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Old 08-07-2013, 10:14 AM
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I'm somehow thinking, if, Diana and Dr. Khan had stayed together and even got married, I think he would've stayed in London and worked from there. I just think the arrangement would've been that way. I think it would've been very important for Diana to be close to her children and for her to carry out official engagements.
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:31 AM
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I'm somehow thinking, if, Diana and Dr. Khan had stayed together and even got married, I think he would've stayed in London and worked from there. I just think the arrangement would've been that way. I think it would've been very important for Diana to be close to her children and for her to carry out official engagements.
I think so too, which would have meant that he would have had to live under the media microscope. I just don't think it would have worked out.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:22 AM
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...But one of the reasons that so much has been written about her personal life is she made it a public issue...
Oh, the fact that she talked publicly about her personal life certainly didn't help in terms of privacy both during her life and after her death (I think she seriously lacked the ability to think through the consequences of making such revelations, among other things). At the same time, as someone who reads and keeps up with biographies written of all kinds of people, it also seems that putting the microscope on someone's private life (especially if something scandalous can be found or even made up) is always popular, whether that person talked openly about their personal lives or not. But I mean that in terms of how one is perceived in posterity - during her life, it was all quite a mess.

From what I see, though, I think she is mostly viewed by the media in positive terms (certainly in the US, she is). I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it - I think she was a good mother to the extent that she was capable, and I think her probably biggest achievement in terms of charity work was the fact that she was able to attract so much attention to her causes (she didn't necessarily do the most work or the hardest work but when she did something, people paid attention).

Diana was a mixed bag and, I think, a confused person in so many areas of her life, but I guess that's part of what makes her so interesting to discuss.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:33 AM
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She was human so she wasn't perfect but William & Harry have no problem telling the world that she was a good mother. I don't think she did anything to hurt them though. I think they are old enough to understand that their mother and father had needs that needed to be met and wanted some love and affection.
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Look, what everyone seemed to miss in my statements, is that Diana was childish and insecure. She married a man who was spoiled and self-centered. They each had different views of what marriage would be about. Diana thinking she would be loved and treated differently that her parents marriage. Charles, had no expectations, except that Diana would be there for him and the Firm. She was too young to be a wife, especially with these responsibilities. He was to set in his ways, nor did he see the domesticity that was important to her. And, he loved someone else. And he expected her to live by the, already, in places rules. It is a pity for both.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:41 AM
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I think you're pretty much spot-on. It was a mess of a situation.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:44 AM
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Then again, I do think Diana and Charles did love each other and agreed on how they wanted to raise their family.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:11 PM
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...Diana was a mixed bag and, I think, a confused person in so many areas of her life...
She was very confused, which would have made finding someone to share her life impossible. At the same time Diana and Khan were talking about moving to Pakistan or South Africa, she was giving telling the world that "she won't go quietly." Andrew Morton said that her goal at that time was to force Charles to relinquish his claim to the throne and leave her to groom William for his future role as King. There was no way for her to do that and live a quiet life with Khan.

Diana married Charles knowing the rules of his life. In fact, that is one reason she married him: they couldn't divorce. It should also be noted that he didn't make the rules either. When they divorced, she had the opportunity to write her own rules. She could have lived a quiet life or she could have found someone comfortable in the limelight, but she couldn't have both. Maybe that is why she got involved with Fayed, she wanted to test life in the limelight with another man...
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:12 PM
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Lets do remember that Diana wasn't a happy camper when she was separated and going through all that drama with Charles, neither was Charles. I think once things calmed down, those thoughts and hurtful feelings of wanting William to become King and not Charles was pretty much over.

She did see it to be very important to help prepare William for the role he will come to in the future. It was her and Charles's job to do so.

I don't think Diana was ever going to have a quiet life. Despite her being divorced from Charles, she was the mother of the second in line to the throne and had a public role to fulfill. Any man in her life would've had to accept her lifestyle and her importance.
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:00 AM
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Well,"brooding" is not a very nice expression when used on human beings, or do you think that women in a royal family have no other role than being a breeding mare?
Reducing a princess (or any woman) to her reproductive function is a very misogynistic statement and shows the lack of understanding for the importance and value of the public service of people like Catherine,Duchess of Cambridge (or Diana/any other royal lady). While their public work for their country and their support for charitable causes is often not considered to be "work" we should not underestimate the importance of a royal figure.
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It's infuriating to see attacks on people who don't worship a woman who was famous for a combination of physical attributes and hatred of her husband - this fame because her husband was part of the monarchy - an institution that arouses conflicting emotions. I suppose Diana was a nice person who had a sad life. However, since spending some time on YouTube and some of the forums I have found the rabid hatred her memory brings out in many people. Anyone who disagrees is branded "cold".
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:33 PM
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Vkrish made a really good point in the original comment that sparked this debate - Diana wasn't a nice wife because she didn't have a nice husband, but her husband wasn't a nice husband because he didn't have a nice wife.

As such his point, however valid initially, has lost weight, and people who might otherwise have agreed with him, or at least peacefully debated the matter, have been sidetracked by their offense of his language and the way he presented his argument.
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Andrew Morton said that her goal at that time was to force Charles to relinquish his claim to the throne and leave her to groom William for his future role as King
I have been thinking about the Morton book printing. It was for Diana, Princess of Wales to tell the world about her unhappy marriage and to get a divorce from Prince Charles that was fair.

I thought the Panoramic Interview was where Princess Diana talks about Prince Charles not fit to be King and Prince William to be the next King with her guidance. Her interview show me that she was desperate for a divorce and sick with paranoia because of all the things that were happening to her.

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Maybe that is why she got involved with Fayed, she wanted to test life in the limelight with another man...
I think you hit on the reason.
BTW, Some people say Princess Diana was trying to make Dr. Khan jealous.
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I'm somehow thinking, if, Diana and Dr. Khan had stayed together and even got married, I think he would've stayed in London and worked from there. I just think the arrangement would've been that way. I think it would've been very important for Diana to be close to her children and for her to carry out official engagements.
I think you are right because after Diana, Princess of Wales died the Dr. stayed in the UK for most of the years after she died. The time I know he left for Pakistan was during the inquest trail.
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I was wondering if anyone has any iron clad proof that Diana was involved with Jfk Jr? I've read about it for a decade now but I was wondering if there was any proof.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:05 PM
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I was wondering if anyone has any iron clad proof that Diana was involved with Jfk Jr? I've read about it for a decade now but I was wondering if there was any proof.
No, there were a little rumors and false stories about them but not true.
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Agreed. Patrick Jephson was with them during their meeting. It lasted about an hour, I believe.
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I was wondering if anyone has any iron clad proof that Diana was involved with Jfk Jr? I've read about it for a decade now but I was wondering if there was any proof.

We have rumours about many different men - at least three are confirmed - Hewitt, Khan and Dodi. All the rest are rumours with no confirmation - there is a saying however - there is no smoke without fire.

There is a good chance there were more than the above named three as she did have trouble maintaining relationships but we will probably never have confirmation one way or the other.
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We have rumours about many different men - at least three are confirmed - Hewitt, Khan and Dodi. All the rest are rumours with no confirmation - there is a saying however - there is no smoke without fire.

There is a good chance there were more than the above named three as she did have trouble maintaining relationships but we will probably never have confirmation one way or the other.
What about Oliver Hoare and rugby captain Will Carling? Wasn't Oliver Hoare found in his underpants standing behind a potted plant smoking outside of Diana's bedroom? Doubt he was evaluating the paintings, and of course there were all those phone calls to his home. Also was not Mrs Carling on the verge of naming Diana as the other person in her divorce suit against Will until they reconciled for a time. She must have felt there was a lot of "smoke" in that case.
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