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10-21-2012, 10:20 PM
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Well "pulling the plug" does happen in the UK, sometimes even ordered by the courts against the wishes of parents of small children when there is no chance of "life".
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Is it cases of children born for example anencephalic or with other birth defects of the brain or children injured in accidents?
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10-22-2012, 02:07 AM
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Read yesterday that the prosecution in Austria decided not to open a case against Florian Moosbrugger, as he did nothing that could be seen as being responsible for causing the avalanche. Both Friso and he knew what they risked and it was an accident. He was a victim as much as Friso.
http://vorarlberg.orf.at/news/stories/2555258/
The article claims that the family Moosbrugger and the Dutch Royals are even closer now than they were before and that queen Beatrix was convinced from the beginning that Herr Moosbrugger while he was invoilved, did nothing to hurt the prince.
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10-22-2012, 04:12 PM
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Perhaps, that is why they continued life support. So, if Herr Moosbrugger was found guilty of any misdoing, it would not be a manslaughter type of charge.
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10-23-2012, 02:53 PM
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I really hope not, that would be so hard on the family! I don't know a thing about brain and brain damage. Does anyone know if there is a reasonable chance he wakes up one day?
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10-23-2012, 02:56 PM
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His injury, which is requiring a ventilator to breathe for Friso, is consistent with Brain Death. He was deprived of oxygen for nearly an hour. Irreversible brain damage starts at 6 minutes. He's not going to wake up.
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10-23-2012, 03:20 PM
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I think Scooter is right. There must be some reason they have tortured themselves in this matter.
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10-24-2012, 08:30 AM
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Thank you for this clear answer. A very sad story!
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10-28-2012, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HRHHermione
A friend of mine in the Netherlands just posted on Facebook that National Geographic has announced the death of Prince Friso. I cannot confirm this via any other source and it apparently has yet to be announced in Dutch media, so I'm treating it very much as an unconfirmed rumor right now, but they are a reputable news source. No idea why they'd know first though.
My apologies if I shouldn't even have posted, but I wanted to share. I imagine if this is the case, we'll know soon.
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The dutch 'rijksvoorlichtingsdienst' has denied that prince Friso has passed away (initially they 'didnt confirm' now that has changed to 'denied') and maintains that news of PF's condition will be announced when there's a significant change in his condition..
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10-28-2012, 04:34 AM
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The dutch 'rijksvoorlichtingsdienst' has denied that prince Friso has passed away (initially they 'didnt confirm' now that has changed to 'denied') and maintains that news of PF's condition will be announced when there's a significant change in his condition..
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Yup, my friend messaged me right after and let me know it has been declared a hoax. I deleted my original post.
Here is the story on the hoax if anyone is interested: Google Translate
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10-28-2012, 07:53 AM
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A very cruel hoax.
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10-28-2012, 08:49 AM
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A very cruel hoax.
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well, not so much a hoax...they claim it was due to a technical error (very dumb error, if i may say so)
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10-28-2012, 01:51 PM
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What a terrible thing to print, if it is not true. Why would they do that?
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10-28-2012, 01:52 PM
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To sell, countess... Unfortunately...
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10-28-2012, 03:02 PM
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I was under the impression that the announcement was via television, not a newspaper or magazine. Was this not the case?
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Sii forte.
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10-28-2012, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin
I was under the impression that the announcement was via television, not a newspaper or magazine. Was this not the case?
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yes, national geographic the tv-channel, technical error in showing this message on tv for several minutes before it was removed.....
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10-28-2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee-Z
yes, national geographic the tv-channel, technical error in showing this message on tv for several minutes before it was removed.....
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All TV-stations with viewers that have an interest in the Dutch Royal family surely have their obituaries ready for transmission. It's not the first time something like this has happened. Human error, for sure.
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10-28-2012, 07:54 PM
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National Geographic is a, fairly, decent publication, not prone to sensational stuff. Even, their TV Channel doesn't do the nonsense programing. Too bad this occurred. When it does happen, people will question the veracity.
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10-30-2012, 12:57 PM
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Since we do not know the Prince's exact medical condition, there may be something, maybe minor brain activity, that is giving the family hope or keeping them from making any final decision.
People cling to hope - sometime that is all we have.
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10-30-2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee27
Since we do not know the Prince's exact medical condition, there may be something, maybe minor brain activity, that is giving the family hope or keeping them from making any final decision.
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Nor do we know the family's views on when a person is to be considered dead, if they accept brain death or if they believe that a person is dead first when the heart stops beating. Just because a country has laws accepting brain death doesn't mean that everyone in that country thinks it's ok with "pulling the plug" when a person is brain dead.
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11-02-2012, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by scooter
His injury, which is requiring a ventilator to breathe for Friso, is consistent with Brain Death. He was deprived of oxygen for nearly an hour. Irreversible brain damage starts at 6 minutes. He's not going to wake up.
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Exactly,not ever,and writing anything else is just that,a waste of time..
sad,but very true!Thanks Scooter,I like people who do talk sense,even if
its the saddest news.Truth first,no room for false emotions.Its all
sad enough as it is without that.
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