Crown Princess Masako's adjustment disorder


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It is certainly very unfair and to an accomplished woman like the Crown Princess such a sexist policy must seem positively antediluvian.:bang:
Since she is Japanese I am sure she understands the policy quite well.
 
Since she is Japanese I am sure she understands the policy quite well.
I would not be so certain. Contemporanean societies are hardly ever monolithic. Japan´s society most certainly isn´t.
If you have never had the experience of the majority in your country advocating something that, by you standards, is a) antediluvian, b) barbarian or c) too stupid to be true, I sincerely congratulate you. You are a lucky man. Unfortunately, I have had this experience lots of times. :ermm:
And I do not see how we can be sure that Princess Masako has remained free from it.
 
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To describe her visits to the survivors of the earthquake and tsunami as "token appearances" gives the impression that her heart wasn't in it. Given the nature of her illness, it's remarkable that she was able to make visits in this highly stressful situation at all.

Has she truly resumed public life or did she make a few token appearances and then go back into hiding?
 
To describe her visits to the survivors of the earthquake and tsunami as "token appearances" gives the impression that her heart wasn't in it. Given the nature of her illness, it's remarkable that she was able to make visits in this highly stressful situation at all.
I agree with you. And judging from the facial expression of the princess (especially in this pic) I am quite convinced that her heart WAS in it. To me, it is the compassionate expression of someone who knows by experience what suffering means.
Of course, this is pure speculation on my part but I am asking myself if this sort of engagement is not really a blessing for her because she feels that her being authentic is needed. I guess that the worst for her are such appearances where all she has to do is pretend and smile like some sort of puppet. :ermm: Others may think that this is the easier task and maybe for some it is, but IMO not for the crown princess. (And that may be the main problem.)
 
To describe her visits to the survivors of the earthquake and tsunami as "token appearances" gives the impression that her heart wasn't in it. Given the nature of her illness, it's remarkable that she was able to make visits in this highly stressful situation at all.


I don't mean to sound harsh, but if she cannot do these things, and if her husband must continue to make every trip and public appearance on his own, then perhaps he should step aside. He could take his family into the private sector where nothing would be expected of them, and perhaps that would eliminate all pressure and she would make a full recovery.

(I know it is not advice I should give; I am not Japanese. But I don't see how this current situation is satisfactory for anybody: the Imperial family, the IHA, or the Japanese people. JMO).
 
then perhaps he should step aside.

I note that your post is rather sympathetic to their situation, but a Crown Prince who is entirely capable of fulfilling his obligations as heir and eventual Emperor has no reason to step aside.

Masako's condition seems rather chronic and it may be that her function as Empress will only ever be one to wave from the balcony and attend important state events. As a possibility, Princess Toshi may become her mothers step in when her father succeeds (in some manner or form) should Masako's health remain fragile.

But again, I don't believe the Naruhito should need to abdicate. That's no light decision to make and he has spent his entire life knowing his destiny.
 
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From what I've seen of Naruhito, he seems to be a jolly kind of chap.

I thought it was rather sporting of him to turn up at the Swedish Wedding.

And as long as there is mutual love and respect, most things can be managed.
 
We forget that Japanese have different value system than us. For them, duty is more important than personal sastisfaction. CP Naruhito will not abdicate, because it has a strong sense of duty to his country and Imperial family. He was raised to be Imperor, and, if need, will make sacrifice. That's why this situation, his wife's illness, is so difficult for him. He is divided between joy of his family and responsibility for his country.



I apologize for any mistakes, because I do not speak English so well.
 
Ok, just to throw this out there I AM NOT MAKING THIS SUGGESTION, but if Naruhito had to choose between his duty, being Crown Prince and Emperor, and his personal happiness, remaining married to a woman who is not doing his position and family any favors, should Naruhito be forced to make a decision?
Also, is there any indication that Masako's problems even cause a problem for the other members of the family or do they just deal with it?
 
My thoughts exactly when I saw the same picture. She looks like she's listening with her heart and not just her ears.

I am quite convinced that her heart WAS in it. To me, it is the compassionate expression of someone who knows by experience what suffering means.
 
Yes, and it's my impression that the community is more important than the individual.

We forget that Japanese have different value system than us. For them, duty is more important than personal sastisfaction.
 
My thoughts exactly when I saw the same picture. She looks like she's listening with her heart and not just her ears.
I guessed as much when I read your comment in the "Current events"-thread. :flowers:
Bye the bye, I just now discovered your "thanks" for the collage of pics. You are very welcome. :)
 
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Is it my imagination or is there a disproportionate number of females to males in the royal houses today?
 
are you talking in generally? if so, yes there are more females in number than males on the new generation. but if you can see on the generation of their parents, there was more males.
British Queen had 3 boys and 1 girl, Japan's Emperor had 2 boys and 1 girl, Dutch Queen had 3 boys, Danish Queen had 2 boys, Belgium King had 2 boys and 1 girl, Norwegen King had 1 boy and 1 girl, Liechtenstein sovereign prince had 3 boys and 1 girl.
only Spain and Sweden had 2 girls and 1 boy, but still they had at least a boy.
 
Is it my imagination or is there a disproportionate number of females to males in the royal houses today?


I don't know about disproportinate, but it does seem as if most of the current heirs are female. (Or will be in the next generation: Spain, Sweden, The Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, etc.)
 
Stories spiked despite journalism's mission to inform | The Japan Times Online
For years, a bride-hunting committee of the Imperial Household Agency (IHA) had been searching for someone to share the world's oldest inherited job with Crown Prince Naruhito. Close to 100 women were reportedly introduced to the shy, guppy-loving prince, but it was Masako Owada who caught his eye.
For reasons that have since become obvious, the Oxford-educated diplomat was in no rush to scrap her career and walk three steps behind the prince for the rest of her life.
Indeed, they had met as early as 1986, but she is said to have repeatedly spurned his approaches before relenting in December 1992, reportedly after pressure from both her diplomat father and even Empress Michiko.
The wedding was scheduled for June 1993, but how was it to be kept secret? No problem — the IHA demanded and got a vow of silence from the massed ranks of the big Japanese media.
So, although the story was an open secret among journalists in Tokyo, it was not until early 1993 that it was "scooped" in the media — by T.R. Reid of The Washington Post.
A decade later, rumors began to circulate about Princess Masako's mental well-being.
With the Imperial taboo fading, Japanese magazines carried anonymously sourced articles that even suggested she had suffered a nervous breakdown and wanted out of her marriage. But those journalists officially accredited to cover the IHA, who had heard rumors that she was being treated for depression, steered clear.
In May 2004, when The Times (London) newspaper ran a story headlined "The Depression of a Princess," it was initially condemned, then accepted, by royal watchers in the Japanese media.
As Richard Lloyd Parry, the paper's Tokyo-based Asia Editor who wrote that story, said at the time: "Japanese journalists knew all about (Princess) Masako's illness and it didn't surprise any of them when I spoke to them."
Many also suspected that the princess had received fertility treatment to conceive the now 10-year-old Princess Aiko. However, that story too — despite having been published in many foreign news outlets — was off-limits, and Japan's media was happy to accept the IHA's denials that that was the case.
"Journalists who inquired about the rumor to the IHA were told to expect trouble if they ran it," recalls Yasunori Okadome, editor of the now-defunct magazine Uwasa no Shinso.
 
I wonder what sort of "trouble" that could possibly be? Thugs from the IHA showing up in black suits?;)


"Journalists who inquired about the rumor to the IHA were told to expect trouble if they ran it," recalls Yasunori Okadome, editor of the now-defunct magazine Uwasa no Shinso.
 
I wonder what sort of "trouble" that could possibly be? Thugs from the IHA showing up in black suits?;)

In Western countries, it generally means cut off from official sources, but I doubt that's the case in Japan, since Kasumi's post suggests there's no access to official sources anyway.

That's a mistake on their part, IMO. It is a question of credibility; if the IHA constantly denies stories later proved true, then everything they say will be ignored, and it will be open season in the press!

Instead of denial, they should try to spin the stories so they have a positive rather than a negative impact. (Masako's fertility treatment, for example, would create sympathy if it was presented as her great desire to have a child).
 
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Agreed. The IHA definitely has an image problem.

Instead of denial, they should try to spin the stories so they have a positive rather than a negative impact. (Masako's fertility treatment, for example, would create sympathy if it was presented as her great desire to have a child).
 
I wonder what sort of "trouble" that could possibly be? Thugs from the IHA showing up in black suits?;)

There is, for example, the famous story of photographer Toshiaki Nakayama. In 1990, he took a very nice pic of the Akishino couple while they were preparing for their wedding photo, a pic that the IHA thought was inappropriate. When the photo was distributed for publication, the agency issued a vehement protest. Instead of supporting Nakayama, his peers at the press club denounced him. Disillusioned with the state of Japanese journalism, the photographer resigned from the wire service nine months later.

As the article states, there are incidents that seem to indicate that there might be a problem with the freedom of Japanese media in general. See for example the following story:
My wife Keiko and I host a weekly talk show on local radio in Western Tokyo that tries to take a jaundiced, opinionated approach to the clash of East versus West. Just before Christmas 2000 we talked briefly about a trip we had made a year earlier to Nanjing in China, the site of a notorious massacre by the Japanese imperial army at the end of 1937. […] Thirty minutes after the show was broadcast, three members of a local "political group" arrived at the studio and asked to see the management. […] Two days later the senior station manager called a meeting. [...] He said we would need to apologize over the air for the Nanjing comment. If we didn't, the men and their friends would drive their gaisensha, or black sound trucks, outside our sponsors (two ramen, or Chinese noodle, restaurants, a bar, and a couple of real estate agents) and harass them until they withdrew their support. Violence was unlikely, but he couldn't rule it out. He apologized again for asking us to apologize. He handed us a sheet of paper the station had prepared for us to read on the next show. It said that we humbly apologized for the "inappropriate comments" (futekisetsu na hyogen ) we had made the previous week.

My wife and I were stunned. Far from being angry at a crude, thuggish attempt to shut down a public discussion, the station's management had gone along with the rightist's suggestions and upped the ante, out-censoring the censors by requesting an end to all political discussion. While we argued over the next couple of days about whether to call the station's bluff, about a dozen faxes arrived at the studio in response to our comments, all of them supportive. [...] All messages ended with pleas to continue, to take courage, and to stick it out. ...
In the weeks following the uyoku visit, there were two more incidents of censorship at the radio station. […] When we challenged him [the station director] on this he said that his role, as the director of a small radio station, was to protect the jobs of himself and his staff, not to support abstract concepts of free speech. He couldn't do this if the uyoku bankrupted him.
The imperial family seems to be one of the main taboo themes for the media:
The heavy hand of the Imperial Household Agency ensures that salaried journalists self-censor reports to portray an airbrushed view of the Emperor and the Imperial Family. And newspaper editorial writers better start looking for a new job if they even consider writing a piece questioning the relevance of the monarchy in today’s world.
One has to know that there is an “Imperial Household Agency press club”. The journalists registered in this club have exclusive access to briefings by agency officials and imperial family members, and usually prepare their questions collectively before submitting them for vetting, shunning most sensitive issues. If they do not cooperate to the satisfaction of the IHA, they lose their membership in the press club. As a result, those journalists of the inner circle know a lot but they are not free to write it. “I probably put in writing less than one-tenth of one-percent of what I see and hear.“, said one of these journalists. „For a writer, that’s a kind of torture. It’s a real struggle to slow yourself down and just learn to watch.” And sometimes when they cannot bear it any longer they leak their information to the Western media... (For more about the imperial press system see this blog.)

And incidentally, Mirabel, there is a writer and media commentator, Naoki Inose, who would quite agree with you in that the IHA is not especially good as a public relations agency. Inose „believes that the bureaucrats of the Imperial Household Agency made a serious mistake by forcing Masako into a conservative role. At the time of her marriage to Naruhito, Masako was seen as figure to whom modern Japanese women could relate. An intelligent and internationally minded working woman, she was the Imperial family's chance to renew itself for the times.”
 
I wonder how Japanese people think about the work of the IHA?Or maybe they have other worries now than the Imperial family...

Here´s a relatively new article dealing with Princess Masako:Japan's troubled royals put up a brave front | The Japan Times Online
I don´t give up hope that she will find special people who can support her to recover and regain her strength and confidence.If she had more influence and freedom of action she could be a driving force of change to modernize the Royal family and make it more appealing to a younger audience.What I have heard,most people in Japan don´t feel a strong connection with the Imperial family...
 
I wonder how Japanese people think about the work of the IHA?Or maybe they have other worries now than the Imperial family...
Well, I think one would have to consider that it is probably the IHA´s goal to convey a certain image to the public without the public even becoming aware that it is a manipulated image, not necessarily the reality. At least for those Japanese who rely on Japanese media for their information, I´d suppose that it works, for the reasons explained in my previous post. See also the following story from another forum:
One of my best friends is half-Japanese and he told me that none of his extended family in Tokyo has any idea of what the IHA is really like. He sent them some stuff I'd written as well as various news paper articles from Western papers and they couldn't believe it. They seriously could NOT and would NOT believe it. So, he kept sending them stuff I dug up and finally, they started to question all the things they'd been fed in their domestic papers. One of the more liberal Japanese papers occasionally prints stuff in support of opening up the Imperial Family (and that's as far as they dare go) but my friend's family just thought they were being "troublemakers." Their words, not mine. They really thought that Masako was just being lazy and not following her duty because that was the gist they had gotten from a famous royal observer/journalist (who is the IHA's pet and favorite source to leak to.)
Here´s a relatively new article dealing with Princess Masako:Japan's troubled royals put up a brave front | The Japan Times Online
I don´t give up hope that she will find special people who can support her to recover and regain her strength and confidence.If she had more influence and freedom of action she could be a driving force of change to modernize the Royal family and make it more appealing to a younger audience.What I have heard,most people in Japan don´t feel a strong connection with the Imperial family...
On one hand there definitely seem to be concerns that the IF could become irrelevant, especially with younger people.

“Interest in the Imperial Family in Japan is low and declining. Most young people do not even know the name of the man who is married to Princess Masako.” Source

“`I dare say that youngsters have not much interest in or knowledge of the Imperial Family's background and history, or even the Emperor as a symbolic ruler,´said Takao Toshikawa, a Tokyo-based political analyst." Source

"The Japanese Imperial family is undergoing a quiet crisis. [...] A long-term problem is that, if not actively disliked, more and more the Imperial family is simply ignored. Some commentators believe that public indifference to the Imperial family is the result of its growing irrelevance to modern Japan. They say it needs to find a new role for itself before the Japanese public loses interest completely." Source

On the other hand, polls use to show that the approval rate for the imperial family is still very high. Maybe one could try to sum things up by saying that the attitude of the majority of Japanese towards their royals is one of friendly disinterest. ;) But, of course, it is always dangerous to make generalizations regarding the views of such a quantity of people. I have noticed that while the public battles among members of the imperial family may indeed not help the reputation of the monarchy, they definitely seem to give (at least some) people a feeling that they can relate to what emperor and empress, princes and princesses are going through.

Jin Ito, editor in chief of Shukan Josei, a variety magazine for women said,
Articles on the imperial family are widely read because such ordinary problems as child-rearing and delicate relations with in-laws that seem to plague the imperial family make readers feel relieved. The difficult environment facing the crown princess is being viewed as a result of generational conflicts with the traditional way of life at the imperial family. Women in their 30s and 40s, who are our readership base, naturally relate to the problems facing Masako.
Asahi staff writer Hiroshi Matsubara seems to suggest that while women of Masako´s age group tend to sympathize with the crown princess, elder women who belong to the generation of her mother-in-law are prone to criticizing Masako. He quotes a 68-year-old woman in Yachiyo, Chiba Prefecture who compares the situation in her own family to that of Japan´s royals:
"I put up with a lot of things while living together with my parents-in-law for over 40 years, but I took care of them until they died at 90 and 98," she said. "But my son and daughter-in-law visit our place twice a year at most, although I and my husband desperately want to see our granddaughters."

She said her son and daughter-in-law never really consulted her on big decisions, such as working after giving birth.
"They may say it is a generation thing, but if anybody in a family is too self-oriented and assertive, the relationship among the entire family may go bad. I guess even the imperial family is no exception. I feel kind of relieved because it looks like even they have similar problems that we have."
In traditional Asian families, elderly parents use to have a very strong position and their children and children-in-law are expected to treat them with high respect, to follow their advice and not make much of the sacrifices that may be requested of them (i. e. the children).
But times change, apparently also in Japan.
 
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There is, for example, the famous story of photographer Toshiaki Nakayama. In 1990, he took a very nice pic of the Akishino couple while they were preparing for their wedding photo, a pic that the IHA thought was inappropriate. When the photo was distributed for publication, the agency issued a vehement protest. Instead of supporting Nakayama, his peers at the press club denounced him. Disillusioned with the state of Japanese journalism, the photographer resigned from the wire service nine months later.

You have got this story wrong! The photographer did indeed take this photo at the Akishino wedding. The photo was printed in the Japanese press, the IHA press office thought the photo too informal and intimate and wouldn't allow the photo to be released to the western press. A British journalist wrote a story about it as an example of press censorship in Japan when it came to the western press organisations. The Japanese photographer had his credentials revoked (by the IHA press office, he wasn't denounced!) But this is an old, old story for goodness sake, it was over 20 years ago! Not even IHA press office officials are immortal and they do retire! So what was considered inappropriate over 20 years ago was the judgement of that time, considering the picture is around it certainly wasn't complete censorship! And in 1990 it was published in Japan!

Yes there does exist a press club for interviewing the Imperial Family, BUT there also exists a press club for politicians as well! One of the major complaints that Foreign correspondents in Japan have is that the Japanese press club is a 'closed shop' meaning that non Japanese journalists have no access to Japanese politicians press conferences, it's not just the Imperial Family ones.

Originally Posted by Mirabel
Instead of denial, they should try to spin the stories so they have a positive rather than a negative impact. (Masako's fertility treatment, for example, would create sympathy if it was presented as her great desire to have a child).

This needs to be seen in the context of Japanese society, Japan has one of the developed world's lowest uptake of IVF. There is a huge amount of shame and 'it's not natural' around it. Couples would rather not have children then go through IVF. Plus factor in too, the privacy issues. Masako after her miscarriage commented in a birthday interview that she was not happy about the way the media had discussed her medical problems. This message is still coming through now in regards to the media (and message board!) discussion of her current mental health problems. Her desire to preserve some kind of privacy in her life and it not be served up on a platter to all to comment on. She's not going to be the poster child for infertility or mental health issues as these are invasions of her privacy.

One of my best friends is half-Japanese and he told me that none of his extended family in Tokyo has any idea of what the IHA is really like. He sent them some stuff I'd written as well as various news paper articles from Western papers and they couldn't believe it. They seriously could NOT and would NOT believe it. So, he kept sending them stuff I dug up and finally, they started to question all the things they'd been fed in their domestic papers.

But you're assuming what you're finding out in the western press (which also uses tabloid information from some Asian although not Japanese sources) as accurate information!! If non Japanese media have no access to the Imperial Family and the press office won't speak to them, then they are reliant on second hand information with no way of knowing exactly how accurate it is! It becomes a game of Chinese whispers with tabloid information being passed on as real information.
 
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http://transnews.exblog.jp/2475442In traditional Asian families, elderly parents use to have a very strong position and their children and children-in-law are expected to treat them with high respect, to follow their advice and not make much of the sacrifices that may be requested of them (i. e. the children).
But times change, apparently also in Japan.


Yes; it sounds as if that woman who put up with catering to her in-laws for many years feels quite a bit of resentment- more like a feeling of entitlement that now it's her turn to make her daughter-in-law miserable!

I'm glad things are changing to that extent. :flowers:
 
... it sounds as if that woman who put up with catering to her in-laws for many years feels quite a bit of resentment- more like a feeling of entitlement that now it's her turn to make her daughter-in-law miserable!
Honestly, I have received the same impression as you. It is, of course, important to respect ancient wisdom and tradition but, as you say, this should not serve as an excuse to pass on misery from generation to generation.
 
Honestly, I have received the same impression as you. It is, of course, important to respect ancient wisdom and tradition but, as you say, this should not serve as an excuse to pass on misery from generation to generation.


Some traditions should be discarded.

And I'm no believer in the premise that wisdom automatically comes with age.
If someone is mean and stupid when young, it's my belief s/he'll be mean and stupid when old! ;)
 
Some traditions should be discarded.

And I'm no believer in the premise that wisdom automatically comes with age.
If someone is mean and stupid when young, it's my belief s/he'll be mean and stupid when old! ;)
That is indeed true. ;) Although all people have imo the inherent potential to change for the better, a lot of them do not seem to especially care to make any use of this potential...:ermm:

I just wanted to express that I think it also important to shun the other extreme: things are not necessarily good because they are new or modern. Sometimes so-called modern things can be pretty silly or cruel, too.

Besides, I appreciate it that the crown prince and princess make a point of getting their daughter acquainted with traditional Japanese customs, such as pounding mochi (a Japanese rice cake), playing Hanetsuki (Japanese traditional game, similar to badminton) and cards, and also calligraphy practice. Cultural heritage can represent an important form of wealth. But that does not mean that it would be necessary to preserve customs that tend to bring out the very worst in people (like the one we have been talking about).
 
This article (Understanding Japan's complexities) in the Indian business newspaper „The Hindu Business Line takes a look at the dynamics of modern Japanese society and mentions Crown Princess Masako´s story as an example to demonstrate the backward side of the Japanese tradition.
A modern society and the world's third largest economy, Japan is loathe to shed some of its prejudices, particularly gender-related ones. Japan greets first-time visitors with mixed signals. You are overwhelmed at their politeness and courtesy, punctuality and efficiency. The country exudes an aura of opulence and confidence; the place is spanking clean and the infrastructure extremely impressive. But it is not as though the country isn't grappling with problems of its own. […] With one of the highest lifespans in the world — 86 years for women and 81 for men — Japan has been grappling with an aging and greying population. There have been projections that by 2055, Japan's population of 128 million will shrink to 90 million. […]

[The] dignified, calm and stoic manner in which the Japanese society responded to the unprecedented trauma and damage caused by last year's earthquake and tsunami, displayed to the entire world the innate strength of the Japanese people. A very polite society, it is common for those visiting Japan to hear ordinary Japanese thanking the rest of the world “for very kindly coming to our rescue through aid; we really appreciate it.” But, then, the Japanese way of life and adherence to their tradition and values are legend. […]

But, then, traditional values are not always good or desirable. In a world where women are disadvantaged to begin with, Japanese women have been treated even more shabbily from historic times. It is well known that even though women's numbers at the workplace are improving, they are yet to be given their due place both at the workplace and home. I asked Sumiyo, if even today, Japanese women workers of equal seniority compared with their male colleagues were expected to pour out tea for the men. She smiled and neatly ducked the question by saying: “These days we have vending machines in offices, so that question does not arise!”

But I did notice one thing, and sincerely hope it has nothing to do with all our meals in Japan, as we were served at Indian restaurants for the first three days: there was no attempt to serve the women first in our 14-member group; invariably, they were the last to be served!

Perhaps, the biggest and most heated debate on the gender front in Japan pertains to the immense pressure that was put on Crown Princess Masako to bear a son, because only a male member of the royal family can inherit the throne. In 2001, when after one miscarriage, when she gave birth to a daughter, there was a glimmer of hope that this law would be changed and, in 2005, a five-member government-appointed panel recommended that it was time to do so. But in September 2006, when the Crown Prince's younger brother's wife, Princess Akishino, gave birth to a son, this debate was conveniently shelved as the imperial household got a male heir!

But what the immense pressure on Princess Masako to bear a male heir did to the health and psyche of this very talented and accomplished Harvard graduate and former diplomat, is not a tale any Japanese or, for that matter, any woman, would be proud of. For several years, she has reportedly suffered from ill health and depression and stopped making public appearances. On the one hand, you have such glaring examples and, on the other, you notice how tech-savvy the Japanese society has become. […]

My takeaway from Japan will be its people's amazingly polite and helpful nature — seek directions on the road from a Japanese and he will walk along to show you the way — their discipline and efficiency. A modern society and the world's third largest economy.. and yet loathe to shed some of its prejudices, particularly gender-related ones.
 
I'm not sure what the article means by increasing pressures on Masako.

Will there be more pressures when her husband becomes Emperor? If so, what kind?
 
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