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Old 11-12-2011, 09:16 AM
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There's a recent post on the information page by someone who's claimed that the "Lady" has passed away and wondering who's taking care of the site now.
I don't understand her claim. Lady Iris Mountbatten had no child from her first marriage AFAIK and even then this child would not be able to inherit a title from the Carisbrooke-side. So who is this woman?
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Old 11-12-2011, 12:10 PM
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who cares .. it's someone with a psychological problem .. what else?
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:33 AM
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This is a link to Marlene Koenig's Blog in which has some info about Grania. Marlene has posted on this forum and perhaps she'll see this thread. The woman is absolutely an obvious fraud and has mental health issues.

Royal Musings: More debunking of "Lady Grania Mountbatten"
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:51 PM
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There's a recent post on the information page by someone who's claimed that the "Lady" has passed away and wondering who's taking care of the site now.
Perhaps Eritrea or Malachi Mountbatten?I assume Lords by now

her sons...
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:19 PM
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Princess Yasmin von Hohenstaufen-Plantagenet d'Anjou

PRINCESS YASMIN VON HOHENSTAUFEN AVRIL DE BUREY D

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Old 11-18-2011, 04:36 PM
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LADY Grania Mountbatten?????????

To be entitled 'Lady' before your first name, you HAVE to be born the daughter of a Duke, Marquess or Earl. [unless you are granted the style of an Earl's daughter as was the case with Lady Zia Wernher, although this was so exceptional that it is hardly necessary to mention it............]

If you are going to invent a fictious background, at least try and make it believable rather than fall at the first hurdle......

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Old 11-18-2011, 05:05 PM
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True. I wonder how many of these folks are deluded and how many are con-artists? I think that it would be rather silly for anyone to intentionally take on a fake noble or royal identity today. The information is so much more available now.

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If you are going to invent a fictious background, at least try and make it believable rather than fall at the first hurdle......

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Old 11-19-2011, 02:42 PM
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unless you are granted the style of an Earl's daughter as was the case with Lady Zia Wernher, although this was so exceptional that it is hardly necessary to mention it............
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I thought that Zia has been born as a Countess due to the title granted to her,her parents and siblings by the Grand Duke of Luxembourg and became Lady upon her marriage to Sir Harold Wernher,3rd Baronet...and wife of Sir is automatically a Lady,so she became Lady Zia Wernher...

Maybe she was placed in order of precedence as an Earls daughter due to her ancestry...Earls daughters outrank wives of Baronets(Sir)-they come behind Countesses in their own right and wives of a Baronets(Sir) come behind Baronesses in their own right...So,I think that just her title-Lady is due to her marriage and order of precedence is as a daughter of an Earl!

If I am wrong,correct me...
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King George V issued a Royal Warrant granting Countess Anastasia de Tory the style and precedence of an Earls daughter. She thus became Lady Anastasia de Torby and after her marriage she became Lady Anastasia Wernher, other wise upon marriage she would have been Lady Wernher. Her title of Countess came from Luxembourg and had no bearing in the UK.
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:41 PM
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The rules have shifted somewhat (and sometimes significantly) over time, and could be shifting again. The fact that Great Britain is about to enact equal primogeniture is a significant change. But, people who fabricate an entire life story (like Grania) are indeed mentally ill, and not simply reviving some title that existed a couple of generations back in their family but didn't pass on to them personally.

Whether delusion or con game, it's still a mental illness to me. (Although con artists need to be called out and stopped, while the delusional are sad people who deserve pity and some compassion).
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Agreed. The delusional need professional help. The con-artists should be exposed before they gain sympathy.

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King Geroge V issued a Royal Warrant granting Countess Anastasia de Tory the style and precedence of an Earls daughter. She thus became Lady Anastasia de Torby and after her marriage she became Lady Anastasia Wernher, other wise upon marriage she would have been Lady Wernher. Her title of Countess came from Luxembourg and had no bearing in the UK.
IIRC it was said in another thread that when you are born of foreign Royalty and have a title of your own, on marrying or becoming yourself a British subject you can ask for a Royal Warrant giving you similar status in the UK.

Anastasia de Torby was the granddaughter of Russian grandduke from a morganitic marriage where the daughter in turn married morganatically a Prince of the House of Nassau which reigns in Luxembourg. She and her siblings were granted Luxembourgian titles.

When she married and became a British subject, she applied for a Royal warrant and received it just like HRH Princess Ekaterina of Greece and Denmark who was granted the style and rank of a duke's daughter when she married so she was known in Britain as Lady Katherine Brandram.

Are there more examples? What about the Marchioness of Douro?

I checked into that case: in 1947 Prince Frederick of Prussia claimed British citizenship unter the "Electress Sophia Naturalisation"-Act as descendent of Victoria Princess Royal, German Empress Frederick. While he was granted the citizenship, he got no Royal Warrant, so became plain Mr. Von Preussen. He was married to Lady Brigid Guiness, wo in Britain was titled as Lady Brigid von Preussen, as she was the daughter of the Earl of Iveagh. The House of Preussen
accepted the marriage as fully equal.

In 1951 according to the homepage of the House of Preussen Frederick reverted back to his German surname which included the "prince"-style. When Antonia was born in 1955, was her father again a German or still British? And who decided that she has a right to the title and style of HRH Princess Antonia, Marchioness of Douro? At least that's what Wikipedia claims? Is she really that? Or only when not in britain? But she is a British subject, right?
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Old 11-20-2011, 01:44 PM
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King Geroge V issued a Royal Warrant granting Countess Anastasia de Torby the style and precedence of an Earls daughter. She thus became Lady Anastasia de Torby and after her marriage she became Lady Anastasia Wernher, other wise upon marriage she would have been Lady Wernher. Her title of Countess came from Luxembourg and had no bearing in the UK.
Thank you very much for this clarification :)
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In 1951 according to the homepage of the House of Preussen Frederick reverted back to his German surname which included the "prince"-style. When Antonia was born in 1955, was her father again a German or still British? And who decided that she has a right to the title and style of HRH Princess Antonia, Marchioness of Douro? At least that's what Wikipedia claims? Is she really that? Or only when not in britain? But she is a British subject, right?
I would like to know this also.
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Antonia is Marchioness Douro in the UK. Her Prussian title has no legal status in the UK.
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ZIA did not apply for a royal warrant. George V issued the warrant to allow her to be styled as Lady Zia, with a certain rank and precedence. The precedence for this decision was done when Countess Victoria Gleichen, a British national, whose father Prince Victor of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (whose wife, a Briton, was created Countess Gleichen) and he adopted the Gleichen title to be equal with his wife) who was naturalized, became Lady Victoria (or Valda), when she married Percy Machell. In 1917, her siblings dropped the Count and Countess of Gleichen and became Lord Edward, Lady Feodora and Lady Helena. All were British nationals by birth.

Foreign titles are largely not recognized in the UK for daily use, which is why the sovereign sometimes grants royal warrants. It was unlikely that Friedrich Georg applied for citizenship under the Sophia Naturalisation Act. That act was largely forgotten about until the mid-1950s when the late Ernst August of Hannover used it to win British nationality. When Friedrich Georg married Lady Brigid Ness, he adopted the name George Mansfield. He became a British citizen in 1947 (he was married to a British national). He was able to resume his German nationality in 1953. No royal titles appear on the birth certificates of Friedrich's children. In Britain, they have the surname von Preussen. Prince Friedrich ceased to be a prince in 1919, when German titles were abolished - he was Friedrich Georg Prinz von Preussen. In Britain, and in Germany, the titles are used socially. Antonia was known as Princess Antonia until her marriage (socially, not legally), she now the Marchioness of Douro. Not HRH Princess Antonia, Marchioness of Douro because the Prussian titles ceased to exit in 1919.
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IIRC it was said in another thread that when you are born of foreign Royalty and have a title of your own, on marrying or becoming yourself a British subject you can ask for a Royal Warrant giving you similar status in the UK.

Anastasia de Torby was the granddaughter of Russian grandduke from a morganitic marriage where the daughter in turn married morganatically a Prince of the House of Nassau which reigns in Luxembourg. She and her siblings were granted Luxembourgian titles.

When she married and became a British subject, she applied for a Royal warrant and received it just like HRH Princess Ekaterina of Greece and Denmark who was granted the style and rank of a duke's daughter when she married so she was known in Britain as Lady Katherine Brandram.

Are there more examples? What about the Marchioness of Douro?

I checked into that case: in 1947 Prince Frederick of Prussia claimed British citizenship unter the "Electress Sophia Naturalisation"-Act as descendent of Victoria Princess Royal, German Empress Frederick. While he was granted the citizenship, he got no Royal Warrant, so became plain Mr. Von Preussen. He was married to Lady Brigid Guiness, wo in Britain was titled as Lady Brigid von Preussen, as she was the daughter of the Earl of Iveagh. The House of Preussen
accepted the marriage as fully equal.

In 1951 according to the homepage of the House of Preussen Frederick reverted back to his German surname which included the "prince"-style. When Antonia was born in 1955, was her father again a German or still British? And who decided that she has a right to the title and style of HRH Princess Antonia, Marchioness of Douro? At least that's what Wikipedia claims? Is she really that? Or only when not in britain? But she is a British subject, right?
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Nor in Germany because titles ceased exist in 1919.
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Antonia is Marchioness Douro in the UK. Her Prussian title has no legal status in the UK.
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I actually wrote several posts on Grania O'Malley who is the only daughter of Hamilton O'Malley and his second wife. She has made herself 5 years older than she is ... she is mentally ill ... and her own family does nothing to help her.

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This is a link to Marlene Koenig's Blog in which has some info about Grania. Marlene has posted on this forum and perhaps she'll see this thread. The woman is absolutely an obvious fraud and has mental health issues.

Royal Musings: More debunking of "Lady Grania Mountbatten"
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Self-proclaimed Polish 'princess' Diana Lenska sold her mansion.
Lenska claimed a link to Polish royalty after founding the Royal Order of the Kingdom of Poland in the 1980s. As the organization's grandmaster, she then designated herself as a princess.
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There's a recent post on the information page by someone who's claimed that the "Lady" has passed away and wondering who's taking care of the site now.
She declares herself dead now? How weird it can get, huh?

I've first came across "Lady Grania" two years ago on facebook as she had created a group "in memory of my dear uncle Dickie" (Lord Mountbatten). After she had been exposed by a few others as fraud, she had given up her adminship there and seemed to have disappeared in the dark. Maybe this "death" means that she has completely given up on the entire story. At last.
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