William and Kate: engagement and relationship rumours and musings 2005 - 2008


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Binky said:
I don't think that it's "awful" that she doesn't work. Heck, I'd love to live a life of leisure and I certainly would take advantage if my parents were wealthy.
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Wonderful, an honest person who admits she too would love a life of not having to work for a living. :flowers:
The difference is Kate is a public person (weather she likes it or not) and most likely will be serving the British public very soon. It would be better if she held down a 9-5 job because it would put her in "touch" with the common person, IMHO. That way, when she is a royal patron of whatever charity or when she is visiting local towns and farms, doing ribbon-cuttings, etc, she will be able to identify with the people.
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Catherine is not yet public property, no more than William is. Until she is engaged to William, if that happens, she is entitled to her privacy. Even if she becomes engaged and then married to William, she will not be 'serving the British people'. If asked she may take on a few charities, she may be invited to attend a few royal events, but with the best will in the world, all that will be required of her for a good few years will be to have children, be appropriately turned out and not pose and pout.

As she is from a middle class family, she should have no problems relating to ordinary members of the public.
 
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Kimebear
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but catherine doesn't need to align herself with anything at the moment. she is a private citizen and a single woman. one doesn't have to be working in a job they love just to prove themself worthy of the possibility of becoming queen. diana had no idea she'd be marrying the heir to the throne so she certainly didn't take the jobs on the pretense that she'd be patron of any children's charity. catherine enjoys photographyand she has an art history degree...perhaps they will serve her well one day if she does become consort.
 
I never thought or said Diana got a job at a kindergarten so she would someday become a patron and a princess.
With regard to Kate, let me just say that whatever and whenever she takes the next step in life may she be happy and fulfilled.
 
I have a different take on Diana's employment. She didn't have to work for a living; she did what she did because she enjoyed it. I would call that a passion. And for someone with her background to be willing to clean for someone, well, I think that's admirable. It shows that she didn't think she was above it all. I recall reading in Mrs Donaldson's book that when Diana cared for her son, Partrick, she never even knew of Diana's ancestry or title until she found a bank check or deposit slip (?) with her name on it. I highly recommend that book as it really shows Diana's true colors. When someone cares for your child like that, you get to know them pretty well.

As for Kate, she's in a far more difficult situation since this has been a longer courtship than Diana's or Sarah's. I think working for her family is the best thing she could do right now. If there is to be an engagement (fingers crossed here), it keeps her in a more controlled situation. Unlike before when she was seen leaving her flat on the way to work every day, etc. And, her family doesn't talk, unlike co-workers. Lol!
 
Skydragon said:
Wonderful, an honest person who admits she too would love a life of not having to work for a living. :flowers:Catherine is not yet public property, no more than William is. Until she is engaged to William, if that happens, she is entitled to her privacy. Even if she becomes engaged and then married to William, she will not be 'serving the British people'. If asked she may take on a few charities, she may be invited to attend a few royal events, but with the best will in the world, all that will be required of her for a good few years will be to have children, be appropriately turned out and not pose and pout. . . . .
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Well said.

IMO Catherine is in an impossible position. If she gets a job the media will say she got it because she is William's girlfriend and will then make it so difficult for the company/business to function that terminating her employment would become a matter of survival.

On the other hand what Charity would want to ask her to be their patron or to speak on their behalf? She is, after all, only William's girlfriend and not his fiance and as such, is not an asset to their work.

Should William and Catherine become engaged the whole picture changes. Until then, if she is happy and healthy and doesn't have to work more power to her (and half her luck). :lol:
 
Monika_ said:
I have a different take on Diana's employment. She didn't have to work for a living; she did what she did because she enjoyed it. I would call that a passion. And for someone with her background to be willing to clean for someone, well, I think that's admirable. It shows that she didn't think she was above it all. I recall reading in Mrs Donaldson's book that when Diana cared for her son, Partrick, she never even knew of Diana's ancestry or title until she found a bank check or deposit slip (?) with her name on it. I highly recommend that book as it really shows Diana's true colors. When someone cares for your child like that, you get to know them pretty well.
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Working 3 half days a week could hardly be called 'a passion' and the cleaning job was a couple of hours a week working for her sister and friends.

I really hate to quote from Brown's book (chapter The Super Sloane, page 57-62) but - The next step was to secure a menial job, the more menial the better. Slumming it was part of the inverted cachet of the Sloane Ranger world, since it also announced you didn't depend on your job for either money or status....... A trust fund cinderella drifting through temp work, low stress, undemanding jobs. - then there was the job teaching ballet, she just didn't show up after a couple of months - another job, 2 days nannying on the understanding that she would not babysit in the evenings or weekends, they had to be free for socialising. I hate to refer to Browns book again but - Mrs Robertson complained to Diana after she had eaten all of the meat from a stew that was meant for the family's evening meal. Diana apologised and then left her a cheque, that according to Brown was Dianas way of saying she wasn't just the help.:whistling: So as we can see, Diana had more than a few part time jobs.
As for Kate, she's in a far more difficult situation since this has been a longer courtship than Diana's or Sarah's. I think working for her family is the best thing she could do right now. If there is to be an engagement (fingers crossed here), it keeps her in a more controlled situation. Unlike before when she was seen leaving her flat on the way to work every day, etc. And, her family doesn't talk, unlike co-workers. Lol!
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Catherine has probably been working for her parents for a long time and probably long days to make up for any time she might have off. Let's hope this put's paid to the 'she doesn't work for a living brigade', who might now take breath before slamming her on something they have no knowledge of.
 
The bashing won't stop Skydragon. It is now being said that 10-7 doesn't constitute a hard day, that the photographs of her leaving her father's place of business was staged, and that so what, she only worked one day, and the most hilarious of all: comparisons are being made to how much harder and longer hours others (read they) work than this.:lol::lol:

No matter what Kate does it will never be good enough to stop the attacks. This is why I know that despite a thousand denials, the bashing absolutely is based on little more than envy -- take your pick on the kind of envy -- but plain old, garden-variety, cattiness and green-eyed envy.;)
 
Luv2Cruise said:
No matter what Kate does it will never be good enough to stop the attacks. This is why I know that despite a thousand denials, the bashing absolutely is based on little more than envy -- take your pick on the kind of envy -- but plain old, garden-variety, cattiness and green-eyed envy.;)
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While I still think it would have been great if she had found the calling of her heart before she really became "The Girlfriend", and her options reduced to zero, I have to agree. Green-eyed monsters all.
 
As for Catherine Middleton: there are plenty of forums around where one can bash her to their heart's delight. Here I personally would wish that the policy continues that asks for judgemental opinions to be based in published information to continue. Plus I'd wish for people to accept that published information is not the whole truth behind a story and never will be. So far IMHO Catherine Middleton has not set one foot wrong in public apart from being to decent to provide the public with all details of her private life. So bashing her on that basis (Quote: "We have never seen her doing anything worthwhile, so she must be worthless" or something like that) only gives me the impression that for those bashers decency, discretion and the wish to keep private things private is not something they wish to see on a (or their, if Britons, but they rarely are among the bashers) queen-to-be.

But somehow I guess this is exactly what William will want in his future wife. So some people are to be thoroughly disappointed in Catherine anyway. But do they have to bother me with their spite when I'm just interested in hearing what's going on in Royality?
 
I also agree totally that Catherine has never set one foot wrong in public. I think the bashing is due to the green-eyed monster. It seems that her appearance and personality present a threat, but I fear she will have to deal with it for years to come. The Princess of Wales has been dead for nearly 11 years and she still seems to have that affect. Lol!!
 
Here's my take. I really couldn't care less if she works or not. It's not my business or anyone else's. I just sincerely hope, if they do get married some day, that they are truly right for each other. Because I do not want William to go through what his parents went through. :nonono: For that reason alone, I am glad that he's in no big hurry to get married just so people can fulfill their fantasy for another "fairytale" royal wedding. I want him to get married for the right reasons, and to the right person. If Kate's that person, so be it. I hope so, for his (and her) sake. :heart:
 
Luv2Cruise said:
The bashing won't stop Skydragon. It is now being said that 10-7 doesn't constitute a hard day, that the photographs of her leaving her father's place of business was staged, and that so what, she only worked one day, and the most hilarious of all: comparisons are being made to how much harder and longer hours others (read they) work than this.

No matter what Kate does it will never be good enough to stop the attacks. This is why I know that despite a thousand denials, the bashing absolutely is based on little more than envy -- take your pick on the kind of envy -- but plain old, garden-variety, cattiness and green-eyed envy.
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I have girls that start at 7am but leave at 3pm, 8am till 4pm, 10am till 5pm, does this mean I have been under working them? The girls you speak of, must be in the wrong employment, perhaps their attitude has something to do with it. As we call it, the green eyed monster at work, it has eaten up many.
 
It's nice to see that Kate has taken some interest in the family business. So many children of business owners want nothing to do with what their parents have built. Even if it is only to practice her photography skills or just to help her parents out, its nice to see. The Middletons seem like a close family. Such stability in her family life is an asset, IMO.
 
Posts more concerned with Diana than with Wills 'n Kate have been removed.
Diana has her own subforum; she doesn't need to be introduced into other areas where she has no particular relevance.

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Warren
British Forums moderator
 
In certain ways, I think that William has followed his Uncle Edward's lead in finding a wife...keep it low-key, find someone from a stable background, etc.:)

kimebear said:
It's nice to see that Kate has taken some interest in the family business. So many children of business owners want nothing to do with what their parents have built. Even if it is only to practice her photography skills or just to help her parents out, its nice to see. The Middletons seem like a close family. Such stability in her family life is an asset, IMO.
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What is the rule of one person cannot always convert to the rule of another person, and the same principle applies to jobs and working hours. There are too many varieties of jobs out there. Some jobs require a person to stay in one place, whether one building or one office for many hours or the whole workday. Other jobs are more mobile. Some jobs are home based. And still other jobs are partially home based, partially office centered, and partially "field" type of jobs. So without a proper understanding of Kate's work, of what she does and what her job entails, we cannot base any fair judgement on some photos of her leaving any given work facility at any given hour. Our context cannot be accurate or whole from these pictures.
 
Jo of Palatine said:
But do they have to bother me with their spite when I'm just interested in hearing what's going on in Royality?
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Totally agree.:flowers:

Mermaid1962 said:
In certain ways, I think that William has followed his Uncle Edward's lead in finding a wife...keep it low-key, find someone from a stable background, etc.:)
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Not to mention that his marriage from outward appearances seems to stable, happy, and tabloid-proof. If true, they are a great example for William & Kate.
 
if catherine's working with her folks then it's great but the 10 am to 7:30 is no big deal...most people work that every day....or longer!
 
Could Kate Middleton's father get a title, if William and Kate Marry?

Could Michael Middleton get a title (an Earl, Viscount, Lord, Marquess, etc..) if William and Kate marry? I know that her father doesnt come from nobility. but could the queen or King Charles, depending on when the wedding happens, give Michael a title. I dont know if they can do that. considering she is the first commoner in long, long while to possibly get this chance.
 
Do you mean she's the first commoner to get the chance to be queen? I'm not sure I understand the last statement.

I don't see why the Queen (if William marries before she dies) or his father would grant her father a title. What has he done to deserve being elevated to a peer aside from fathering someone who may be the future Queen of England?
 
first commoner in a long time to marry a heir to the british throne
 
Strictly speaking, not true. Both Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon(the future Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother) and Lady Diana Spencer were commoners, but they were born noblewomen, aristocrats.

Miss Middleton will be the first non-aristo commoner to marry the heir to the Throne if she in fact does.
 
I'm about to go a bit off topic but I promise it's related to Kate and William. I was searching for something related to Prince William and I came across an article about it on a royal forum and I've honestly never seen such criticism in my life. They have no respect for Prince William or Kate for him they think he's out of touch and for her they awful very mean nicnames. Anyways something that caught my eye was their conversation about the relationship and I have this to say if he wasn't in love with her or what not he wouldn't have kept her for so long William is not stupid no one is forcing him to be with Kate so that leads me to beleive he truly does want to be with her. Anyways sorry about my rant. Anyways a few days ago I found this article and although it is quite old I thought they brought up some good points about their potential future or atleast some things which have gone through my mind in the past. Royal Anecdotes » Dangers for Prince William and Kate Middleton
 
I apologize if this is off topic Warren. I think all of this stuff is quite fascinating. I suppose William would be the one to grant Kate's father a title, if anyone. I know of another royalty website where this question would be answered absolutely correctly, but I don't think it is proper for me to cite to it on the open board.

I found this -- not sure about the site, but:

"Titles in the English Peerage (and less)"
"A commoner is someone without a title. Thus you can be at the top of the aristocracy, as the Queen Mother grew up, but still be considered a commoner if you (or your father) have not yet been granted a title. All of us here in America are not merely commoners—we are baseborn, as was William Shakespeare. That is, we’re the bottom of the food chain in the English class system. But we don’t care."
Choose an English Peeerage Title

This rings true, especially in regards to the Queen Mother and Princess Alice, who were derisively referred to by Prince Philip's cousin Princess Marina, I've read, as those "common little Scottish girls.":ohmy:

I'm BASEBORN!!! LMAO
 
I know that the situation is slightly different as Kate is will be the future Queen if they married, but I don't think Sarah, Duchess of York's father received a title on her marriage and he was friend of PoW.
 
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