Royal-Royal Marriages Today

[PhillyMonarchist]

Another option for little Charles could be the newborn Alix of Austria-Este, they would be quite a good match in terms of their royal and religious background. Yes, of course, they're related, but not so closely. If I'm not mistaken, they are third cousins- both great-great-grandchildren of King Leopold III and Queen Astrid

what was the degree of separation relationship wise between Elizabeth II and Phillp?

 

[JR76]

what was the degree of separation relationship wise between Elizabeth II and Phillp?

They were second cousins once removed through their shared descent from two of the children of King Christian IX of Denmark.

 

[Biri]

They were second cousins once removed through their shared descent from two of the children of King Christian IX of Denmark.

They were third cousins:

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were their commom great-grandparents.

Edward VII + Princess Alice of the United Kingdom = siblings.

George V + Princess Victoria of Hesse = first cousins.

George VI + Princess Alice of Battenberg = second cousins.

Elizabeth II + Prince Phillip of Greece and Denmark = third cousins.

 

[Prinsara]

They were third cousins:

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were their commom great-grandparents.

Edward VII + Princess Alice of the United Kingdom = siblings.

George V + Princess Victoria of Hesse = first cousins.

George VI + Princess Alice of Battenberg = second cousins.

Elizabeth II + Prince Phillip of Greece and Denmark = third cousins.

Third cousins on that side. Second cousins once removed through the Christian IX/Louise side.

Also, this has nothing to do with intra-royal marriages today or in the future, has plenty of space of its own, and shouldn't drag this thread off-topic.

 

[Prinsara]

I don't think anyone has matched them yet! And they were very cute sitting together. https://www.therealmyroyals.com/wp-...8F20-7496-4C7B-8F96-678E7C7D6008-819x1024.jpg

 

[Mbruno]

I don't think anyone has matched them yet! And they were very cute sitting together. https://www.therealmyroyals.com/wp-...8F20-7496-4C7B-8F96-678E7C7D6008-819x1024.jpg

It is not a bad match at all. They are about the same age (Elisabeth being about 9 months older) and I believe Felix speaks French. Religion might be a problem, but Felix could convert to Catholicism as Queen Astrid did.


The seating arrangement for Elisabeth was a bit odd. Amalia was seated with Princess Isabella, which is fine, and their table was closer to the main table where Christian and the Queen were seated. Elisabeth, however, was seated with Felix, who holds a lower rank than Isabella (in fact, is no longer a prince) and, watching the video, I noticed that their table was pretty far from the Queen's table, practically next to the main door entrance to the hall. Maybe Daisy did have a matchmaking plan in mind after all!


EDIT: Does anybody know if Elisabeth and Felix had ever met before? Probably not, I guess. I wonder how Felix introduced himself.

 

[Stefan]

It is not a bad match at all. They are about the same age (Elisabeth being about 9 months older) and I believe Felix speaks French. Religion might be a problem, but Felix could convert to Catholicism as Queen Astrid did.

A better match for him would be Ingrid Alexandra or Amalia and there would also be no Problems because of religion-differences.

 

[Muhler]

Does he even have to convert?
Couldn't Felix just declare himself as an atheist? I mean he would never be supposed to rule, be a regent or in any other way stand in in a constitutional capacity.

PH converted but remained a kind of Buddhist. Frederik of DK, who is supposed to head the state Lutheran church, is as far as I can gauge more of an Agnostic.

 

[Stefan]

Does he even have to convert?
Couldn't Felix just declare himself as an atheist? I mean he would never be supposed to rule, be a regent or in any other way stand in in a constitutional capacity.

PH converted but remained a kind of Buddhist. Frederik of DK, who is supposed to head the state Lutheran church, is as far as I can gauge more of an Agnostic.

No Problem, if her marries Ingrid or Amalia. But don't think this would work so well in Belgium as the belgian RF is quiet religious and there are several annual Services they attend (like the annual Mass for the deceas Family members, Te Deum at national Day etc.).

 

[Prinsara]

(...)Astrid was Lutheran. (...)

(Offered to convert, was told "it's fine", eventually did later of her own free will. I suspect if Elisabeth wants to marry someone who is not Catholic, Belgium and the BRF will have other priorities.)

 

[maria-olivia]

Princess Astrid of Sweden was lutheran when she married Prince Leopold of the Belgians. She became Catholic when Prince Baudouin , future King was born.
(...)

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

Off topic posts and comments have been removed. Let's keep the discussion civil and on-topic

 

[Prinsara]

Princess Astrid of Sweden was lutheran when she married Prince Leopold of the Belgians. She became Catholic when Prince Baudouin , future King was born.
(...)

It was even later than that, because she said it was prompted when Josephine-Charlotte started asking her religious questions she couldn't answer.

Due to King Baudouin, the family's become somewhat more devout since then, but I still feel like a non-Catholic who does not mind their children being Catholic would probably manage, so the pool for Elisabeth or any of her other siblings or cousins in this thread does not need to be unduly restricted. (Her cousin from the most Catholic part of the family married a non-Christian, after all.)

 

[Susan D]

I think that when families are very famous that the kids cannot do "posh" dating because such dating entertains tabloid readers and the paps and the tabloid journalists destroy such a romance.

 

[ronald biver]

According to the 1830 law b/w The Netherlands & Belgium (after Belgium became an independent kingdom from the Netherlands,) the law stated that there will be no marriages b/w the Dutch Royal House of Orange Nassau & the House of Sakse Coburg & Gotha. (Information from "Blauw Bloed" royal website.)

 

[ronald biver]

Further about the Dutch /Belgian royal decree,

According to the 1830 law b/w The Netherlands & Belgium (after Belgium became an independent kingdom from the Netherlands,) the law stated that there will be no marriages b/w the Dutch Royal House of Orange Nassau & the House of Sakse Coburg & Gotha. (Information from "Blauw Bloed" royal website.)

In fact, prince Gabriel of Belgium cannot marry princess Amalia of the Netherlands

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Does he even have to convert?
Couldn't Felix just declare himself as an atheist? I mean he would never be supposed to rule, be a regent or in any other way stand in in a constitutional capacity.

PH converted but remained a kind of Buddhist. Frederik of DK, who is supposed to head the state Lutheran church, is as far as I can gauge more of an Agnostic.

Felix could do it, of course. But the Belgian Royals are pretty serious Catholics. What wouldn't matter much at the Court of Denmark would be seen quite differently at Laeken...all those memorial Masses, a Mass on National Day, etc at which the attendance of Elisabeth's husband would probably be compulsory.

 

[W.Y.CII]

The seating arrangement for Elisabeth was a bit odd. Amalia was seated with Princess Isabella, which is fine, and their table was closer to the main table where Christian and the Queen were seated. Elisabeth, however, was seated with Felix, who holds a lower rank than Isabella (in fact, is no longer a prince) and, watching the video, I noticed that their table was pretty far from the Queen's table, practically next to the main door entrance to the hall.

Actually quite make sense to me, after Isabella it's Vincent, who IMO is too young to escort a foreign guests, same for Josephine. Then it's Felix, as you mentioned, they both probably speak French and are in similar age. (Joachim and Marie were already assigned to accompany the two crown prince/ss consorts Daniel and M-M.)

Maybe Daisy did have a matchmaking plan in mind after all!

Anyway maybe that's the truth!?

 

[SLV]

According to the 1830 law b/w The Netherlands & Belgium (after Belgium became an independent kingdom from the Netherlands,) the law stated that there will be no marriages b/w the Dutch Royal House of Orange Nassau & the House of Sakse Coburg & Gotha. (Information from "Blauw Bloed" royal website.)

I think that if these two would want to marry, that a 200 year old law will easily be made redundant.

 

[maria-olivia]

At our last Courtball in 1958 , King Baudouin danced with one Royal Lady: Princess Beatrix , he knew he could never marry her !

 

[BigLenny]

After hearing about the rumors of Prince Christian of Denmark dating Princess Maria Chiara of Bourbon Two-Sicilies, I think they could be a good pair. The caveat is that Maria Chiara should convert to Lutheranism and learn Danish, as Crown Princess Mary did.

Felix and Amalia are another pair I can get behind. I joked about Felix's mother Alexandra plotting this to "restore" Felix's princely title, and someone said it was a good match. As for the others, how about pairing Elisabeth with Padmanabh Singh, the titular Maharaja of Jaipur? That would be a hoot because of different religions, cultures, and the issue with royal titles.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

According to the 1830 law b/w The Netherlands & Belgium (after Belgium became an independent kingdom from the Netherlands,) the law stated that there will be no marriages b/w the Dutch Royal House of Orange Nassau & the House of Sakse Coburg & Gotha. (Information from "Blauw Bloed" royal website.)

That law doesn't state that that there will be no marriages between the houses, rather it states that members of the House of Orange-Nassau are excluded from any power in Belgium. And I would say it is very arguable that the Princess of Orange hypothetically marrying a Belgian prince would not be giving her any power in Belgium.

Their angle is the Decree Nr 5 from 1830 which forbids unions with anyone from the House of Orange-Nassau. When it comes to an engagement, without any doubt that Act will be repealed. It is not 1830 anymore (the first year of the secession of the Southern Netherlands).



https://www.hln.be/royalty/zijn-pri...ands-koningshuis-met-elkaar-trouwen~afbb63a7/

And the newspaper De Morgen also about the Decree Nr 5 of 1830:


https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/neen...30~bfbb63a7/?referrer=https://www.google.com/


Declaration of the National Congress on the perpetual exclusion of the House Orange-Nassau from all power in Belgium (Decree No 5 of November 24, 1830)

On behalf of the Belgian people,

The National Congress declares that the members of the House Orange-Nassau are, in perpetuity, excluded from any power in Belgium.



Declaration of the National Congress on the independence of the Belgian people and the exclusion of the House Orange-Nassau (24 februari 1831)

The National Congress,

Declares that it -as a constituent body- wishes to continue the Decrees of November 18 and 24, 1830, relating to the independence of the Belgian people and the exclusion, in perpetuity, of members of the House Orange-Nassau from all power in Belgium.

Entrusts the executive power with the execution of this Decree.

 

[Muhler]

After hearing about the rumors of Prince Christian of Denmark dating Princess Maria Chiara of Bourbon Two-Sicilies, I think they could be a good pair. The caveat is that Maria Chiara should convert to Lutheranism and learn Danish, as Crown Princess Mary did.

Felix and Amalia are another pair I can get behind. I joked about Felix's mother Alexandra plotting this to "restore" Felix's princely title, and someone said it was a good match. As for the others, how about pairing Elisabeth with Padmanabh Singh, the titular Maharaja of Jaipur? That would be a hoot because of different religions, cultures, and the issue with royal titles.

Should is the keyword here.
MC need not convert, but as a Catholic she could never step in as Rigsforstander as Mary sometimes do. And any children they have, especially the heir, must be brought up as a Lutheran.
So as long as MC wouldn't do a song and dance act out of being a Catholic I personally can't see why they couldn't get married - in a Lutheran ceremony.

Felix could do it, of course. But the Belgian Royals are pretty serious Catholics. What wouldn't matter much at the Court of Denmark would be seen quite differently at Laeken...all those memorial Masses, a Mass on National Day, etc at which the attendance of Elisabeth's husband would probably be compulsory.

Well, if the Belgian royals can accept a Lutheran/atheist whatever into their family, they could still be as devout Catholics as they want, Felix would merely stay at home or remain discreetly in the background during services.
Wouldn't it more be a question of what the Belgian people think?
Is there any law preventing the Belgian heir or monarch marrying someone from another branch so to speak of Christianity, so long as the monarch/heir and their offspring remain Catholic?

 

[Stefan]

Is there any law preventing the Belgian heir or monarch marrying someone from another branch so to speak of Christianity, so long as the monarch/heir and their offspring remain Catholic?

Don't think there is any Law which says that the monarch as to be cathoöic. Actually the first King Léopold I. was protestant and remained so for his life and it is only because of his marriage to an Orléans Princess that the Family became catholic.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

After hearing about the rumors of Prince Christian of Denmark dating Princess Maria Chiara of Bourbon Two-Sicilies, I think they could be a good pair. The caveat is that Maria Chiara should convert to Lutheranism and learn Danish, as Crown Princess Mary did.

Felix and Amalia are another pair I can get behind. I joked about Felix's mother Alexandra plotting this to "restore" Felix's princely title, and someone said it was a good match. As for the others, how about pairing Elisabeth with Padmanabh Singh, the titular Maharaja of Jaipur? That would be a hoot because of different religions, cultures, and the issue with royal titles.

No. He’s the titular head of the erstwhile family so I’m not sure about that. What issue of royal titles are you talking about?

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Should is the keyword here.
MC need not convert, but as a Catholic she could never step in as Rigsforstander as Mary sometimes do. And any children they have, especially the heir, must be brought up as a Lutheran.
So as long as MC wouldn't do a song and dance act out of being a Catholic I personally can't see why they couldn't get married - in a Lutheran ceremony.

Absolutely. Princess Marie of Orléans remained a Catholic after marrying Prince Valdemar of Denmark. The arrangement made for their children was that sons were to be raised in the Lutheran faith while daughters were to be raised in the Roman Catholic faith. Given the introduction of absolute primogeniture, all children of Christian and a Catholic woman would naturally be raised as Lutherans.

On the other hand, there's no doubt converting speaks volumes of someone's dedication to their new position. Given that both Mary and Marie converted, it certainly would be remarked on of that precedence wasn't followed by Christian's spouse.

 

[Prinsara]

Does anybody know if Elisabeth and Felix had ever met before? Probably not, I guess. I wonder how Felix introduced himself.

"Enchanté, I'm Christian's cousin — have you heard about my older brother and me? I'm the better-looking one... who totally didn't guilt-trip my grandmother to get seated with you. Nice dress."

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

"Enchanté, I'm Christian's cousin — have you heard about my older brother and me? I'm the better-looking one... who totally didn't guilt-trip my grandmother to get seated with you. Nice dress."

Felix has a girlfriend

 

[Prinsara]

Felix has a girlfriend

He's had girlfriends. I only disqualify people from this if they are in serious relationships like Nikolai.

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

He's had girlfriends. I only disqualify people from this if they are in serious relationships like Nikolai.

Ok got it but any girlfriend can be serious