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Old 05-20-2017, 05:29 PM
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I think it's necessary for both parties in a relationship. Else why have the relationship? I just think Beatrice makes her position of 'being royal' too significant (and that could be a wedge, a man may not want to take that on). She doesn't know how to let go of it and just live (maybe, it's a thought only). Like Princess Anne's two children do, who are developing wonderfully 'normal' private lives while still being noted.
Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?

Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.

Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it? She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up? She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.

A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:14 PM
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Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. How is it any different?
'Being royal' is not a job as far as I know. Horseback riding (as configured by the wealthy so inclined) certainly is. I think the comparison is not equivalent. 'Being royal' (a social attribute ascribed) is not the same as an activity like horse-back riding one chooses to do. I don't see 'being royal' as 'a job'. First I've heard it referred to that way (except for The Queen and the heirs).

Charity work is not keyed to 'being royal'. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

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Anne's children had nothing to let go of. They were private citizens from birth.
You already admit that Beatrice is a private citizen later on in your text so not sure what to make of your line of reasoning. 'Being royal' is a pov (in Beatrice's case) which she can easily adjust, for developing a significant private life, where her identity is not keyed to her social status (as 'a job').

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Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.
Eugenie functions like a private citizen imo. She goes about her private life, and a job, and then 'being royal'.

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If Beatrice had to abandon her entire life to make a man happy is he worth it?
Interesting question, yet the very same is what is asked of anyone who marries a male royal. Though you take what I say too far, dear Countessmeout. I never suggested she 'abandon her entire life'.

From what I can see she doesn't have much of a life outside of 'being royal'. It's a mistake she is making. JMO. If I were her big sister I'd be counseling her to move on.

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She has worked to build up her place with her patronages. On establishing the charity with Holly and Sam. Why should she have to give that up?
She doesn't. I never said she should.

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She is a private citizen. She doesn't get any recognition as a working royal. Other then rare event. Zara and Peter attend them too like trooping.
Exactly so. You make my point, but she is not investing in a private life.

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A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
True enough (anyone who marries Prince Harry springs to mind). However, I was never positing that. Not sure why you have gone so far in that direction.

Anyway, it was just a thought. I may be totally off, of course.
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Old 05-21-2017, 12:54 AM
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I didn't care for Dave, I always got the uneasy feeling that he was in the relationship more as a social climber than a genuine interest and feeling for Beatrice. He made sure that he knew where the press was and managed to get photos of himself with Beatrice or not. In the last few years of their relationship, when they were on holidays, he was photographed spending more time with the other women in the groups than Beatrice it seemed.
It's a shame, the guy before Dave turned out to be a wanted felon and then Dave was more interested in his publicity than Beatrice. I hope she finds someone like her sister Eugenie has.
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Old 05-21-2017, 01:54 AM
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Princess Beatrice being a royal is a job. Zara has riding. Beatrice does charity work. [.....].
Being royal is no job. And maybe she does some charity work, but so do millions of Britons. When you help to clean the local village church, when you volunteer to paint the club house of the local football club, when you look after that elder lady down in the street, that is already charity work. Nothing for royals only.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:07 AM
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Fairs fair, you have absolutely no reason except personal animus to blame Sarah for the contents of this report. She loves her daughter and would never do anything to deliberately hurt her. She is not mentioned.
You're right. I was hasty and unkind to blame Sarah Ferguson.

I do think, though, that Princess Beatrice will not attend that wedding.
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Old 05-21-2017, 02:36 AM
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I hope she finds someone like her sister Eugenie has.
I hope she winds up being married to the right man who is so in sync with her that they become one of those magical couples.

I've had relatives like this. Say, a scholarly man, short, likes books, hates sports, marries a short woman, a sportswoman, a person who dotes on animals... Boom. An interesting couple. As singles, not so interesting. Together, very popular and intriguing.

This can happen to Beatrice.



Aside from that, I think the success of her romantic life and marriage depend on how much Beatrice and her intended want to be in the press and if they agree on the amount of press coverage.
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Old 05-21-2017, 04:29 AM
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A marriage where you have to give up everything that you care about, is doomed to be unhappy.
A very simple truism. One cannot make another person happy unless they're happy with themselves.

Giving up identity, things in life that one enjoys to focus on someone else's likes and dislikes and to be a shadow of that person is a death knell that strips a person of who they are. Should the relationship fail, one is left with a ghost of the person they used to be.

This has to work for both partners to maintain a healthy relationship. Perhaps Beatrice and Dave were just so comfortable being an "us" that over years of a relationship, they both grew in different directions without even realizing it and those changes worked against the relationship rather than strengthening it. They called it quits so that both could move on with their lives and find what they're really looking for. Perhaps Dave has found that already and Beatrice has still to find it. We don't know.

I can believe that Beatrice wishes Dave well and hopes he found what he's looking for. He just wasn't what she was looking for in the long run.
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Old 05-21-2017, 06:37 AM
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Eugenie holds a full time job, and does royal patronages and events. And yet Jack hasn't run for the hills.

YET!

The fact that they have been dating for seven years and are not yet engaged is a red flag.

Hope Eugenie doesn't invest a decade in the relationship, only to see it fall apart. (Although I think Jack is much more likeable than Dave Clark).
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Old 05-21-2017, 06:53 AM
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YET!

The fact that they have been dating for seven years and are not yet engaged is a red flag.

Hope Eugenie doesn't invest a decade in the relationship, only to see it fall apart. (Although I think Jack is much more likeable than Dave Clark).
But she was only just out of her teens when they first met. I don't find it a red flag for someone in their early 20s - they were both finding their feet career wise as well as being on separate continents.

Hopefully, as they're now a bit older, they will make some decisions about which direction they want to take their relationship.

Personally, if they want to carry on as they are for the rest of their lives that's fine - but it's probably unlikely given her background.
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Old 05-21-2017, 07:58 AM
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I think that there are people in the 21st century who are content not being married until they are ready to start a family. So it is possible that Eugenie and Jack will marry when/if they become ready for children. Maybe they already have an understanding between the two of them.
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Old 05-21-2017, 08:09 AM
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Whilst she's not a royal, I know of someone who has been with her partner since they were teens, they have 5 kids and are engaged but have never considered getting married.
For some people it's just a piece of paper.

I'm not saying that's the case for Eugenie, but I thinks it's a positive that she's been with Jack so long and they are not engaged.
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Old 05-21-2017, 11:10 AM
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Dave Clark is engaged:

I can't help but feel sorry for Beatrice in all this. They have been broken up for less than a year, and apparently he met his fiancee only six months ago. He dated Beatrice for ten years.

The article says Beatrice is still friends with him and may even attend his wedding...I probably wouldn't be so forgiving...
I have a different take on this. After all these years maybe the spark was no longer there and they were just comfortable friends. One wanted more physical relationship and marriage while the other wanted things just the way there were. Breaking up relationship was the right thing. Still good friends just no longer turning each other on in a physical way. Happens all the time. He has since found someone. If he is still truly her friend, she will be happy for him and have no guilt over breakup. Nothing to forgive. I am sure many have gone through the same thing. It is life. It takes two people to devote their attention to a relationship. I personally always thought they looked more friendly in photos than loving. I wish them both well.
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Old 05-21-2017, 11:25 AM
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I haven't seen Beatrice moping around since the split. There may be a little hurt present over the announcement, but I think she's okay with it and has moved on. Just like he has moved on. I just don't think the split happened because he didn't want to commit. I think it's Bea who wasn't ready and he was. It's very good and mature to end things because one isn't ready to get married.
I don't think Beatrice was ready to settle down and commit to anyone. I think her head is still in her Royal role which she is still coveting. I truly believe she would love a big Royal role. Sadly, I don't believe her uncle and granny are too happy to give her one. Maybe that will change.

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Gotta make sure that baby is born within wedlock to keep it proper I guess.

And even more reason for Beatrice to be pissed.
Has the actual pregnancy been confirmed by Dave or is that just another story made-up by someone because of his fast engagement? Only place I have seen is in another forum. But, of course, American news media probably would not cover the story. If only in People or other magazines, they have had to back down more than once for their fake stories.
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Old 05-21-2017, 01:30 PM
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I don't think Beatrice was ready to settle down and commit to anyone. I think her head is still in her Royal role which she is still coveting. I truly believe she would love a big Royal role. Sadly, I don't believe her uncle and granny are too happy to give her one. Maybe that will change.
I honestly don't understand where this idea has come from that she's dying to have more of a "royal" role. She has never said that and neither has anyone inside the family (in spite of the press claiming the Duke of York did - in fact, he has released a statement saying the exact opposite).

Her education shows that she has always known that she would have to do something in spite of her status and she has held down various jobs and done further study (never mind the Daily Fail kindly providing a running total of her holidays) as well as her charity work (it might not be paying work but it's an occupation). She grew up with a mother who "worked" and who divorced in order to do so.

The Queen and the Prince of Wales won't find any more royal duties for her - she is not in the direct line and for myself, she is fully aware of that.

For now, she's taking some time for herself and hopefully is a fulfilled and happy young woman - nothing in recent appearances suggests that she is broken-hearted. Onwards and upwards...
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Old 05-21-2017, 01:53 PM
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Even when her grandmother Queen Elizabeth, or her uncle King Charles, or her cousin King William request her to do a representation on behalf of the Royal House, then this still is not a fulltime royal role with a daily agenda with a load of engagements, receptions, openings, parades, sight-seeings, and the whole thing.

We may even question if the future Prince and Princess Henry will both have a fulltime royal agenda... My guess is that Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie will slowly fade out to the pheriphery of the royal family, like the Phillipses, the Armstrong-Joneses, etc.

In hindsight it seems not unwise to me that the parents of Princess Louise and Prince James have preferred not to use their rightful royal titles but go for Lady Louise and Lord James indeed. Also for them a fulltime royal future seems most unlikely.
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'Lady Melissa Percy, the Duke of Northumberland's daughter, held a raucous rival party on Saturday night at Syon House, her family's ancestral London home,'

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Chelsy Davy models her own designs in stunning photoshoot

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Old 05-22-2017, 08:52 AM
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'Lady Melissa Percy, the Duke of Northumberland's daughter, held a raucous rival party on Saturday night at Syon House, her family's ancestral London home,'

Chelsy Davy parties with muscular topless waiters | Daily Mail Online

I think Melissa's dress is beautiful.
I don't like Chelsy's.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:31 AM
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Glad to see Chelsy still enjoys her parties! I agree about the dresses.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:40 AM
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'Lady Melissa Percy, the Duke of Northumberland's daughter, held a raucous rival party on Saturday night at Syon House, her family's ancestral London home,'

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Had to take a look at the dresses. Of course the Daily Fail gets it wrong once again as the caption under one of the pictures says its Missy Spencer. Go figure.
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I realize Melissa's birthday is the same date as Pippa's wedding, but it's odd she chose to throw a big party on that day (since she and her brother George were most likely given the save-the-date notices months ago).

I wonder if that's because of her ex-husband, Tom Van Straubenzee, who was at Pippa's wedding?
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