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Old 08-20-2013, 12:45 AM
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Apparently they said she was talking but her speech was incoherent, except for that first "my god" that she said when she saw Dodi dead.^
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:11 AM
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I don't think we will ever know the truth!
I remember her saying she wanted more kids, can you imagine the future king of Britain having a half brother or a half sister muslam? what she was thinking of? I understand she wasn't in the best relation with the Queen but she had royal kids one heir to the throne so she should had to think about that.
and what she was doing no seat belts? that would have save her!
I wonder what she tought in that last moments!
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:27 AM
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I don't think we will ever know the truth!
I remember her saying she wanted more kids, can you imagine the future king of Britain having a half brother or a half sister muslam? what she was thinking of? I understand she wasn't in the best relation with the Queen but she had royal kids one heir to the throne so she should had to think about that.
and what she was doing no seat belts? that would have save her!
I wonder what she tought in that last moments!
What would it have mattered if her child was muslin? She probably would have moved to the United States with Dodi or Pakistan with Dr. Khan. I think in a few years the Princes would have been in the military and Diana, Princess of Wales would have been able to make a permanent move out of Great Britain.

I did read that the black sedan that she was in that night was just repaired the week before. I also read that the seat belts might not have worked, but I think it was Dodi safe arms Diana wanted to be in during the dash to the apartment.

Her last last were of her boys if anything and her and Dodi's souls.
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Old 08-20-2013, 02:06 AM
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......maybe they would have delivered a dead princess to the hospital since she was arresting in the ambulance while under the care of the ambulance doctor and nurse.

So so very right. And proves what so many have said, this wreck doomed her to die no matter what happened. So maybe this maybe that. Maybe not after all in any case whatsoever.

And I can discuss this forever, it is much more interesting than the Kartrashians.
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Old 08-20-2013, 02:35 AM
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Not known to the public, yes. However, it must have been known to some people and word would have got back to Prince Charles and others.

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Maybe not Mermaid. The relationship with Dr. Khan was hidden from the public. Dodi Fayed was on many magazine covers, especially THE KISS cover. I think that might have arouse the Establishment to action.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:54 AM
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She should have worn her darned seatbelt.

That's it and that's all.

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Yup. It's as simple as that. ETA Well, it would have helped if the driver hadn't been drinking and wasn't speeding, but if she had put on her seatbelt she would almost certainly have been here to enjoy her grandchild.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:17 AM
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Maybe it will make some people pay more attention to security and safety issues.
Wearing a seatbelt,driving at the allowed speed and not drinking alcohol before you get behind a wheel would have prevented this tragedy. Why should anyone plan something to hurt the Princess if she is putting herself in danger by making the wrong decisions and spending time with people of doubtful reputation?
It is awful that people put the blame on the Queen,Prince Charles or the French ambulance specialists who have tried everything to save her life while it is obvious that Diana has refused to use professional security services and make responsible decisions (like using a seatbelt!) about her life.
It was an accident that could have been easily prevented - that makes it even more sad and difficult to accept...
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:36 AM
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Maybe not Mermaid. The relationship with Dr. Khan was hidden from the public. Dodi Fayed was on many magazine covers, especially THE KISS cover. I think that might have arouse the Establishment to action.
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. The tabloids wrote about her relationship with Dr. Khan, that is part of the reason he broke up with her. There were no pictures of Diana with Khan but the affair was public knowledge. Prince Charles is very tolerant and has made it clear that he intends to be the "Defender of Faith" rather than "the Faith."

If the "Establishment" wanted to kill Diana, they wouldn't have done it that way. There are too many variables. As it has been noted, Diana could have worn a seatbelt and there are many people who believe that she would have survived had she been taken to the hospital. There were witnesses to the crash and the car was being pursued by photographers. There was more than one route to Dodi's apartment and the driver unexpectedly took the tunnel. No professional who wanted the death to look like an accident, would have chosen to kill her that way.

IIRC, the seatbelts were not tampered with. I have never seen any credible source who has claimed they didn't work.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:44 AM
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That is the French system - to stabilise at the scene by a doctor not a paramedic - and most countries only have a paramedic while the French actually have doctors on scene - and it is usual there for them to take an hour of so at scene to do the initial work. It was their way then and is their way today - to have a doctor at scene with the ambulance.
I understand it is the French system, but I think that it probably didn't work in this case. The doctor at the scene does not have access to the same equipment that is available at the hospital. Several medical professionals I know say that Diana's particular injuries would have been better treated at the hospital.

That is not to say that having a doctor with the ambulance doesn't save people with other types of injuries. The French system probably saves some people that would die without a doctor on scene. But in this case, it probably would have been better to take her to the hospital immediately after they got her out of the car.

I guess we will never know. Her injuries were serious and she may have died regardless.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:34 AM
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I understand it is the French system, but I think that it probably didn't work in this case. The doctor at the scene does not have access to the same equipment that is available at the hospital. Several medical professionals I know say that Diana's particular injuries would have been better treated at the hospital.
I remember reading that Dr. Khan attended Diana's funeral and IIRC, made a statement similar to "I could have done something to save her" as he was a specialist in heart problems. They may not have been headed off in the sunset with each other on a white horse at the time, but I'm sure they had a close relationship and feelings for each other.

I do believe also that Charles has quite an interest in Islam. I really don't think that the religion of Diana's choice of a second husband (or the conversion of Diana herself) would be a big problem for him. As any children she may have had from a second marriage would not be in the line of succession to the throne and Diana would have given up her style of Princess of Wales and become Mrs. XXX, I see no reason for the Establishment to be up in arms.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:06 AM
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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. The tabloids wrote about her relationship with Dr. Khan, that is part of the reason he broke up with her. There were no pictures of Diana with Khan but the affair was public knowledge. Prince Charles is very tolerant and has made it clear that he intends to be the "Defender of Faith" rather than "the Faith."
Sorry US Royal Watcher, the relationship was not publicly known. It was Princess Diana's wanting marriage that push the doctor away, not tabloids news. Dr. Khan made Princess Diana break up with him because he did want the fish bowl of fame that came with her. He really loved her and his first marriage (that was arranged by his family to a Pakistan Princess ) ended in divorce.

Yes, Prince Charles is a realist. A big majority of his subjects are of other faiths. Yes, Prince Charles is very tolerant and has made it clear that he intends to be the "Defender of Faith" rather than "the Faith." But is the rest of the establishment tolerant? Even Diana's mother had a falling out because of her choice of men.


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If the "Establishment" wanted to kill Diana, they wouldn't have done it that way. There are too many variables. As it has been noted, Diana could have worn a seatbelt and there are many people who believe that she would have survived had she been taken to the hospital. There were witnesses to the crash and the car was being pursued by photographers. There was more than one route to Dodi's apartment and the driver unexpectedly took the tunnel. No professional who wanted the death to look like an accident, would have chosen to kill her that way.

IIRC, the seatbelts were not tampered with. I have never seen any credible source who has claimed they didn't work.
US Royal Watcher you are absolutely correct in you thought processes. But, I have always wonder what the Queen meant when she told Paul Burrel to be very careful because of powerful forces that we know nothing about around us. I thought that was a friendly warning.

Yes, most of you think I have not gotten over her death, but I have by now. I just think it is more than a chance that the 3 direct heirs to the throne now at this comes out. And the Daily Mail's article on Prince Charles was not flattering either this last couple of days.

BTW, if my memory is correct it was not indicated at trial about the seat belt, but I do know the sedan was repaired a week before because it was vandalized.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:29 AM
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:10 PM
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Sorry US Royal Watcher, the relationship was not publicly known. It was Princess Diana's wanting marriage that push the doctor away, not tabloids news. Dr. Khan made Princess Diana break up with him because he did want the fish bowl of fame that came with her. He really loved her and his first marriage (that was arranged by his family to a Pakistan Princess ) ended in divorce.
The Sunday Mirror revealed the relationship in October of 1996. See the Vanity Fair article: Diana’s Love for Hasnat Khan—The Only One Who Would Never Betray Her | Vanity Fair

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Yes, Prince Charles is a realist. A big majority of his subjects are of other faiths. Yes, Prince Charles is very tolerant and has made it clear that he intends to be the "Defender of Faith" rather than "the Faith." But is the rest of the establishment tolerant? Even Diana's mother had a falling out because of her choice of men.
The rest of the establishment may not be tolerant, but its not the mafia. There is absolutely no evidence that "the establishment" has killed anyone, must less the mother of the future King. Even if you believe they actually hired someone, a professional would not have killed her that way. The claim would be more credible if she had been found dead of an overdose or if the car accident had been in a less populated area--I still wouldn't believe it--but you could make the argument.

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US Royal Watcher you are absolutely correct in you thought processes. But, I have always wonder what the Queen meant when she told Paul Burrel to be very careful because of powerful forces that we know nothing about around us. I thought that was a friendly warning.

Yes, most of you think I have not gotten over her death, but I have by now. I just think it is more than a chance that the 3 direct heirs to the throne now at this comes out. And the Daily Mail's article on Prince Charles was not flattering either this last couple of days.

BTW, if my memory is correct it was not indicated at trial about the seat belt, but I do know the sedan was repaired a week before because it was vandalized.
Cars are repaired all the time. How would anyone know that Diana would be in that car the week before the accident? I don't think the trip to Paris was planned that far in advance and wouldn't someone have noticed if the seatbelts weren't working in that week?
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Maybe it will make some people pay more attention to security and safety issues.
Wearing a seatbelt,driving at the allowed speed and not drinking alcohol before you get behind a wheel would have prevented this tragedy. Why should anyone plan something to hurt the Princess if she is putting herself in danger by making the wrong decisions and spending time with people of doubtful reputation?
It is awful that people put the blame on the Queen,Prince Charles or the French ambulance specialists who have tried everything to save her life while it is obvious that Diana has refused to use professional security services and make responsible decisions (like using a seatbelt!) about her life.
It was an accident that could have been easily prevented - that makes it even more sad and difficult to accept...
Yep. If calmness and rationality was there that night 3 people possibly would still be alive. We will never know the full details of what happened that night. And why they made the decisions they did.

Years ago I was rushing to school and my mother was driving. About 5 or 10 minutes into the ride I realized that I didn't have my seatbelt on and I was sitting in the passenger's seat. Luck-fully we didn't get into an accident and I fastened my seatbelt.
It's possible in the rush and commotion of escaping the paparazzi she and Dodi forgot to do something that they normally would have done fastening their seatbelts.

And I definitely agree on the security. A month before the divorce Diana, her sister, and a friend; payed a visit to Italy and they stayed at a hotel. From the pictures and footage I'd seen there were so many photographers but there were police officers escorting her to and from the hotel.
Perhaps before coming to Paris she was comfortable with the Fayed security. But obviously from the cctv footage she was irritated by that night.
I understood that she didn't trust royal security. But then go to a private security firm that will make sure you won't be harassed by the press. I think she craved the old days of her being a nanny walking around the streets of London undisturbed but those days were long gone by 97.
Her death was senseless.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:47 PM
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US Royal Watcher you are absolutely correct in you thought processes. But, I have always wonder what the Queen meant when she told Paul Burrel to be very careful because of powerful forces that we know nothing about around us. I thought that was a friendly warning.

As we only have Burrell's word for it that that conversation ever took place we have to be careful about assuming that the Queen ever said anything like that at all.
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Yup. It's as simple as that. ETA Well, it would have helped if the driver hadn't been drinking and wasn't speeding, but if she had put on her seatbelt she would almost certainly have been here to enjoy her grandchild.
Exactly. The only on ewho survived was wearing a seatbelt.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:33 PM
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IMO, The Princess of Wales was in a very bad situation. She was being entertained by the Al Fayed's with no proper security, their every move seemed very hectic and I don't think Diana knew that Mr. Al Fayed was trying to get his son to ditch his fiancée and hook up with a very vulnerable woman and mother of the future King.

Princess Diana death: Witness CAN be trusted despite being branded a 'loose cannon'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/...+Royal+Feed%29
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Exactly. The only on ewho survived was wearing a seatbelt.
According to the Operation Paget report none of the occupants were wearing seatbelts.
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From reading the comments on websites like Daily Mail i have a feeling that a lot of people see the situation still as the angelic fairytale princess versus the wicked evil royal family, so there is no way people like that will believe that it was just an accident...
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From reading the comments on websites like Daily Mail i have a feeling that a lot of people see the situation still as the angelic fairytale princess versus the wicked evil royal family, so there is no way people like that will believe that it was just an accident...
That why I don't bother reading comments on anything that has to do Diana on websites, blogs posts, News sites Facebook, etc.
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