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11-28-2012, 03:30 PM
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Of course it is a sign of improvement, as little as it may be.
It is a "medically significant change" and that's why the RF made an official announcement (according to the press release, News - Het Koninklijk Huis).
MCS is more than "just reflexes setting in". Please see the Wikipedia article:
It's difficult to diagnose MCS and I think the doctors and the royal family waited until they were sure about the diagnosis before they went public with it.
The prognosis (fore-seeing, predicting the outcome) is - of course - still uncertain. His condition might get better, it might stay as it is now or it might get worse again. All his family can do is to hope.
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You are quite right in some repsects, but Friso does not breathe on his own, a very big problem and his injury was caused by excessive anoxia, which is far different that a traumatic brain injury. Everyone, wishes he could recover, but hailing this small change in diagnoses, as that event, is not only premature, it may be foolhardy.
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11-28-2012, 03:37 PM
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Has anyone thought what Prince Friso would want. A highly intelligent man, now reduced to this.
As most of us would say, and our families tell us as well, "please never let me live if this is what 'being alive' is".
Surely he would not want to be like this, and would wish for an end....
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11-28-2012, 03:47 PM
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Given how long his brain was deprived of oxygen I can only see one outcome in all of this. It may seem harsh but I firmly believe death with dignity is much better than a prolonged life with out quality of life.
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11-28-2012, 03:54 PM
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NGalitine, this is my point exactly!!!!
However with personal experience (I had to turn off machines of my 23 year old son after 3 weeks of illness) it takes a VERY brave person to take the step. And it would appear that the family are not there, yet!
I wish them the best and to make the best decision for Prince Friso, not for themselves. That is the difference, and often this is blurred!!!
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11-28-2012, 03:57 PM
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Given how long his brain was deprived of oxygen I can only see one outcome in all of this. It may seem harsh but I firmly believe death with dignity is much better than a prolonged life with out quality of life.
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I, believe, you are correct. But, his family loves him and it is not so easy to let go, even if there is just a glimmer of hope. Many people confuse traumatic brain injury and anxoia, there is a dramatic difference.
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11-28-2012, 04:09 PM
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I strongly agree with you NGalitzine, and this is a prime example of why one should decide if you, in a situation like Prince Friso's, wanna live on by the help of a life support machine, and not leave it up to your loved ones. The same goes for donating organs, it should be mandatory for people to fill out forms themselves and not leave such hard decisions up to their family.
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11-28-2012, 05:07 PM
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You are quite right in some repsects, but Friso does not breathe on his own,..
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AFAIK it was NEVER officially announced that Friso does not breathe on his own. This is pure assumption of board members.
AFAIR it is not even known for sure how long he was deprived of oxygen under the snow.
Back in February the doctor only said that Friso has extensive brain damage and it may take months or even years to recover.
Now - after 9 months - we have an announcement that Friso has minimal conscience. That's all we know for a fact.
I am sure Friso has the best doctors and the best care which money can buy. He also has a wife who gave up her job to be able to concentrate more on him (and her children). So, his chances of improvement are probably better than those of other patients.
It also takes a VERY brave person to go on hoping in such a situation of uncertainty and to live with a handicapped person (since the chance of a full recovery is indeed very near zero).
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12-24-2012, 06:06 PM
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I hope this is the correct thread for posting this. But, I've been thinking of Queen Beatrix and Princess Mabel and children especially. I would think that Christmas will be difficult for them and I pray for the Lord's comfort.
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12-29-2012, 07:07 AM
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AFAIK it was NEVER officially announced that Friso does not breathe on his own. This is pure assumption of board members.
AFAIR it is not even known for sure how long he was deprived of oxygen under the snow.
Back in February the doctor only said that Friso has extensive brain damage and it may take months or even years to recover.
Now - after 9 months - we have an announcement that Friso has minimal conscience. That's all we know for a fact.
I am sure Friso has the best doctors and the best care which money can buy. He also has a wife who gave up her job to be able to concentrate more on him (and her children). So, his chances of improvement are probably better than those of other patients.
It also takes a VERY brave person to go on hoping in such a situation of uncertainty and to live with a handicapped person (since the chance of a full recovery is indeed very near zero).
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As much as I remeber, they doctors said in the press conference, that Friso was 50 Minutes without air.
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12-31-2012, 12:56 AM
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And the doctors also mentioned that that was long...perhaps too long as was the statement...Too long was an understatement of sorts if there ever was one.....It is not done,for over 20 minutes,THAT is the limit..Everywhere...and even shorter,but never longer then that....Never.Anywhere. Totally bezirk,rediculous and overzealous to a fault......And,really,it will never get any better,or rather worse,then this present situation,never,nunca,ever,as a result.What tragedy.Too sad.
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02-12-2013, 11:45 PM
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There will be a special Holy Mass commemorating the accident that involved HRH Prince Friso at the Sankt Nikolaus Church in Lech,Austria this coming sunday,february 17th.A year to the day since the Prince was caught by an avalange in the winter resort where the Dutch Royal Family takes up residence every winter since 60 years.
Princess Mabel and other members of the Royal Family will attend the Mass for Friso and the media are kindly requested not to photograph or film & videotape.It is expected that the whole village will be in attendance again too as they all know the RF and
have a strong bond of friendship,warmth and discretion.
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02-13-2013, 02:38 AM
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 Touching gesture of the Lech community
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02-14-2013, 07:12 AM
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There will be a special Holy Mass commemorating the accident that involved HRH Prince Friso at the Sankt Nikolaus Church in Lech,Austria this coming sunday,february 17th.A year to the day since the Prince was caught by an avalange in the winter resort where the Dutch Royal Family takes up residence every winter since 60 years.
Princess Mabel and other members of the Royal Family will attend the Mass for Friso and the media are kindly requested not to photograph or film & videotape.It is expected that the whole village will be in attendance again too as they all know the RF and
have a strong bond of friendship,warmth and discretion.
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That's so touching,I read this article earlier.
Prayers for Prince Friso in Church of St Nicolas in Lech.
Prayers for Prince Friso in Church of Lech - News Summary ROYALBLOG.NL
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That's a really touching gesture. I hope the press will comply with the request.
This trip is going to be a very emotionally trying experience for the Royal Family but hopefully, it will bring some kind of closure as well.
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02-14-2013, 08:16 AM
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This is very sad. I hope the poor fellow passes away peacefully, for his sake, and quickly, for everyone's sake.
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02-14-2013, 02:50 PM
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That's a really touching gesture. I hope the press will comply with the request.
This trip is going to be a very emotionally trying experience for the Royal Family but hopefully, it will bring some kind of closure as well.
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The press may respect the families privacy, and I hope they do, but no doubt some member of the public will pull out their cell phone and take some pics or video of the event, and if they can make a quick buck sell the pictures. As a poster said on another thread if you are out in public they would have no qualms about taking pics and making money off of another person. People no longer respect their own privacy so it may be too much to expect them to respect other peoples privacy.
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02-14-2013, 02:59 PM
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 That's a rather low blow. The circumstances are very different. In any event, I doubt there's the same market.
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02-14-2013, 03:11 PM
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 That's a rather low blow. The circumstances are very different. In any event, I doubt there's the same market.
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I agree. The circumstances are different. But according to some, nobody is more entitled on this planet than a certain 30-year-old man and his pregnant wife.
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02-14-2013, 03:19 PM
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Using this thread for cheap pop at other posters is not needed.
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