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I think if it's a boy he will be the heir..
aryo said:I got confused.
felipe would be the king in 10 years,so in 10 years he would have his complete number of children he want.so if this baby is girl,they won't change the law,but if the next baby was boy,what would happen?they will wait until he become king?in 2008 there is an election why do they held a referandum and change the law?
BMOlivera said:The following is my alternate translation of this article.
Sabino Fernandez Campo, former head of household for His Majesty the King, demonstrated today that he would support constitutional reform that would permit a female to ascend to the throne only when the current Prince of Asturias becomes King.
Fernandez Campo, in Tenerife to participate in a conference concerning the Monarchy and the Constitution, part of the presentation organized by the Parliament in the Canary Islands commemorating the centennial of the visit to the Canary Islands by Alfonso XII, suggested that constitutional reform requires extreme measures (requisitos severos).
He explained that it would be necessary to dissolve the Courts and convene a referendum, which is difficult for a government in power to find an opportune moment to do.
In his opinion, this reform must be broached with prudence and calm, and affirmed that in the event that Princess Letizia were to give birth to another female, it would not complicate matters, since there would be time to implement reforms permitting Infanta Leonor to succeed to the throne.
In the event that the child whom Princess Letizia now expects is a male, matters, he acknowledged, would be more complicated, since he would inherit a present right to the Crown upon his birth.
He recalled that the Council of State has given retroactive application to prior constitutional amendments, but in his opinion, while such changes might not have judicial or legal effect, they might have a moral effect.
If a change were enacted giving a female heir comparable rights of inheritance, one wonders why the Infanta Elena would not inherit those rights.
Princess Robijn said:Wouldn't this be the same as in Norway? (Crown Prince Haakon & Princess Märtha-Louise) so it is possible
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2476981_2,00.htmlSpain: equal rights
In the dark heart of machismo shines a beacon of sexual equalitry
Thomas Catan, Madrid
In 30 years Spanish women have gone from being mere chattels to the most liberated in Europe. They are even on the road signs
NI_MPU('middle');They make up half the Spanish population but have yet to appear on a single coin. Now MPs are preparing to pass a bill stipulating that 50 per cent of Spain’s euro coins must bear a woman’s image.
“For women, this is absolutely fundamental,” said Elvira Cortajarena, the Socialist MP sponsoring the measure. “We need our work to be recognised and valued.”
In Fuenlabrada, a commuter town on the outskirts of Madrid, authorities are taking aim at other perceived symbols of male domination. The town council has decreed that half of the street signs should show a recognisably female figure. New signs at pedestrian crossings show a stick figure with a skirt and a pony tail, rather than the traditional striding man. “The idea is to change the male signs for female ones as they deteriorate,” said Rosalina Guijarro, the town’s traffic and safety councillor. “That way we will end the sexism that has existed in traffic signs.”
All over Spain, long considered the spiritual home of machismo, debate is raging about gender equality in a way that has not been heard in other European countries since the 1970s.
Efforts to give the country’s coins and street signs a female face have been met with some derision by conservatives as evidence of political correctness gone mad. But those symbolic moves are being accompanied by one of the most ambitious efforts to promote gender equality seen in decades.
Source: Times database
ZandraRae said:As I have posted on this forum before in the Swedish thread, IMO the firstborn, whether male or female should inherit the throne. In the case of the Spanish Royal Family, that person should be Infanta Leonor. I do hope that the law will be changed and that Leonor will be queen one day.
Mari_* said:So, according to this we could take for a fact that Leonor is the heiress to the Spanish throne.. ¿?
Duke of Marmalade said:At the moment it's a fact - provided that Letizia does not give birth to a boy before a reform of the constitution.
So if there is no boy, Leonor will be Queen anyway, even without a reform. If there is a boy, he will be heir until a reform.
I am sure the reform will come as everybody, public, politicians and SRF want Leonor or the first born in general to be heir, no matter what gender (Felipe's generation excluded of course).
Leonor's christening already marked the first step of her upbringing as heir, with King and Queen as godparents, all important people present and making use of the baptismal font that is only reserved for the heir to the throne. I expect Sofia's christening a much more private and low key event, looking forward to it
mapian said:You are right, but you make a mistake: baptismal font is reserved for the "infantes" (princes) of Spain not only for the heir to the throne. Sofía also will use this font.
I think spanish people will not admit that Leonor will not be queen.
Duke of Marmalade said:Oh yes you are right. Got confused here. Do we know if the baptism will take place in the palace or at Zarzuela?
Even if F & L will have a boy, I have the feeling that Leonor should be Queen and the constitution should be changed. But as you mentioned in another post, it will be tricky for many reasons and in the end the SRF fears either a change to their role or abolishment, worst case cenario. It's no secret that there are public movements / politicians who want to get rid of / cut powers of the monarchy who will try to use this long awaited once in a lifetime opportunity for their own purposes.
dazzling said:I totally agree, male or female, they should be the next to the throne
Duke of Marmalade said:But as you mentioned in another post, it will be tricky for many reasons and in the end the SRF fears either a change to their role or abolishment, worst case cenario. It's no secret that there are public movements / politicians who want to get rid of / cut powers of the monarchy who will try to use this long awaited once in a lifetime opportunity for their own purposes.
Duke of Marmalade said:Some countries in Europe still prefer the male heir but I think the reasons why this was once established are out of date today. Best example is the Netherlands with their very popular Queens in the past generations. I have no doubt that Princess Anne or Infanta Elena - provided they had received the same education as their younger brothers - would be very capable to do the "top job".
What I sometimes think is that it might be more difficult for a future Queen to find a suitable spouse as men in general are more reluctant to fit into the consort role as for society it's more natural to see a woman there. It's somehow fixed in our minds since it has been mostly the case in the past centuries - with some exceptions of course.
There were / are great male consorts around but they all admitted that their life was not easy in the shadow of a Queen, just think of Prince Philip, Prince Claus or Prince Bernhard. They all had their difficulties with their role and I imagine that - in case they get married - Daniel Westling's task won't be exactly easy either. But maybe society will have moved on regarding this issue once Leonor is old enough to chose her partner.
Some countries in Europe still prefer the male heir but I think the reasons why this was once established are out of date today. Best example is the Netherlands with their very popular Queens in the past generations. I have no doubt that Princess Anne or Infanta Elena - provided they had received the same education as their younger brothers - would be very capable to do the "top job".
What I sometimes think is that it might be more difficult for a future Queen to find a suitable spouse as men in general are more reluctant to fit into the consort role as for society it's more natural to see a woman there. It's somehow fixed in our minds since it has been mostly the case in the past centuries - with some exceptions of course.
There were / are great male consorts around but they all admitted that their life was not easy in the shadow of a Queen, just think of Prince Philip, Prince Claus or Prince Bernhard. They all had their difficulties with their role and I imagine that - in case they get married - Daniel Westling's task won't be exactly easy either. But maybe society will have moved on regarding this issue once Leonor is old enough to chose her partner.