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Old 06-01-2011, 07:43 PM
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I'm wondering if it hasn't been gazetted because it doesn't have the usual remainders. (i.e. to heirs male of the body lawfully begotten).

Maybe William wanted it modernized to include daughters? I don't know, but I'm wondering. Comments?

I saw the LG announcement quite recently - last week from memory. I will go back and dig it out and post the date here.

Incidentally, I know some people think that until a title is gazetted it cannot be used - this can't be the case can it, because otherwise William wouldn't have been able to be 'Duke' on his wedding day.
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:56 PM
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I saw the LG announcement quite recently - last week from memory. I will go back and dig it out and post the date here.

Incidentally, I know some people think that until a title is gazetted it cannot be used - this can't be the case can it, because otherwise William wouldn't have been able to be 'Duke' on his wedding day.
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House of Lords, London SW1A 0PW

26 May 2011

In accordance with the direction of Her Majesty The Queen Letters Patent have passed the Great Seal of the Realm dated the 26 May 2011 granting unto Her Majesty’s Grandson, His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis of Wales, K.G., and the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten the dignities of Baron Carrickfergus, Earl of Strathearn, and Duke of Cambridge.


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Old 06-02-2011, 03:25 AM
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^^Is there a reason it wasn't gazetted until the 26th of May?
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:59 AM
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Could it have something to do with them being on their honeymoon?
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:20 AM
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I'm wondering if it hasn't been gazetted because it doesn't have the usual remainders. (i.e. to heirs male of the body lawfully begotten).

Maybe William wanted it modernized to include daughters? I don't know, but I'm wondering. Comments?
It's there now , with the standard "heirs male ..." remainder, in the London Gazette of June 1, 2011. The Letters Patent apparently having been finalized May 26, 2011.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:55 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Kate's father being created an earl when either Charles or William ascends the throne. The family was granted a court of arms before Kate's marriage. Theoretically, he'll be the father of the Queen Consort & grandfather to a future Sovereign.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:21 AM
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I would be extremely surprised, shocked in fact, if it were to happen.

The Coat of Arms is a different question altogether: Kate, as the (future, at that point) wife of a British Prince was entitled to have Coat of Arms. She could have applied for one in her own right, but instead Michael Middleton applied as head of the family, meaning now Kate's entire family has the use of the Arms.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:29 AM
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Pretty much anybody will be granted a coat of arms in England if they can afford it. In theory you're supposed to demonstrate some level of eminence, but in practice one does that with money (heralds don't get salaries, after all).
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:05 PM
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I thought you have to be of noble blood to have a coat of arms. It should already be in your family as part of your family history, should'nt it? I did not know you could just buy one or have one made up without any valid bloodline somewhere in your geneology. That would mean all of us in the world could have one "made up". Hmm.
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old story, but describes system
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:22 PM
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Coats of Arms became a fact because they were needed as a sign of recognition (as the person who rode into a tournament or battle was not recognisable, but carried a shiled anyway, so could display who he was there) just like a passport nowadays.

People who have a reason to signal who they are through symbols (for whatever reason there is) still can get a Coat of Arms for that purpose. As the family of Middleton was to become kin of the Royal family (after all, Carole and Michael are to be the grandparents of a future king or queen) they had a good reason to apply, as the RF still has a lot of situations/ceremonies where a Coat of Arms is needed instead of using the name or even passport number... LOL.... Even though this is the modern equivalent.

BTW: having a Coat of Arms really is the equivalent of having a passport, it's nothing noble about it, just the fact there is a need to make yourself known with old fashion methods. For whatever reasons.
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Excellent article. Thank you for posting it.
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