Bowing and Curtseying - Page 14

le soleil · #**261** 01-20-2007, 10:49 PM

i wanted to see the pics of queen margarethe curtseying the coffin of dagmar

Doña Alicia · #**262** 01-20-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

I am American and my mom grew up in the Caribbean while the island was still a British territory. Due to my love of royalty, I would without a doubt curtsey to any royal.

A side note: in the recent movie Marie Antoinette, I loved Kirsten Dunst's curtsey. She curtsied with one arm extended to the side and the other hand placed in front of her chest. If I can find a movie still, I will post it. That is exactly how I would curtsey. I also like how CP Mary curtsied to Queen Margrethe the week of the wedding by grasping both her hands and bowing deeply.

There is an excellent shot of her doing so if you go to yahoo videos and look up Marie Antoinette. The video labeled "The Introduction" show her meeting several officers and curtseying to all of them. Very elegant.

Mandy · #**263** 01-20-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by le soleil

i wanted to see the pics of queen margarethe curtseying the coffin of dagmar

Here is the picture chosen by the Danish committee for the September Picture of the Month Poll: Enjoy!

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7...denmarkvw7.jpg

linneatherose · #**264** 01-21-2007, 01:57 AM

Dont know if anyone mentioned this earlier, but I watched a film about the Swedish RF. There was a scene in which they met a sports team of some kind (don't speak Swedish)- and the team members didnt bow, even to the king. They just walked by and shook the RF's hands. I thought it was very informal. Is this usual??

Australian · #**265** 01-21-2007, 03:05 AM

I'm not sure, but I think shaking hands is also an alternative option instead of bowing. I'm not sure though.

tara1983 · #**266** 01-21-2007, 05:00 AM

i was wondering to royals bow to other royals when thye visit?

Sister Morphine · #**267** 01-21-2007, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tara1983

i was wondering to royals bow to other royals when thye visit?

I've seen a photo of Princess Anne curtsying to someone, I think Queen Margrethe. Don't quote me on that, though. I'm fairly certain they do; just because they are royalty as well doesn't mean they don't have to observe protocol like we would.

hofburg · #**268** 01-21-2007, 05:54 AM

I, completely, agree.

hofburg · #**269** 01-21-2007, 06:26 AM

Curtsies have nothing to do with the so-called "Royal Birth", Just with 'Royal Status'.

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Originally Posted by Hereditary Mapmaker

Expanding on Cordonez's question regarding Prince Philip:

Assuming for argument that bowing/curtseying was not a voluntary choice - and recognizing that HRH The Duke of Edinburgh was born royal and Daniel Westling was born a commoner - if Victoria and Daniel married and she became queen, under these conditions of protocal how would he be treated? Would The Dukes of Brabant, The Princes of Asturias, The Princes of Orange, The Princes of Wales, Haakon & MM, Fred & Mary, et.al. bow and curtsey to him? Aside from the obvious style/graciousness/likeability differences, would there be any difference in how Daniel would be treated vs. Mary, Maxima, Mette-Marit, Letizia, Camilla, etc.?

Also in previous posts it was mentioned that The Duke of Edinburgh told an elderly woman that it was not necessary to curtsey (presumably because of her advanced age). Would it be acceptable for Daniel (or any other non-royal marrying into a royal family) to have staff instruct people not to curtsey to them (even if they wanted to) because it made the new royal uncomfortable? Would we want them to make such a protocol statement?

Assuming most of us are non-royal - if you found yourself in the position of marrying into a royal family, would you be comfortable with/want other people to bow/curtsey to you?

Mapper

hofburg · #**270** 01-21-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

They do. Monsieur Jacques Chirac (President of France) and Madame Bernadette Chirac - Chodron de Courcel are always very gallant. He uses to make a bow and she a révérence.

The fact that they do so, doesn't mean it's the norm. It's actually a mistake on their part, but albeit, a harmless one

MargreteI · #**271** 01-21-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frothy

Of course do not curtsey to pretenders like the Greeks - or anybody else who affects a royal title when their nation is a republic, eg, Serbia, Austria, France etc. The exception would be Princess Anne-Marie as she is still a Danish princess, but I would not be saying the words "Your Majesty".

Constantine is Prince of Denmark (who married a Princess of Denmark) and all the kids inherited that title after their father, not their mother. Pavlos kids are to, but not his wife.

Her_Majesty · #**272** 01-21-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Morphine

I've seen a photo of Princess Anne curtsying to someone, I think Queen Margrethe. Don't quote me on that, though. I'm fairly certain they do; just because they are royalty as well doesn't mean they don't have to observe protocol like we would.

Maybe you a refering to a picture I posted before of Anne curtsying to Queen Sonja...
Anne curtseying (Getty, earlier posted here)

Sister Morphine · #**273** 01-21-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Her_Majesty

Maybe you a refering to a picture I posted before of Anne curtsying to Queen Sonja...
Anne curtseying (Getty, earlier posted here)

That would be it. Thank you! I had the wrong Scandinavian Queen.

foiegrass · #**274** 02-01-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vecchiolarry

Hi,

Last year, when The Queen and Prince Philip visited Calgary, my then 87 year old mother was introduced to the Prince in a small 'walkabout'..
He held out his hand and my mother shook it and then said to him, "I want to curtsey to you".
He said it wasn't necessary but Mom said, "Hold on!" and taking his other hand, she managed a bit of a bob.
He smiled and said, "Very nice, madam".....
As he walked away, my mother said to those around her, "At least I didn't land on my ass!!"
Prince Philip (who must have heard this, as my mother is partly deaf and talks loud) turned around, smiled and gave her a thumbs up......

Larry

Awesomee story! Love it ! hahhaa. Prince Phillip giving your mom a THUMBS UP! Hee! I'm sure he heard the ass part. WHAHAHAHAHA

Next Star · #**275** 02-01-2007, 08:14 AM

Just a though has anyone ever since a mother of a princess by marriage bow or cursty to their daughter ?This would unbelieveable to me being their mother raised them and if was not for her she would be in existence. Boy this would be a site to see.

Hans · #**276** 02-04-2007, 02:12 PM

Didn't Queen Sonja of Norway made a deep curtsey to the coffin of King Boudewijn in 1993 ??

fee · #**277** 02-04-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandy

Here is the picture chosen by the Danish committee for the September Picture of the Month Poll: Enjoy!

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7...denmarkvw7.jpg

Are you quite sure they didn't photoshop a fallen glove out of the pic, just for fun?
QMII really looks like she was picking up something....

Frothy · #**278** 02-04-2007, 05:23 PM

This came up a year or so ago on the Greek thread and I believe there is some doubt as to whether Constantine's children are still Princes of Denmark, that "Greece and Denmark" is courtesy and implies no actual Danish rank (unlike Princess Anne-Marie, a true Danish princess and genuinely royal). I think - IIRC - that questions were asked in the Danish parliament about it and "Greece and Denmark" has no standing there.

Not 100% on this, it is just what I remember.

Mandy · #**279** 02-04-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fee

Are you quite sure they didn't photoshop a fallen glove out of the pic, just for fun?
QMII really looks like she was picking up something....

HM Queen Margrethe is curtseying with much difficulty probably as a result of the total left knee replacement that she had just four months prior to the Reburial of Empress Marie Feodorovna. I don't think she is picking up a glove, but rather her left knee appears to rotate or catch while she is curtseying and so she extended her hand to balance herself.

MargreteI · #**280** 02-06-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frothy

This came up a year or so ago on the Greek thread and I believe there is some doubt as to whether Constantine's children are still Princes of Denmark, that "Greece and Denmark" is courtesy and implies no actual Danish rank (unlike Princess Anne-Marie, a true Danish princess and genuinely royal). I think - IIRC - that questions were asked in the Danish parliament about it and "Greece and Denmark" has no standing there.

Not 100% on this, it is just what I remember.

Well, I am 100% sure. They are descrendants of Georg I of Greece (Prince Vilhelm) who took over the less then stabile throne in Greece. Recognizing this King Christian IX (his father) made sure the title "Prince of Denmark" would follow his descrendants once Vilhelm took over the unstabile throne in Greece. Constantine is a descrendant of King Christian IX and therefore he is Prince of Denmark in his own right, though he does not have a claim to the throne.

They also carry danish diplomat passports without being danish citizens. That is unusual and requires some sort of rank.