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Let's move on and keep race out of this discussion.
I think if they decide in private they will not, it'll be announced now. See my post about concerns when Charles becomes king and the likelihood that he's going to want Camilla as Queen. NOT a good time to announce both issues. Although, can the Queen's Will apply to something that won't happen until she passes?
oh for heaven’s sake. Princess Anne never turned down Royal titles for her children-you would think the British Press would be better informed.
Makes one wonder what else they’ve gotten wrong.
I wouldn't believe anything from the media about this.
LaRae
I wouldn't be surprised if the couple chooses to have their kids be styled as that of a Duke. That was always the one reason I thought an LP wouldn't be issued. Due to the wishes of the parents.
Harry has struggled with his role in the past. He's debated whether he wants a royal role for himself. But it was his respect for the Queen, and I do think seeing how much impact he can have, that ultimately led to his decision to stay. It's still a balancing act to this day. Omid and Emily were just talking about how protective he is over Meghan. And I do agree with Omid that it's not just because of the baby. It was obvious well before there was a baby. He's well aware of the downside of the role.
I did not realize that Princess Anne did not turn titles down. I know this is not the thread to discuss this, so could you direct me to where I can learn the facts about Peter and Zara not getting titles. I would love to read about it. Thanks.
Actually I believe that the Sussexes would discuss this topic with QEII and the future monarchs, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge. ?Oh, I don't believe a word coming from the media about this. It's too early for one, and secondly, I doubt they'd discuss this with anyone but the Queen.
I believe the discussion between QE2, Charles and the Sussexes as to if and when they are, or are not HRHs and when. I also believe it is the same scenario with Harry not being a Garter Knight, and I think there is an opening, right now. I think the decision was made the Harry would be Charles’s first Garter Knight. So it take 5 or 10 years. What is that time frame in 1000 years of history. These people have the ability to look at things in a picture so big, that many of us just can’t wrap our minds around what they are a part of, and how they view their place in that picture.
Actually I believe that the Sussexes would discuss this topic with QEII and the future monarchs, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge. ?
I also think his struggles there had to do with the mental health issues he had due to his mother's death. When he began dealing with those and seeing just what kind of effect his royal role would allow him to have, he embraced it. It will be interesting to see what titles the Sussex children will have, if any. I do harbor a hope that that the Queen will issue LP for them to be Princes and Princesses.
Princess Beatrice opened a neonatal ward in Laos today but it won't be in the Court Circular as she's not a "working royal." The people of Laos may disagree: a British Princess opened their hospital.Different times, different expectations. It was unthinkable a generation ago that two blood princess wouldn't be working royals, but here we are with Bea and Eugenie. .
We don't know. That's the reason why the issue keeps coming up. Andrew's children are HRHs but not working royals. Edward's children aren't even HRHs. So we're all waiting to see what the plan is for Harry's. According to the 1917 Letters Patent they will be Earl/Lord/Lady at birth and HRH when Charles becomes King but the monarch can override the LP as the Queen did with Edward's children and William's too. Stay tuned along with the rest of us....So if I'm understanding all of this correctly, the only working royal generation Charles wants to be slimmed down is that which will be under his reign. It is not a system set in stone and will revert back to including collateral grandchildren of the monarch once William ascends?
Is that a foregone conclusion that they automatically become HRH once Charles is King? Are Edward and Sophie's kids HRH's?
I chuckled when I started discussing the BRF with a co-worker from England and quickly discovered (1) he was a republican and (2) I knew (and cared) much more about them than he did. Almost as if we were switched at birth.... [emoji1]I do chuckle when Americans, often SO keen on 'equality', and from a country where Titles are 'verboten' have a hissy fit at the mere possibility that a child of [part] American descent might [just] be denied a 'Royal Highness'..
Is that a foregone conclusion that they automatically become HRH once Charles is King?
Are Edward and Sophie's kids HRH's?
Legally she'll be Queen the moment Charles becomes King, even before he's crowned, but it appears she might not be required to use that title. For example, right now she's legally Princess of Wales but is known by one of Charles's other titles instead. So IMO if Charles doesn't issue a statement between his mother's death and Camilla's then Camilla's title would be Queen (Consort).Full disclosure, I love history and Jewelry, that being said I became interested in the BRF when Diana, Princess of Wales married Charles. When they divorced, I was not a fan of Prince Charles and Camilla. However with age and life experience I am so glad that Charles and Camilla were finally able to marry. He, she, they are so right for each other I would wish they were able to marry when they met except for the fact the William, Harry, Tom and Laura would not exist nor their children which would be a tragedy.
Being that Prince Charles implied that Camilla would be Princess Consort instead of Queen Consort which she should be, what would be her title if Queen Elizabeth died, Charles became King and Camilla died shortly afterward but before Charles was Crowned.
What would her title be, in that Charles had not been crowned and BP had not made any statement regarding how she would be addressed?
I believe she would need to be formally created Princess Consort before she could use that title since "Prince Consort" wouldn't be one of Charles's titles. But I could be wrong. As King, Charles might have the right to simply decide the title she is known by through more informal means, similar to the press announcement that was made regarding the Wessex children. But whatever the process Camilla would still legally be Queen Consort.That's what I wondered, if they would go through with the paperwork to demote her to Princess Consort or allow her to be buried with her rightful title of Queen Consort.
The tabloids will do what they have always done and call her whatever they want to, with no regard for the facts or even the bounds of human decency.Osipi, I know legally that she would be Queen Consort, what I'm asking is if she were to die before BP had put out a statement regarding her title what would she be called in death, by the Monarchy King Charles, the papers tabloid included and the public?
When Charles becomes King - which as Osipi has said will be the instant the Queen dies - Camilla becomes Queen.
At his accession council, later that day or the next day, he may ask the government of the day to pas the necessary legislation to strip her of that title so he can issue LPs for her to be Princess Consort - or use some other mechanism.
Her only title, as the wife of the King, is Queen.
As the wife of the Prince of Wales she had a choice of may titles but as the wife of the King there is only one title for her.
Mr Blair made it clear, in 2005, that she would be Queen and the only way to deny her that title was by legislation. That means that the first thing that has to happen once Charles is King is for the parliament to pass legislation demoting his wife. It may even need legislation in all the realms that have to pass their own legislation which could be fun.
I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but popularity is a fickle thing.
For example we shouldn’t forget how for many years Andrew was the celebrated war hero while Sarah was seen as a breath of fresh air.
The couple was very popular and seen as more easygoing and less stuffy that the Waleses.
Things can change quickly.
If Meghan had any issues with the idea of her children having a title she would not of married into a family that does titles.
LaRae
Let's back up a little bit, who leaked the news about their children not having title at all?The Yorks' popularity changed because of their own behavior and decisions, and character issues.
I guess everyone has seen the leaked news that Harry & Meghan are not interested in their children having any royal titles, and are even considering no titles for them at all. I am not surprised about M&H not giving their children HRH Prince/Princess titles, but I will be surprised if the Sussexes decide to go the route of Princess Anne, with no titles for their children whatsoever.
I understand how Prince Harry feels (especially since he chafed at being called a Prince), but I doubt Meghan necessarily feels it would be a burden for her children to be styled Lord/Lady.