Run-up to the inquest into Diana's death

[Iluvbertie]

I am still waiting for answers to my questions about how anyone could have organised an assassination attempt ON THAT PARTICULAR EVENING when the plans changed and they didn't follow the most obvious route home among other questions.

I don't need references to the conspiracy theories as I have been hearing them for 9 years but I want explanations, from the conspiracy supporters, to answer my questions about the logistics needed on that evening.

 

[foiegrass]

Their concern that the last thing she ever saw was the flash from the cameras!

Ohmy. that's horrid. I really do feel sorry for the Princess of Wales. Even in death, she has to face the paparazzi. Read the inquiry thing, personally I don't believe that the Burrell note was fake. I don't believe that Charles would actually murder his wife but... I guess Diana wrote it to express her insecurities.

 

[blackdaisies]

here is another web address to read up on if anyone cares to why lots of people, including me, feel it is murder and it does say she was communitcating and that the car was not that badly damaged on her side and she was not waiting to be cut out of the roof of the vehicle. they question every minute misused at the scene of the emergency vehicle and the ride to the hospital and they say that is the reason the photographers were not prosecuted. the fault layed on the drivers and police officers following the ambulance. it was supposed to have police escorts, but the motorcyle driving police officers lost the ambulance that was driving only 6 miles an hour or whatever speed it was driving that it took 40 minutes once they finally removed her from the car to be taken to the hospital. how does one lose a slow moving vehicle? that is another negilgence issue and don't tell me because the stopped to wait for traffic! traffic was stopped already and they had the use of the road freely.

http://www.senderberl.com/diupdate.htm

i will say this that for one thing, it is everyone's right to have an opinion, and if someone believes there is legitamate proof and feel the investigation is a crock, it is their right to say so and that is why this forum topic was created to discuss it, not to slam people who believe it. as far as proof, there is neither proof, other than what could be considered bogus reports from investigations desperately trying to save themselves blame for neglecting to help her, it was an accident or proof it wasn't. it's not possible for so many people to behave so irresponsibly and unprofessionally on that night that they did not follow correct procedures. did you see the katrina disaster in the u.s. when they let all those peole die because the suddenlly forgot procedure? it's looking a lot like the diana situation. this articles says she was speaking and communicating, but i didn't get that far when reading it. i have read others like it where they say she was able to get around.

as far as how they could make a plan of that nature that night, well that was the plan, to at the last minute change cars into an unsafe vehicle, and change all plans made to get her to that area to commit murder on her where her normal people were not there to protect her. it could have been easily preplanned to make all those alterations to the original plans and make it look as if it were an accident.

why don't you think the fayed's were bugged on their security phones and connections? just because she was in the charge of the fayed's does not mean their privacy wasn't being broken in second by second and minute by minute intervals, so if she were to change plans, they made plans around her new plans just as quick and easy. a car accident doesn't have to have a specific place or time, but if it's planned to kill, delay, or harrass someone, it can be made to regardless if it was meant to happen somewhere else. it doesn't matter that they were not where they would normally be because the predators were right behind her where ever she drove and took whatever options they had. there was no need to have a specific place or time in creating an auto accident. it might not have been a plan originally to have the accident in the tunnel, but it was a plan that night to create some kind of accident, or at least i believe it was.

if anything at all is questionable that evening, it should be investigated and it should not be discouraged so loudly. why complain? what are they trying to hide? it was an easy decision being the lights, phones and security cameras all went off near the tunnel just minutes before she crashed and say "wasn't that really fishy?" there must have been a set up of some kind because what are the chances of that happpening anywhere unless someone planned to murder her? anybody following information on where she was going during those last 10 or 15 minutes could have been giving someone else in the communication rooms enough information so that they knew down to the last few minutes that she could not escape where they finally cornered her, that they could get away with turning the phones, video cameras, and lights off then at that minute.

so that is what i believe, and others do too worldwide. they say this is a crock of an investigation and even in poor neighborhoods in big cities they can remove people out of cars and to hospitals with those kinds of injuries in much bette time as they normally do in france. they should ask about others who have been removed from cars with similar injuries how fast it took them to get them into an ambulance. i'll bet it was a much quicker ride.

 

[blackdaisies]

i would like to make a small point that many people made princess diana feel insane because of her insecurities and doubts of her safety from the royal family and it doesn't show support of her now that she is dead to keep pushing the murder issue back like it was insane. she felt she was in danger, and ingoring it and making the accident plea look acceptable just fed all that she feared that she would never be heard and her death would go unsolved or misdeclared as an accident. she wrote that in a letter, stated the same ideas to others while she was alive, so how can you say let her lay in peace when she had none due to predators who planned to take her life and did finally take her life? i think she would be proud that scotland yard cared enough for her that they would search every small detail until they found an exact truth, or at least hopefully they do.

i believe the truth will be that she was murdered for what ever reason, but don't think it's disrespectful in any way to investigate. you can't brush things under a rug because you are tired of hearing about them. that doesn't change facts.

you say her children asked that the conspiracy theories laid to rest, but is that what was said to princess diana when she was alive by them? when she was scared for her life almost everyday and asked for help and was told there is no such thing and it's part of your imagination, is that what her children also told her? it is totally disrespectful of them to diregard an important investigation and undermine it as if it were lies. i don't think they have a right to say anything right now because honestly they haven't said anything unil now, which adds more suspicions rather than puts an issue to rest.

 

[Madame Royale]

blackdaisies,

Have you given thought, that the findings are infact what they are. Diana, Dodi and Henri were victims of a devestating accident, nothing more. I understand that this is not a view you share but at least try and take the findings into consideration.

It is everyone's right to have an opinion

Absolutely, and you have as much of a right to express yours, as does anyone.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Thank you for the links to these websites. I did ask for 'credible' sources not just a rehash of the conspiracy theories we have been getting for the last 9 years and you failed to deliver on that but... at least you went to the trouble of posting sites that simply rehash what has been in the press for the last 9 years.

http://www.princess-diana.com/diana/diana-news/diana_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1110957691&archive=&ucat=7

- two versions of how they ended up in the car they did and a press report at that - not new

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=41&contentid=527

- look at the title of the website and tell me why you would call it 'credible' - most of these articles were published in the Daily Express - a far from credible source being a tabloid paper

http://www.popularq.com/articles/Royalty/General/Princess-Dianas-seatbelt-may-have-been-sabotaged/

- theory about seat belt being tampered with - published in many papers

http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_diana_assassination.htm

- a site dedicated to exposing the New World Order and its ability to control the world - you do realise that these sites also say that the Da Vince Code is accurate and that the Masons are out to take over the world etc - far from 'credible'

http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_nwo_diana_assassination.htm

- why give two links to the same site - did you think that just putting in a long list of sites would put people off from checking them all?

you can't believe anything you are reading........

good luck because you are in for a lot of reading.

I asked for 'credible' sources.

None of these qualify but you should take your own advice - namely 'you can't believe anything you are reading'. I don't because I don't believe everything published in the press - unfortunately you do if these are the best you can come up with.

Did you read the titles of these sites? Did you actually do a simply reliability check? Do you realise that all of these claims have been published in the press which you have said I shouldn't be 'believing'? Guess what - I don't

By the way it wasn't 'a lot of reading' it took about 20 minutes to click on each site and read them. A lot of reading is the 800 page report that analysises all the statements by those both for and against conspiracy theories - try reading it - you will see all of these theories analysed and be able to read the statements for yourself and make up your own mind - you will read what Diana, Dodi, Al Fayed, friends, family etc had to say about the various issues leading up to and after the crash.

That is a credible report because it has considered both points of view and reached its conclusion not just taken one side and considered that side.

I am still waiting for 'credible' sources to support you view - and remember you can't believe everything you read in the press or on the internet - less so on the internet as there are no laws about ensure that what you say on here is accurate - people can write absolutely anything about anyone and there is no legal recourse on the internet so you have to be even more critical of internet sources than those published in the media.

 

[sassie]

Blackdaisies, I would say that, since you are listing sites and recommending that people read them to understand the claims you are making, you should do the same and read the document that backs up the opposing points of view.

If you haven't read the Paget report, then you don't have a balanced view of the entire case, and your credibility reflects that.

 

[blackdaisies]

i guess i could always just read the prepared and always "honest" government propaganda and think i am well informed like you think you are. you are totally unrealistic to not question the actions of these people considering you are so interested in laying diana to rest. you would think these things that were done to her were appalling like letting her die internally choking in her own blood instead of taking her to the hospital like they should have and blocking her from the benfits most people get like lights, telephones and video of what happened that would benefit her case and prove one way or another, and don't forget the bodies that are stacking up with some being burned to death in their own car associated with that night. you are living in your own world and whining too loud about what you think others are living in.

i'll read the papers you said, and i'll point out every stupid thing they stated that they didn't point out as a "red flag" meaning some stupid mistake they normally would be sitting in prison for. the whole document is probably trash and biased to the accident direction.

i've read better articles and done a lot of research on the internet, and most of these accusations are more realsitic than the original police accident report. they at least explain why they screwed her up so bad, but ignore that while you sit on your high horse waving you english rose postcards like you cared. i can at least read past many stupid mistakes over and over again commited by police officers.

 

[Elspeth]

I think we can do without the personal attacks on other posters, thank you. Let's keep this discussion civil.

Elspeth

British Royals moderator.

 

[Warren]

.. the whole document is probably trash and biased to the accident direction.

blackdaisies, is this your opinion of the Report before or after you have read it?

 

[Iluvbertie]

i guess i could always just read the prepared and always "honest" government propaganda and think i am well informed like you think you are. you are totally unrealistic to not question the actions of these people considering you are so interested in laying diana to rest. you would think these things that were done to her were appalling like letting her die internally choking in her own blood instead of taking her to the hospital like they should have and blocking her from the benfits most people get like lights, telephones and video of what happened that would benefit her case and prove one way or another, and don't forget the bodies that are stacking up with some being burned to death in their own car associated with that night. you are living in your own world and whining too loud about what you think others are living in.

i'll read the papers you said, and i'll point out every stupid thing they stated that they didn't point out as a "red flag" meaning some stupid mistake they normally would be sitting in prison for. the whole document is probably trash and biased to the accident direction.

i've read better articles and done a lot of research on the internet, and most of these accusations are more realsitic than the original police accident report. they at least explain why they screwed her up so bad, but ignore that while you sit on your high horse waving you english rose postcards like you cared. i can at least read past many stupid mistakes over and over again commited by police officers.

So you are saying that the internet provides better sources than the report that uses statements from both sides - i.e. statements from people who say it was a conspiracy and people who say it wasn't, whereas the links that you provided just rehash the conspiracy theories that have been in the press for the last 9 years.

Please actually take the five hours or so it takes to read the actual report and then say that they haven't considered both sides. You may still disagree with their view but at least take the time to look at what information Stephens had to work with - namely statements from Diana, Dodi, Al Fayed, friends of both, relatives of both, associates of both, paparazzi, journalists, employees of Al Fayed, employees of Diana etc, experts in their fields etc. - before you condemn it out of hand.

I took the time to look up the links you provided. A similar courtesy from you would be appreciated from those of us on here who have read some or all of it (I am at page 609 at the moment).

Until you have done that you have not actually opened your eyes to an alternative point of view - that is that there was no conspiracy.

 

[Sister Morphine]

I don't know if people believe in conspiracy theories because the truth is just not believeable to them or because they feel things have to happen for roundabout reasons that no one can explain. Either way, Diana died because she was in a car driven by a drunk driver that smashed into a concrete pylon. Anything else is just bunkum.

 

[Warren]

... i don't think they [William & Harry] have a right to say anything right now because honestly they haven't said anything unil now, which adds more suspicions rather than puts an issue to rest.

[my bolding in quoted part]
blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?

 

[Sister Morphine]

[my bolding in quoted part]
blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?

I hope I didn't read the same thing as you did.

 

[Iluvbertie]

[my bolding in quoted part]
blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?

Surely William and Harry have as much right as anyone to speak about the investigation, particularly as William was interviewed for it.

As for the comment that Diana was telling people every day that she feared for her life, it Blackdaisies had read the report, then he/she would know that not all of Diana's friends agree with that statement - many of them say that Diana had never mentioned anything like that to them - sure some did but not everyone.


Personally I think William and Harry have more right than any of us to speak out about what they believe happened to their mother and, if it was a conspiracy, who was involved. I think they are very angry that people could suggest the grandfather or father they so clearly adore could have killed the mother they also adored. Just imagine the pain these young men have gone through with these accusasations about their loved ones.

 

[KelliB]

I've just finished reading the report and all I can say is that it is very, very sad. That her death has been turned into a circus is even sadder. If only she'd been allowed the dignity and privacy in death that she was deprived of in life.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

anybody following information on where she was going during those last 10 or 15 minutes could have been giving someone else in the communication rooms enough information so that they knew down to the last few minutes that she could not escape where they finally cornered her, that they could get away with turning the phones, video cameras, and lights off then at that minute.

I see you don't have an idea how complicated it is to "turn off" the lights in a big city like Paris. There simply is not one person or a communication room in which things like that happen. The way energy is delivered into the different houses, to the roads and tunnels is very divided. To do what you claim "they" did was maybe possible. But not within 15 minutes. BTW - the metro which runs very close to pont de l'Alma worked perfectly fine. As for the "security cameras" the report says that there were none pointed to the road. All cameras in the vicinity of the route along the river were checked and it turned out they were perfectly working. But they worked to protect their owner's house which is why they have been there: all privately owned and all concentrated not on the road but on the houses along it to make sure nobody could enter.

Please, read the report before you go on to make yourself unhappy with ideas that there is just a slight possibility unknown forces could pull off such a stunt and get away with it after two police investigations. You're making yourself afraid of life if you believe in such sinister forces. So please, use your brain and check the report for4 things that sound out of the normal or badly researched and let Diana rest in peace. Just my opinion, okay?

 

[Jo of Palatine]

you say her children asked that the conspiracy theories laid to rest, but is that what was said to princess diana when she was alive by them? when she was scared for her life almost everyday and asked for help and was told there is no such thing and it's part of your imagination, is that what her children also told her?

But she wasn't really scared! She wrote this note about two years before she died wehich was before she was divorced. After the divorce she never said anything about being afraid and she even stopped to use bodyguards whenever she could. She did not have her car checked for damages, she just went out on her own and loved it. Why should the Royal family kill let her be killed off when they had already payed for her and when the danger of her marrying a muslim had just ceased to exist when she quit her long-term relationship with Hassan Khan? They simply had no motive because they knew Diana was not going to marry Do al-Fayed. So where's the motive for such a plot? What did they have to win from her death? Nothing. Diana was well on her way to disgrace herself with flings à la Dodi. But that was good for Charles and his family, wasn't it? Why make her into an icon when she herself was merrily pushing herself from the pedestrial people had put her up to? Time worked for the RF and against Diana. anyone could see that, especially the RF. Why do away with her? Why?

 

[Madame Royale]

Any thought that the royal family, had, in any way participated in the tragic demise of Diana - Princess of Wales is beyond all reasonable comprehension and logic. From where I'm sitting anyhow (as one does when one is on the computer).

Until the day of her passing, Diana was an active member (though of a seperate office by way of divorce) within the institition that is the Royal House of Windsor and that should not be forgotten or misplaced amongst any theory put forth.

 

[Henri M.]

It is very simple

+ high speed
+ drunken chauffeur
+ no seatbelts
+ dark slippery tunnel
= a fatal crash

 

[Skydragon]

i think she would be proud that scotland yard cared enough for her that they would search every small detail until they found an exact truth, or at least hopefully they do.

I think you will find that the investigation and subsequent report were commissioned by Michael Burgess, the coroner of the Queens Household, IMO, at the request of the Royal Family.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6175119.stm

 

[MARG]

I hope I didn't read the same thing as you did.

I hate to say it but I too "hope I didn't read the same thing as you did". Just when you think the conspiracy theories couldn't get any worse.

 

[Skydragon]

i don't think they have a right to say anything right now because honestly they haven't said anything unil now, which adds more suspicions rather than puts an issue to rest.

They have more right than anyone here and if people truly cared about and thought anything of their mother, they would know how upset, shocked and horrified she would be about anyone making such accusations against her beloved sons.

 

[Skydragon]

Will Diana speculation ever end?

This is a defining moment. The core team of 10 British detectives, led by Lord Stevens, were set their task back in 2004 by the then royal coroner, Michael Burgess.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6176613.stm

Timeline: How Diana died

Key events leading up to and following the death of Princess Diana in a car crash in Paris

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6217366.stm

 

[Vanesa]

Thank you for the links, Skydragon. They are very informative and useful. And yes..you are right: Prince Harry and Prince Williams are both more than right wanting to know what really happened to their mother.

Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...

Vanesa.

 

[ysbel]

After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...

We do? That's news to me.

 

[Charlotte1]

Thank you for the links, Skydragon. They are very informative and useful. And yes..you are right: Prince Harry and Prince Williams are both more than right wanting to know what really happened to their mother.

Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...

Vanesa.

Er, no we don't! It's still all speculation, there's no definite fact as to who it was.

 

[MARG]

Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was... Vanesa.

Now, now. You know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

 

[Madame Royale]

Now, now. You know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Yet, many threads of this Forum are afflicted with the unflattering trait it seems

(Not directed at you MARG)
If William and Harry can aknowledge the findings as the truth (I really can't believe that these two young men would support the findings if they infact felt an injustice, and a grave one at that, had been committed) then why should it be so difficult for others?

I do find it sad that Diana, after almost 10 years, has still not been given the right (her right) to rest in peace. Value her memory and the good she did, appreciate her beauty for what it was and remember her in the way she deserves to be remembered but don't ponder on the unchangeable.

 

[Warren]

If William and Harry can aknowledge the findings as the truth... then why should it be so difficult for others?

That's quite simple Madame Royale.

Wiliam and Harry either/or/all of the below:
a. are part of the conspiracy-cover up;
b. are being blackmailed by the secret services;
c. have been threatened by agents with lethal syringes.

I'm sure these facts can be found on the internet somewhere. If not, they are now here.