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Old 04-04-2012, 10:08 PM
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The rank of Duchess is not bad at all for the Middletons.
Of course, and for anyone in general, but we were just discussing the equality of rank and title between Kate and Pippa if Pippa ever married George Percy.
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I just hope that it is a love match if they marry.
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The rank of Duchess is not bad at all for the Middletons.
It is not bad for anyone, even Beatrice and Eugenie would be considered to have made advantageous marriages on marrying a duke as times are over where they could expect a Royal husband.

I think the difficulty in really understand what the title means is the "avalanche" of historical novels and romance over the last decade which feature a duke as hero. When Georgette Heyer wrote her historicals in the 20ties, it was absolutely clear that a duke was extremely hard to come by. But nowadays a duke is a must and as most authors don't care one bit for research into the rules of British aristocracy, their plots are likewise. So no wonder people ask here and it's a real good think they do, for it shows real interest in the topic.

As for being in the line of succession. Only a few British nobles are in line because it is a rather modern custom for British princesses to marry into the British aristocracy (Louise, Duchess of Argyll, Louise, Duchess of Fife, Mary Countess of Harewood) or have their husbands granted nobility
and a peerage (Margaret, Countess of Snowdon). Anne eg, refused even that, so her children are not Royal and don't belong to the aristocracy.

Apart from the noble children of Royal dukes (Kent, Gloucester) the next noble in line is the current Earl of Harewood at position 47, I think, at the moment, after Isla Philips was born.
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Is George Percy related to this Thomas Percy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...Gunpowder_Plot)
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Yes, he is. Both are descendants of Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland.
Thomas Percy was the 4th Earl's great-grandson, whereas George Percy is the 4th Earl's (female-line) 16th great-grandson, making them third cousins 12th times removed.

George Percy's descent from the 4th Earl of Northumberland:
- Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland
- Henry Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland
- Sir Thomas Percy
- Henry Percy, 8th Earl of Northumberland
- Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland
- Algernon Percy, 10th Earl of Northumberland
- Josceline Percy, 11th Earl of Northumberland
- Elizabeth Percy, Duchess of Somerset
- Algernon Seymour, 7th Duke of Somerset
- Elizabeth Percy, 2nd Baroness Percy
- Algernon Percy, 1st Earl of Beverley
- George Percy, 5th Duke of Northumberland
- Algernon Percy, 6th Duke of Northumberland
- Henry Percy, 7th Duke of Northumberland
- Alan Percy, 8th Duke of Northumberland
- Hugh Percy, 10th Duke of Northumberland
- Ralph Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland
- George, Earl Percy
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Just out of curiosity, who's the better catch- George Percy or Hugh Grosvenor?

George has been described as the UK's most eligible bachelor, but Hugh's estate is even richer, isn't it?
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Just out of curiosity, who's the better catch- George Percy or Hugh Grosvenor?

George has been described as the UK's most eligible bachelor, but Hugh's estate is even richer, isn't it?
From strictly financial point of view, definitely Hugh Grosvenor. Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster, is one of the richest people in the United Kingdom, and the richest British person: Hugh, as his only son, will inherit the bulk of the fortune, although Tamara, Edwina and Viola will get sizeable fortunes (trust funds) as well. Hugh will be a billionaire, whereas George will be "only" a multi-millionaire and "merely" 250th wealthiest person in Britain.
Moreover, as a descendant of George II, Hugh Grosvenor is also in the Line of Succession to the British Throne, albeit very far down - about 1900th.

From peerage point of view, George Percy wins hands down. Few nobles can rival the ancestry and breeding of the Dukes of Northumberland, even if they are not in the line of succession. The title Duke of Westminster is a relatively recent one, having been created by Queen Victoria in 1874. The title of the Dukes of Northumberland is more than three century older, having been created (in its first creation) back in 1551. Since 1766 (the third creation of the title), it has belonged to the House of Percy which held the title of Earl of Northumberland since 14th century.

All in all, either of the young men wouldn't be a bad match at all. For anyone.
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Certainly the Grosvenors are incredibly wealthy - much, much wealthier than the Royal Family. The Duke of Westminster is apparently worth more than £7billion, at today's exchange rate that's more than $11billion USD. He owns large chunks of the poshest bits of London so his fortune is growing all the time essentially.

Via the Grosvenors you'd also get a van Cutsem connection. In addition, Lady Edwina Grosvenor is married to the TV presenter Dan Snow who produces lots of super interesting historical documentaries for the BBC, so Christmases are never likely to be boring.

Hugh Grosvenor is only 6 years younger than me. Too much?
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All in all, either of the young men wouldn't be a bad match at all. For anyone.

I can see that!
Thanks for the information.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:57 PM
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Funny, the papers' opinion is that at the moment, what Carol Middleton appears to want is a double Duchess situation for her daughters.
As Pippa Middleton And George Percy Join Will and Kate's Ski Trip, Can Carole Pull of the Duchess Double? - The Daily Beast
Well, everybody agree that George Percy is the very eligible bachelor.
But what is the situation in case of the British nobility, will only George inherit all? How about his siblings?

So, the whole story is - they are an item, they are not an item, they are...they are not . Only the two know...
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If Carole Middleton is half the schemer the papers make out, she must be a regular Machiavelli!
In that case, she is wasted at Party Pieces, and the Secret Service should grab her.
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Ah, Mirabel, your wit has been sorely missed!!!
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If Carole Middleton is half the schemer the papers make out, she must be a regular Machiavelli!
In that case, she is wasted at Party Pieces, and the Secret Service should grab her.
Party Pieces would be a perfect cover though: innocent-looking housewife with a children-themed business - perfect!
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If Carole Middleton is half the schemer the papers make out, she must be a regular Machiavelli!
In that case, she is wasted at Party Pieces, and the Secret Service should grab her.
How do you know they haven't? They wouldn't be much of a 'secret' service if we all knew about it would they?
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Pippa joined by Percy on Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's romantic ski reunion, fuelling rumours Kate's sister and former flame are more than close friends
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The sister of the Duchess of Cambridge joined Kate and Prince William, as well as her parents, brother James, and close friend George Percy in the Trois Vallees. The appearance on the break of Earl Percy, heir to the £300million fortune of his father, the Duke of Northumberland, is likely to fuel rumours that the former couple could be getting back together.
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In the last pic George seemed to look like Prince Harry.
Most people's comments in the paper are quite cynical, the Middletons have been named by someone " modern Boleyns", well I think sometimes everything could be turned in a black light by journalists.
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I figure George Percy has fended off his share of fortune and title hunters at this point. He can probably spot one a mile away.
He seems to like Pippa enough to disregard all the hostility, so we'll see what happens next.
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In the last pic George seemed to look like Prince Harry.
Most people's comments in the paper are quite cynical, the Middletons have been named by someone " modern Boleyns", well I think sometimes everything could be turned in a black light by journalists.
Ouch, modern Boleyns! Why don't they just compare them to the Woodvilles as well, the infamous family of Edward IV's queen, Elizabeth.
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Ouch, modern Boleyns! Why don't they just compare them to the Woodvilles as well, the infamous family of Edward IV's queen, Elizabeth.
Because the writers and the readers of the DM would have no idea who the Woodvilles are. Without the TV series The Tudors many of them would have no idea who the Boleyns are either.
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Ah, I knew I should have put the emoticon for tongue in cheek. I know, the Woodvilles are an esoteric family and I'm sure the majority of people (except for here, most likely) wouldn't know who they were, let alone who they were related to!
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