's more about the Riven Rock estate and about Charlie Chaplin's influence in advancing interest in Santa Barbara and Montecito:

https://www.montecitoinn.com/history.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riven_Rock,_Montecito


Here are two connected articles in one that discuss the design and construction of M&H's current home by the original owners/builders, Terry Cunningham and his wife Randi, who modeled the design on their love of French Provencal architecture. The house has also been described as 'Tuscan-inspired' in some of its design features:
https://trendswide.com/watch-out-fo...om-designer-of-harry-and-meghans-11m-mansion/

The Cunninghams certainly offered revealing details and insights into the property. They clearly loved building and living in the home where they raised their children, who fondly remember their enjoyment in growing up there. Despite the dangers of natural disasters, the property and the surrounding area offer substantial privacy and a great lifestyle for entertaining friends and enjoying an intimate family life. I suppose living in paradise will always present inherent challenges to balance out the sublime positives.
 
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The Duke and Duchess are getting out and about a bit in their new surrounds.

First going to Hill Top Farm/Santa Barbara Stables in Carpinteria for the backyard chat filming, and now they have been snapped dining outdoors at a restaurant.

Looks like an evening meal rather than lunch with the fairy lights on.

And I got a bit of a shock when it was reported they are expected to spend five months away from Santa Barbara next northern summer. Five months!

But maybe with catch-ups with the Clooneys in Italy and Elton in the South of France sprinkled about, they may well be there that long.

(Invictus in March till the Diana statue unveiling in July.)

And to the poster - sorry a few days ago, can't remember who - asking about friends.

Did you see the reports that the Nonoos have been staying in Santa Barbara these past weeks? They are supposedly looking for a property of their own there.

I think the Royal Couple have a pretty extensive social network, and a lot of it is/will be, centred around their new location.

Very much a lifestyle location - rather than a work location - so lots of socialising to be had.
 
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Note this is not a confirmed deal:

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry to be offered Spotify megadeal for exclusive podcasts
EXCLUSIVE The music streaming platform has already signed up Michelle Obama and hopes for similar success with lifestyle chat from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-prince-harry-offered-22598777

Until Spotify announces a deal, I’m just going to assume that the “sources” are just Meghan letting the world know her wishes and dreams
 
The Duke and Duchess are getting out and about a bit in their new surrounds.

First going to Hill Top Farm/Santa Barbara Stables in Carpinteria for the backyard chat filming, and now they have been snapped dining outdoors at a restaurant.

Looks like an evening meal rather than lunch with the fairy lights on.

And I got a bit of a shock when it was reported they are expected to spend five months away from Santa Barbara next northern summer. Five months!

But maybe with catch-ups with the Clooneys in Italy and Elton in the South of France sprinkled about, they may well be there that long.

(Invictus in March till the Diana statue unveiling in July.)

And to the poster - sorry a few days ago, can't remember who - asking about friends.

Did you see the reports that the Nonoos have been staying in Santa Barbara these past weeks? They are supposedly looking for a property of their own there.

I think the Royal Couple have a pretty extensive social network, and a lot of it is/will be, centred around their new location.

Very much a lifestyle location - rather than a work location - so lots of socialising to be had.

Five months? I’ll certainly be surprised if this happens. It had really seemed like Meghan was all but done with the U.K. I thought a couple of weeks or a month AT MOST.
 
1 If charities in the UK are happy to be exploited for the couple's publicity then that's up to them.

2 The reality is that they're polarising figures in Britain. How is that not obvious?

3 This is extrapolating a lot from very little.

I have never known members of the royal family to be so disliked. It's really quite shocking. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

1 If charities in the UK are happy to be exploited for the couple's publicity then that's up to them.

2 The reality is that they're polarising figures in Britain. How is that not obvious?

3 This is extrapolating a lot from very little.

I have never known members of the royal family to be so disliked. It's really quite shocking. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

1. "Exploited " please. The reality is that Harry & Meghan bring much attention, publicity and good outcomes for their patronages. You may not like the couple but their positive contributions to their charities cannot be denied.

2. Polarizing or not. The Queen said what she said. Her opinion of the couple is count and what will allow them to participate in *HER* Family events.

3. Again you can deny, ignore, or undermine the facts- but they remain the facts. Even in the pouring rain, fans of the couple came out cheering for the couple.

That Harry & Meghan are "so disliked" that it is "shocking" is obviously your opinion. The royal family doesn't feel this way (and lets be honest they could let that be known in a diplomatic way) and neither do the British public as a whole.
 
Who knows what will happen. There were strong reports last year that Harry, Meghan, and little Archie would be spending 2 weeks at Balmoral with the Queen and the DoE THIS summer.
Coronavirus obviously changed things significantly.
Who knows what next year will hold. Meghan *could be* heavily pregnant and not advised to travel. Or heavens(I hope not!) they could be there for funerals for either 1 or both of Harry's grandparents.
 
1. "Exploited " please. The reality is that Harry & Meghan bring much attention, publicity and good outcomes for their patronages. You may not like the couple but their positive contributions to their charities cannot be denied.

2. Polarizing or not. The Queen said what she said. Her opinion of the couple is count and what will allow them to participate in *HER* Family events.

3. Again you can deny, ignore, or undermine the facts- but they remain the facts. Even in the pouring rain, fans of the couple came out cheering for the couple.

That Harry & Meghan are "so disliked" that it is "shocking" is obviously your opinion. The royal family doesn't feel this way (and lets be honest they could let that be known in a diplomatic way) and neither do the British public as a whole.

I think too the RF will do as it likes, like they always do.
they do not care much about what people think.
imagine when Diana died they ignored the public for so long.
this arrogance we can see in some documentaries is true, especially the older generation the way they were educated believing their reign is directly from God gives them a certain feeling being above us all and the younger seem to be so spoiled (like other rich people too) they do not care what you or I am thinking.
what can the public do? nothing. harry& meghan will do their thing too.
remember never complain BUT never EXPLAIN is their motto and this is whats going to happen again and the public will accept as always. some here said the UK does not care much about the RF so it is only few here who care about details,
the masses will do like always.
in my country we have no king but the same with politics, the crowd just doesn't care and compared to the windsors there is truely hardly reason to care they are just litttle, the times when people idientified with the monarch are long gone.
brexit is much more important than of harry is on the balcony.
surely the rf sits back and laugh about all the discussions, it's like comedy for them and they are sometimes just dramaqueens to us-isn't it?
The windsors have give us drama and scandals for a lifetime now and the most funny thing is they think they are the best if all. but when you look to other monarchies there is far less drama.
i do not think how harry left was ok but i do believe things behind doors are more strange anybody can guess here.
 
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Five months? I’ll certainly be surprised if this happens. It had really seemed like Meghan was all but done with the U.K. I thought a couple of weeks or a month AT MOST.

She'll probably come back for a few weeks, but I agree 5 months is NOT going to happen. IF travel is possible then, they may well be away from LA for that time, travelling, working, lots of holidays..
But I expect they will show up in the UK to be seen and to touch base with the RF for a couple of weeks. For Diana's statue, maybe Trooping...
 
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1. "Exploited " please. The reality is that Harry & Meghan bring much attention, publicity and good outcomes for their patronages. You may not like the couple but their positive contributions to their charities cannot be denied.

2. Polarizing or not. The Queen said what she said. Her opinion of the couple is count and what will allow them to participate in *HER* Family events.

3. Again you can deny, ignore, or undermine the facts- but they remain the facts. Even in the pouring rain, fans of the couple came out cheering for the couple.

That Harry & Meghan are "so disliked" that it is "shocking" is obviously your opinion. The royal family doesn't feel this way (and lets be honest they could let that be known in a diplomatic way) and neither do the British public as a whole.


1. I actually agree on this one.

2. That was before "Finding Freedom" so her opinion might change now.

3. See point number 2.

We don't know what the royal family thinks, but there are many people in Britain who grew increasingly tired of Harry and Meghan's antics as well as their constant preaching from their ivory tower, not to mention their hypocrisy. I know some who were neutral towards the Sussexes are now against them because of that. If the Sussexes keep continuing down this path, I'm sure the numbers would increase eventually.
 
The windsors have give us drama and scandals for a lifetime now and the most funny thing is they think they are the best if all. but when you look to other monarchies there is far less drama.


Simply because other royal families aren't usually talked about that often. Plus, most people don't know other royal families exist.
 
The queen's not going to say anything derogatory about Meghan or about the marriage.. but I can't imagine that she or Charles are too happy with eihter Harry or Meghan. They may well blame her most for pushing H into leaving but in public they are being polite and making the best of it.
As for charities, yes they may raise money for charities and the charities will accept that but the more they go political, the more divisive they become, I think that while charities may still benefit up to a point, they will get more wary. I agree that the public who were never IMO all that crazy about Meghan but were willing to welcome her, have felt that they are fed up with their antics, with their ability to make everything, including their charity work about THEM and their problems.. and their hypocrisy. They will feel that if H and Meg want out, let them go and not come back. Why should they comes back when they were so keen to leave that they plunged the RF and even the Govt into talks in January when there were other important matters needing attention.
And the fact that during the last months of Covid crisis, Meghan seems to be quite a busy bee "getting herslef noticed" in US life and dabbling in politics is going to add to teh feeling that she never wanted to be in the UK and so why should she be welcomed back? Harry was quite a popular royal but increasingly I think people have gotne off him because of his marriage.
 
She'll probably come back for a few weeks, but I agree 5 months is NOT going to happen. IF travel is possible then, they may well be away from LA for that time, travelling, working, lots of holidays..
But I expect they will show up in the UK to be seen and to touch base with the RF for a couple of weeks. For Diana's statue, maybe Trooping...


An appearancce at Diana's statue's unveiling is likely considering that even the Duke and Duchess of Windsor broke their exile to be present at the unveling of a statue of Queen Mary.

I am not betting on seeing them on the balcony at Trooping after their surrogates' attacks on the Cambridges.
 
An appearancce at Diana's statue's unveiling is likely considering that even the Duke and Duchess of Windsor broke their exile to be present at the unveling of a statue of Queen Mary.

I am not betting on seeing them on the balcony at Trooping after their surrogates' attacks on the Cambridges.

I don't think the queen's going to ban them, and she's obviously trying to keep up appearances and probably still trying to hold out a hand to Harry at least. I dont know if William and K are on the best terms with them but they should be able to look pleasant in public...
 
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