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Old 06-01-2014, 03:05 PM
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Yeah, if they're not going to become full-time royals then there must be a better balance between the career and official duties. William has gone on to mention that his SAR job was making it very difficult for him to focus on his official duties and it was putting a strain on the balance.

The thing is that making everyone a bit confused on the subject is that there are some options on the table but it's not known what option he's going to take. The only official notice that we've been given is that he's in his "transitional year." What comes after that isn't know. Full-time official duties or whatever.

I must say that full-time royal duties isn't a death sentence though and the royals aren't on the public stage 24/7. They have their private and family time and take their vacations too. It's about the way you go about carving out your own roles that really make the difference.
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I think William is at a point in his life where there are many options to consider and he's not going to make a decision rashly and he's going to take every option he has into deep consideration and talk about them with those that can provide wisdom and insight into the choices (The Queen, Charles, his family etc).

Its not that he does not want the royal life but its a question of when is the best time to step into that spotlight. It might be to their advantage to live primarily at Anmer Hall while working for the air ambulance service especially if the Cambridges are planning to expand their family. It may be that as the heir to the heir, they know stepping into the prime spotlight of the Firm, it is possible that their activities will cast shadows on other things the Firm is presenting because that's how the media works. It follows who is the most "popular" as that is what sells. Working with the air ambulance in Norfolk would provide the sense of doing something worthwhile for William while also being close enough that his duties for the Firm and the Cambridges charities are still within grasp. He, also, may be considering working with the air ambulance service as a volunteer.

Things can change in the blink of an eye and I think all of the Firm realizes this. Especially The Queen as she suddenly was thrust into the role of monarch far earlier than was expected. William has gradually been learning the ropes so to speak should it be necessary to step into those roles tomorrow but he also realizes just where he is on the totem pole of the Firm and with that position, he has options to take various other paths until he is absolutely needed in a royal full time role.

Those working for the Firm are not marionettes or chess pieces played out on the chessboard of the monarchy but real people (albeit people with an expected destiny) with real hopes, dreams and ambitions to find their niche in life just as anyone of us do.

Wobbling is a good thing. Rash decisions or just going along with the opinion of what others think could or would perhaps create feelings of unhappiness and unfulfillment in the future.
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This is the last period of his life when William will have options. When his father becomes King, William's ability to make choices will all but disappear.
I don't see him as a wobbler. I see him as a thinker. He's a serious man, and a serious man will not move forward, never questioning himself or others. It is his life. It is his destiny to be King. And he is more than entitled to do it his own way. Never fear, his chain will be yanked by his father or by HM or by the fierce DoE if he is not behaving and proceeding to their liking.
The media and the fanboys-and-girls of the blogosphere have no dog in this hunt other than our own preferences. Step up to the plate? William will be shown where the plate is by others.
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Old 06-01-2014, 05:14 PM
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A few notes:

LPs = Letters Patent - the official instrument that determines titles. Currently there are two in place that affect who is and who isn't HRH:

1917 - George V's which said that the following people would be HRH Prince/Princess:

the children of the monarch - Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward
the male line grandchildren of the monarch - William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, James, Richard, Edward, Alexandra and Michael
the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales - George
the spouses of the males listed above - Camilla, Sophie, Kate, Birgitte, Katherine and Marie-Christine

1996 - Elizabeth II's - removing HRH from women who gained it on marriage - thus stripping Diana and Sarah of the HRH

2013 - Elizabeth II's - extended the 1917 LPs to give HRH to ALL children of William not just his eldest son

There has been some discussion here and elsewhere about the rights of Louise and James with some arguing that as no LPs were issued to strip them of their rights to HRH and others arguing that all that is needed is for the monarch's 'will to be made known' and it has been made known in this instance.

As for Willliam's dislike of the press - I can understand that but it must go beyond the press who were providing a service for the masses who were fans of Diana and went and bought everything about her - and many still do. He might publicly imply the press but I wouldn't be surprised if it was, in fact, the public in general - all those screaming fans who would have paid the media for the photos that would have been taken that night and thus created the market for the pictures. I don't blame the media for Diana's death but her fans as they were the ones who would have made the chase profitable.
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It is very possible he considers shaking hands at royal engagements very boring...but, if thats the case maybe he should pick more challenging or interesting charities to be a part of.

I think he will do whats right for his family...and god forbid anything happens he would quit whatever he's doing.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:17 PM
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I find it intriguing that people are discussing William's dissatisfaction in life and the (remote) possibility that he would abdicate his position.

William on tour is happy and gregarious. William at home is petulant and dissatisfied.

On tour he and his wife were the subject of pretty much 24/7 attention, and yet at home he has not even released the odd family bhoto let alone a photo of George.

The perception that he both dispises and is oppressed by the media is headline news, and the contradictions in his attitude do not go unnoticed. But they also do cause speculation and that is why we have all this angst.

Charles life was under scrutiny, admittedly not in the same league as William due only to time and technology. Even Ann was hounded unmercifully and I well remember the outrage when a photographer's flash unseated her going over a jump while Eventing. She got up out of the dirt, checked her horse and then went off like a rocket at the media, telling them to "Naff off". She could have been killed and yet the media whined loudly at her "foul language".

The point is, everything is relative and William has had more than his fair share of coddling by his family, the Army, the Air Force and last but by no means least, by the Firm. He is a grown man and he needs to present an adult face to the world. At present we have the frowning, sullen visage of a petulant child sulking and not engaging the public at any time other than when he is at an engagement.

His demeanour ensures that the media and the public are aware that "he is not amused". He makes no attempt to hide it. It seems to have gotten to the stage that when he has an engagement people are starting to wonder if he really wants to be doing this, worse if he even wants to be who he is and the inevitable question, "what's going to happen . . . ".
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I have not really seen any examples of a petulant sulking not engaging the public William....what is this analysis being based on?


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It is very possible he considers shaking hands at royal engagements very boring...but, if thats the case maybe he should pick more challenging or interesting charities to be a part of.

I think he will do whats right for his family...and god forbid anything happens he would quit whatever he's doing.
that is a seriously damaging statement for the monarchy if it was true.

There is no evidence that when he is out and about that he finds it boring.

I think that he just doesn't want to that all the time - and lets be honest - we all want variety in our work and why should he be different?

He'll do what's required of him but there is no need to do it yet. There is plenty of capacity in the current full time BRF (actually some could do more) without W/K/H so he has time.

Just stop going on and on and on about "stepping up to the plate" - there is no need, no lack of resources and standards are not slipping. I have no idea why he cant be left alone to make his mind up.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:30 AM
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This is the last period of his life when William will have options. When his father becomes King, William's ability to make choices will all but disappear.
I don't see him as a wobbler. I see him as a thinker. He's a serious man, and a serious man will not move forward, never questioning himself or others. It is his life. It is his destiny to be King. And he is more than entitled to do it his own way. Never fear, his chain will be yanked by his father or by HM or by the fierce DoE if he is not behaving and proceeding to their liking.
The media and the fanboys-and-girls of the blogosphere have no dog in this hunt other than our own preferences. Step up to the plate? William will be shown where the plate is by others.
I see William as a very serious person brought on by what has happened to his mother and her death, this has effected his life totally. He does not like the media at all, and I feel as he has done with his marriage to Catherine and the way he is trying to shield his family that he will continue to do things his way. I am sure that he does consult the Queen, DoE, his father and maybe others on what he is going to do, yet he will do it his ways period. I believe that The Firm(Queen, DoE, Charles, mostly these 3) will give him all the time he needs and let him do things his way. I really don't think anybody, even Catherine, is going to yank his chain or show him the way to the Plate, he has know about the Plate his entire life and so far he appears to be doing just what he wants.
One big question: Why do we, the public, need to know what he is going to do? It really is none of our business what he does on a daily basis........after all he does have a life of his own to live.......
I was told a long time ago, that putting the focus on someone else/something else takes away from your own life..........maybe the media needs to take a huge step back and let him alone for a while and take the pressure off him, could the palace(grey men in suits as Diana used to call them) put the pressure on the media? The way the media played a role in Diana's death should be a warning sign for them.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:46 AM
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[QUOTE=cepe;1670837]that is a seriously damaging statement for the monarchy if it was true.

There is no evidence that when he is out and about that he finds it boring.

I think that he just doesn't want to that all the time - and lets be honest - we all want variety in our work and why should he be different?

He'll do what's required of him but there is no need to do it yet. There is plenty of capacity in the current full time BRF (actually some could do more) without W/K/H so he has time.

Just stop going on and on and on about "stepping up to the plate" - there is no need, no lack of resources and standards are not slipping. I have no idea why he cant be left alone to make his mind up.[/QUOTE]

I so agree with you, there are plenty of other royals that could be helping the Queen and the Duke..........let them get their tush out there and do some of the work, William and Catherine aren't the only royals in the British family..........just because he is young, handsome. has a beautiful wife and son, doesn't mean he needs to step up to the plate.....to know that for the rest of your life, a camera is going to be following your every move and that of your family must be heart wrenching indeed for him. And I believe that yes the media needs/must be more understanding of him. He isn't coddled by a long shot, just think if anyone knows that everytime they go outside the fear of a camera and people (and there are tons of people that want to do harm to others in this world,) that that can do harm to him because of who is he, that in itself is frightening. Try to put yourself in his shoes, walk around the block in his shoes(he can't walk around the block) and that in itself is very sad. All of us here can go out the door and take a walk without a camera in our face, he can't!
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Exactly what does Prince William OWE any of us or his future subjects????? It is certainly not access to him 24/7 or daily photos of his son. If the Duke and Duchess represent the crown, support their charities, and lead a scandal-free or less overly dramatic marriage than Charles & Diana, we should rejoice. For many, it seems it is never enough. Every action or facial expression is overly analyzed for evidence of marital discord or irritation of being in public. Kate is criticized for being "plastic" yet you would have throught she rode naked through London over her bare bum!! If you are going to get upset over something - make it something really important - like spending nights bar hopping, or driving drunk or adultery. We should rejoice that William and Kate really seem to like each other, that they are happy and this happiness extends to being parents.

We need to accept that William has a long wait before he becomes king and many of us may not be around to see it.
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:11 AM
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William & Kate should do more royal duties.

The elder members of the family who do not receive as many benefits as W&K should not be doing more than William & Kate.

It will be William who is King then George so William & Kate need to 'step up to plate' now and not wait until promoted to POW to start working.

The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester's son will never be king but the Gloucesters carry more of the work load than W&K.

The 78 year old Duke of Kent is working for the firm while excuses are made for the 30 year olds.

William and Kate need to start contributing to the firm that pays for their upkeep.

If you take the cost of their KP home,their security cost, clothing budget etc divided by the number of duties performed, they do not give a good return for the money.
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:16 AM
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William & Kate should do more royal duties.

The elder members of the family who do not receive as many benefits as W&K should not be doing more than William & Kate.

It will be William who is King then George so William & Kate need to 'step up to plate' now and not wait until promoted to POW to start working.

The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester's son will never be king but the Gloucesters carry more of the work load than W&K.

The 78 year old Duke of Kent is working for the firm while excuses are made for the 30 year olds.

William and Kate need to start contributing to the firm that pays for their upkeep.

If you take the cost of their KP home,their security cost, clothing budget etc divided by the number of duties performed, they do not give a good return for the money.
If Wills and Kate were to start contributing to where their upkeep comes from, it would see them going to work for the Prince of Wales exclusively as it is Charles that pays for the upkeep of Wills, Harry, Kate and George. I'm sure that Charles would love extra gardeners at Highgrove but I digress.

We have to remember also that they have money in their own right due to trust funds from their mother and perhaps their grandmother and great grandmother. The only thing the Firm would pay them for or supply for them is expenses occurred while doing for the Firm (such as the Australian/NZ tour) and their security.

I'm sure that when the time is right, they will be full time working royals and it looks to me as if their diary of engagements for this summer is starting off great with quite a few already announced and in motion. One thing about working for the Firm though and it may be a good reason why jumping into the job of a full time royal is such a big decision for William. The job is like a roach motel. You check into the job but you never, ever check out afterwards. Its a job for the rest of his life. Talk about being married to a job eh?
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William & Kate should do more royal duties.

The elder members of the family who do not receive as many benefits as W&K should not be doing more than William & Kate.

It will be William who is King then George so William & Kate need to 'step up to plate' now and not wait until promoted to POW to start working.

The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester's son will never be king but the Gloucesters carry more of the work load than W&K.

The 78 year old Duke of Kent is working for the firm while excuses are made for the 30 year olds.

William and Kate need to start contributing to the firm that pays for their upkeep.

If you take the cost of their KP home,their security cost, clothing budget etc divided by the number of duties performed, they do not give a good return for the money.
Since when does the taxpayer pay for their upkeep? I am under the impression there is No Civil List any longer. The money that the Queen gets is for the upkeep of the palaces that are owned by the government like BP,,,,,,,PC does pay for the upkeep of his sons and that money comes from the Duchy which is a very successful business under his management. He is a very successful business man in his own right and that is something to be proud of and he also pays taxes on that business. PW has the inheritance of his mother's which the interest alone would make him an extremely wealthy man without touching the principle. Security is paid for by the government as should be as there are way to many idiots out there that would love to do harm to these people all for the sake of getting their name in the media and because they are jealous they aren't royal. There should be no problem in paying security, why it's done for other various members of the government.

It all comes down the Queen who has the Final Say in this matter! And who are we to tell her what to do............
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It all comes down the Queen who has the Final Say in this matter! And who are we to tell her what to do............
Who are we? Only the reason she continues to hold the exalted position she occupies. Without our acquiescence she would merely be a wealthy old woman.
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The bottom line is people complain no matter what...they complain when they do engagements they complain when don't do engagements...


Do people want a republic that bad...I mean do people really not think there isn't corruption in a democratic gov't...because there is...and guess what people would complain about that too...people will always look for a reason to complain about something...especially the ones who are incessant on criticizing people...not just them in general.
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The bottom line is people complain no matter what...they complain when they do engagements they complain when don't do engagements...


Do people want a republic that bad...I mean do people really not think there isn't corruption in a democratic gov't...because there is...and guess what people would complain about that too...people will always look for a reason to complain about something...especially the ones who are incessant on criticizing people...not just them in general.
No. In opinion polls the figures for those wanting a republic is c.19%. IT doesnt really move from that figure - it didn't even go high during the annus horribilis and Diana's death.

No one is taking to the streets, there is no crisis in the BRF.
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William & Kate should do more royal duties.

The elder members of the family who do not receive as many benefits as W&K should not be doing more than William & Kate.

It will be William who is King then George so William & Kate need to 'step up to plate' now and not wait until promoted to POW to start working.

The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester's son will never be king but the Gloucesters carry more of the work load than W&K.

The 78 year old Duke of Kent is working for the firm while excuses are made for the 30 year olds.

William and Kate need to start contributing to the firm that pays for their upkeep.

If you take the cost of their KP home,their security cost, clothing budget etc divided by the number of duties performed, they do not give a good return for the money.
I agree they should be doing more publically. Now, they do plenty of official business behind closed doors but a great deal of it don't make the news. It's not even recorded in the Court Circular like it should be. They conduct meetings, lunches, audiences and all that great stuff but we really don't hear about it.
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They lives rent free.

If they had to pay their own expenses for everything including the going rate for their housing including KP, their security, the clothes, the vacations, polo ponies, etc., William's inheritance would only last a few years.

Each member of the royal family does behind the scene work for their charities that is not listed in the CC so it evens out.

Bottom line:
W&K need to do more to earn their position and benefits.
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I agree they should be doing more publically. Now, they do plenty of official business behind closed doors but a great deal of it don't make the news. It's not even recorded in the Court Circular like it should be. They conduct meetings, lunches, audiences and all that great stuff but we really don't hear about it.
You say this as if nobody else works behind the scenes. If William and Kate are doing it then you can bet that everyone else is as well.
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They lives rent free.

If they had to pay their own expenses for everything including the going rate for their housing including KP, their security, the clothes, the vacations, polo ponies, etc., William's inheritance would only last a few years.
Clothes, vacations, polo ponies: What makes you suggest that they do not "pay their own expenses" for these?

As far as security, it is the Home Office that decides who in Britain gets security, and who does not. BP does not decide that.

The only government owned home they have is KP, which William gets as second in line to the throne.
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