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Old 12-26-2014, 09:44 PM
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As princess Madeleine have confirmed that the family will move from the U.S. to Europe in the near future, Prinsessan: Vi flyttar hem igen - Nyheter | SVT.se , it's possible that the will relocate to London, and as there is a Swedish school there the children will be able to get a Swedish education even if not living in Sweden.
Would going to a Swedish school really be considered being 'raised in Sweden'?
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:13 AM
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I think that would be pushing the envelope just a little toooooooo far.
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I think that would be pushing the envelope just a little toooooooo far.
Yes, they are clearly pushing the envelope.

I suppose Chris is adamant about not living in Sweden. As I said before, Madeleine will have to make a choice at some point. Either she stands by her husband's choice and strips her children of their birth right to be in the line of succession, or she moves back to Sweden and fulfills her obligations as a member of the House of Bernadotte. I don't think the Swedish royal court will accept half-baked solutions like the children going to a Swedish school in London.
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Old 12-27-2014, 05:54 AM
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Leonore won't start school for another six years. By that time we'll know if V&D have another child, and/or if CP&S have children. That's a biggie. By the time Leonore was born she was the only spare. There are many things you can say about the king, but he's very keen on making sure that the line of succession isn't too sparsely populated. He knows what can happen if there aren't enough people in there - he lived the situation.

I think that it was the king who persuaded Madeleine to let Leonore be in the line of succession, even though she wasn't too keen on the idea. In six years there might be several other children between Estelle and Leonore. If that happens, I think that M&C will stay in London (I think they'll settle there) and take their kids out of the succession.
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Old 12-27-2014, 08:08 AM
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Leonore won't start school for another six years. By that time we'll know if V&D have another child, and/or if CP&S have children. That's a biggie. By the time Leonore was born she was the only spare. There are many things you can say about the king, but he's very keen on making sure that the line of succession isn't too sparsely populated. He knows what can happen if there aren't enough people in there - he lived the situation.

I think that it was the king who persuaded Madeleine to let Leonore be in the line of succession, even though she wasn't too keen on the idea. In six years there might be several other children between Estelle and Leonore. If that happens, I think that M&C will stay in London (I think they'll settle there) and take their kids out of the succession.
I absolutely agree with you.
Now Sweden royal family badly needs Leonore in the line of succession. After six years they will make final decision based on situation at that time.
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Interesting that she is already included in the succession so she would have to be taken out of it, not one thing I can personally see the king doing!


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Old 12-27-2014, 09:26 AM
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I don't think Madeleine will reveal her child's gender unless it will be found out by the press like the last time... She was "forced" to confirm she was expecting a girl other wise I think she wouldn't tell...

I have my opinion about Leonore's title issue etc: I think that if V&D or CP and Sofia will have children, Madeleine and Chris might consider to not move to Sweden... At the moment I think Leonore is needed as a "spare"...
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:29 AM
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Why is everyone calling Leonore "the spare". She has Estelle, Carl-Philip, any children CP has, and then Madeleine ahead of her.
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:32 AM
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Yeash, indeed... In fact I said that at them moment she is the spare... Estelle is still only child and CP is not married yet...
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:00 AM
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Why is everyone calling Leonore "the spare". She has Estelle, Carl-Philip, any children CP has, and then Madeleine ahead of her.
I think that the people who call Leonore "the spare" assume that everyone will die "in natural order" in other words, that Victoria and her siblings will die before their offspring.
When and if that happens and if the situation remains as it is; and there will be no more children born at all (not even to Estelle herself), than Leonore is indeed the spare to Estelle.

However, as P.Victoria has yet to ascend the throne and hopefully she will have a long life, then Estelle will be married and have children of her own before she herself will be Queen, so imo calling "Leonore" the spare is a bit jumping to conclusions...

for now, the spare to Estelle is P.Carl-Philip (and Estelle is the spare to P.Victoria)
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:25 PM
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Leonore won't start school for another six years. By that time we'll know if V&D have another child, and/or if CP&S have children. That's a biggie. By the time Leonore was born she was the only spare. There are many things you can say about the king, but he's very keen on making sure that the line of succession isn't too sparsely populated. He knows what can happen if there aren't enough people in there - he lived the situation.

I think that it was the king who persuaded Madeleine to let Leonore be in the line of succession, even though she wasn't too keen on the idea. In six years there might be several other children between Estelle and Leonore. If that happens, I think that M&C will stay in London (I think they'll settle there) and take their kids out of the succession.

I agree with you Xenobia, there was all sorts of rumours going round about how Madeleine had wanted to renounce her HRH at the time of her marriage but was forced to keep it by her father. In my opinion they're just biding for time. If they don't move to Sweden (which I doubt they will) as soon as there's more children born to the family she'll give up her title or at least have her children taken out of the succession just as she and Chris had originally intended.



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Old 12-27-2014, 04:04 PM
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Interesting that she is already included in the succession so she would have to be taken out of it, not one thing I can personally see the king doing!
I don't' think he would exclude her. But M&C can choose to do that, if they don't move back to Sweden, which is a very plausible scenario.

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I agree with you Xenobia, there was all sorts of rumours going round about how Madeleine had wanted to renounce her HRH at the time of her marriage but was forced to keep it by her father. In my opinion they're just biding for time. If they don't move to Sweden (which I doubt they will) as soon as there's more children born to the family she'll give up her title or at least have her children taken out of the succession just as she and Chris had originally intended.
We seem to agree about all the details here :) I don't think that Madeleine is interested in royal life for her children. She might show up herself in Sweden for the national day and/or the Nobel celebrations, but that's it. I think she enjoys her privacy as Mrs O'Neill.
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Old 12-27-2014, 04:13 PM
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I just can't get my head around it personally. Who decides that she hasn't been brought up in Sweden? Somebody somewhere official must make some decision?
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Old 12-27-2014, 07:02 PM
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Well, if Leonore is only in Sweden for high days and holidays, I should think that would be a no-brainer. However, if she's 18 and only has one cousin, Estelle, then I would be thinking that the rules would bend somewhat.

Sweden had a real hiccup in the succesion and I don't think anyone is taking any chances. If Estelle has a sibling or two and CP and Sofia have one or two children then the pressure will be off. But, until then I think she will remain HRH Princess Leonore and the new child will also be an HRH.
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wow, madeleine and chris really are wasting no time! leonore having been a honeymoon baby, and with the second pregnancy announcement with leonore being less than a year. i guess madeleine really wanted to start a family and it's great news as they are now permanently residing in sweden.
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Would going to a Swedish school really be considered being 'raised in Sweden'?
If reading the Swedish order of succession, the stress is more about being of the "pure Lutheran faith" than on "living within the kingdom". It explicit says that a person loses their place in the order of succession if they don't adhere to the faith, but there is nothing explicit in that paragraph about being excluded if not been brought up in Sweden.
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If reading the Swedish order of succession, the stress is more about being of the "pure Lutheran faith" than on "living within the kingdom". It explicit says that a person loses their place in the order of succession if they don't adhere to the faith, but there is nothing explicit in that paragraph about being excluded if not been brought up in Sweden.
Yes, but the Marshal of the Realm, Svante Lindqvist interpreted the order of succession after Leonore's birth:
"princes and princesses of the Royal House shall be brought up [...] within the Realm", was interpreted into saying that it would be fulfilled if the princess lived and started school in Sweden from the age of 6."
Dag Trygsland Hoelseth: HRH Princess Leonore Lilian Maria of Sweden, Duchess of Gotland

Svante Lindqvist stressed that the order of succession is "extremely vague" to what degree a child in the succession order must be raised and educated in Sweden.
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King Carl Gustaf and queen Silvia gave to day an interview to the media at their state visit to Finland. Queen Silvia said at the interview, that Madeleine's second child will be born in June.
Expressen writes about it
Silvia avslöjar Då blir Madde mamma igen Nyheter Expressen
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:15 AM
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No surprise here. I suspected that at first they said "summer" because in june there is already the wedding and maybe it would have been overshadowed
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Very likely that Madeleine will miss the wedding then.
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