HRH Alfonso Duke of Cadiz and María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco: 8 March 1972

[Sensibility]

1789 (french revolution)
1989 (Alfonso of Borbon- relative of Louis XVI)

I have not more to say...

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Alfonso and Maria del Carmen before the minister
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[Blog Real]

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[Tatiana Maria]

the match was a controversial in first place because the wedding invitations adress the princes HRH prince of bourbon where there's no such thing in spain its prince of austurias or infante or (prince of spain in case of juan carlos before become king)
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• carmen was treated as princess her grandmother insist they bow before her and serve her before herself who was the first lady
• alfonso ambition to be second in line to the throne and the title prince of bourbon was a debate and in the end juan carlos persuade for his father to let franco give alfonso title duke of cardiz as use in royal dynast like by his great great grandfather and the style of HRH

Indeed. And Franco's decree (which was accepted by the Count of Barcelona, head of the Royal House) formally recognizing Don Alfonso as HRH and bestowing on him the dukedom of Cádiz was not published until November 1972.

https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-1972-52385

At the time of his wedding to Carmen, however, Don Alfonso was only recognized as an Excellency by the Count of Barcelona, since his mother was not of equal birth and the marriage of his parents was morganatic under the old laws. General Franco, by contrast, accepted Alfonso and his brother as HRH Prince.

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/sp_succ.htm#juan1972

 

[Mbruno]

Indeed. And Franco's decree (which was accepted by the Count of Barcelona, head of the Royal House) formally recognizing Don Alfonso as HRH and bestowing on him the dukedom of Cádiz was not published until November 1972.

https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-1972-52385

At the time of his wedding to Carmen, however, Don Alfonso was only recognized as an Excellency by the Count of Barcelona, since his mother was not of equal birth and the marriage of his parents was morganatic under the old laws. General Franco, by contrast, accepted Alfonso and his brother as HRH Prince.

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/sp_succ.htm#juan1972

I was reading the linked decree by Franco and it mentions that the style of HRH is extended to Alfonso's "consort and direct descendants". However, neither Luis Alfonso de Borbón, the self-proclaimed Duke of Anjou, nor his mother currently bear the style of HRH in Spain.



Should we interpret that Franco's decree has been overridden by the Transitional Provision #3 of the Royal Decree 1368/1987 ? Just to clarify, the aforementioned RD says:

Los miembros de la familia del Rey Don Juan Carlos I de Borbón, que en la actualidad tuviesen reconocido el uso de un título de la Casa Real y el tratamiento de Alteza Real, podrán conservarlo con carácter vitalicio, pero no sus consortes ni descendientes.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Should we interpret that Franco's decree has been overridden by the Transitional Provision #3 of the Royal Decree 1368/1987 ?

Yes, that was the intent of the provision in the Royal Decree 1368/1987.

Unfortunately, I can no longer find the source, but as I recall, a Spanish poster on another forum stated that there is a story circulating in Spain that the decree of 1987 was issued due to a rumor in the 1980s that Alfonso intended to remarry.

 

[Blog Real]

Video:

 

[An Ard Ri]

I believe the wedding was the first time the Groom's father Infante Jaime,Duke of Segovia had set foot in Spain in over 40 years and was given special permission to do so by General Franco.
The Groom was a grandson of King Alfonso XIII of Spain and was given the title Duke of Cadiz on November 22nd, 1972.

 

[maria-olivia]

Were the Duke and Duchess of Cadiz TRHH ?
Their Son is not .

 

[Lindy]

No, Luis Alfonso never accepted the second husband, Jean Marie Rossi, of his mother, as it was the cause of the break of the marriage between his parents. He did not accept Jose Campos, at the beginning, because he is 15 years younger than his mom and he is suspicious of this marriage.

His father, HRH Alfonso Duke of Cadiz, was engaged to Constanza of Austria at the time of his passing. Was the engagement public knowledge prior to his death?

When Constanza went on to marry Franz Josef Auersperg-Trautson, Luis Alfonso was an attendant at her wedding. So apparently, LA accepted his father's fiancé, unlike his mother's choice of spouses.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

His father, HRH Alfonso Duke of Cadiz, was engaged to Constanza of Austria at the time of his passing. Was the engagement public knowledge prior to his death?

When Constanza went on to marry Franz Josef Auersperg-Trautson, Luis Alfonso was an attendant at her wedding. So apparently, LA accepted his father's fiancé, unlike his mother's choice of spouses.

Because his father the Infante Don Jaime renounced all his rights, for himself and for his descendants, his son Don Alfonso never was HRH or an Infante.

Then Don Alfonso became engaged with Franco's daughter. On the occasion of his marriage commitment, Franco wanted to grant Don Alfonso the title of Prince of Spain with the treatment of Royal Highness, but Don Juan and Don Juan Carlos flatly refused.

The intermediate solution that was reached was to grant Don Alfonso the Dukedom of Cadiz with the personal treatment of Royal Highness. In this way, the HRH that the new Duke had not received by his birth were received by 'obra y gracia' of the Caudillo.

 

[An Ard Ri]

And the Duke of Cádiz title was only for life and reverted back to the Crown in 1989 was not awarded since.

 

[maria-olivia]

This Wedding was decided , there was absolutely no love.
When their late Son had his Holy Communion , the Priest refused to give it to his Mother Carmen !

 

[JR76]

When their late Son had his Holy Communion , the Priest refused to give it to his Mother Carmen !

Because of the divorce?

 

[An Ard Ri]

Because of the divorce?

More than likely yes and no bending of the rules for Franco's daughter either!

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Because his father the Infante Don Jaime renounced all his rights, for himself and for his descendants, his son Don Alfonso never was HRH or an Infante.

Even if his father had never renounced, Don Alfonso would not have been an HRH or an Infante under the laws of the monarchy before its abolition (laws which were still conformed to by the heads of the family in exile), because his mother was not of royal birth.

In fact, the former King Alfonso pressured his son the former Infante Don Jaime to contract an "unequal" marriage, in order that his descendants would be eliminated twice from the succession, by virtue of unequal marriage as well as renunciation.

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/sp_succ.htm#juan1972

And the Duke of Cádiz title was only for life and reverted back to the Crown in 1989 was not awarded since.

The intermediate solution that was reached was to grant Don Alfonso the Dukedom of Cadiz with the personal treatment of Royal Highness.

According to the decree of General Franco, the right to use the title Duke of Cádiz and the HRH were hereditary in Don Alfonso's descent and also extended to his spouse:

https://boe.es/boe/dias/1972/11/25/pdfs/A21033-21033.pdf

"[...] he tenido a bien concederle la facultad de usar en España el título de Duque de Cádiz, con el tratamiento de Alteza Real, cuyo título y tratamiento ostentarán igualmente su cónyuge y descendientes directos."

("[...] I have the pleasure to confer on him the right to use in Spain the title of Duke of Cádiz, with the form of address of Royal Highness, which title and form of address shall also be borne by his spouse and direct descendants.")
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Only after Franco's death did King Juan Carlos, by his royal decree of November 12, 1987, confine the dukedom and HRH to Alfonso's personal use.