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Old 10-16-2014, 12:38 AM
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This is the first time there are three adult generations in the RF in well over a 100 years. The royal finances are not structured in a way which allows three generations to go out and work full-time.

There are three sources of money for the family, the Sovereign Grant and the income from the Duchy of Lancaster for the Queen and the income from the Duchy of Cornwall for Charles.

Charles pay for himself, Camilla, Harry, William, Kate and George from Duchy money. The only help they get from the Queen is to offset travel.

Money used for Edward and Sophie has nothing at all to do with Charles or his family nor do they have access to it.

William and Kate travel on regular airline flights, Charles and Camilla travel by private jet.

Prince of Wales's attendance at Nelson Mandela's funeral cost £246,160 - Telegraph
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The official travel bill for the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall doubled in the last year as the heir to the throne took on more public duties, new figures show.

The annual accounts for Clarence House, published on Thursday, show that the amount spent on air and rail travel for the couple increased by £679,000 to £1.3 million
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Prince Charles paid £1m a year to support Prince William and Harry in official duties | Royal | News | Daily Express
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PRINCE Charles is paying £1 million a year to support his sons and the Duchess of Cambridge in their official duties, it emerged today.

But the heir to the throne may struggle to foot the growing bill if Prince William, Kate, and Prince Harry end up taking on much more royal work as the Queen and Prince Philip slow down.

Charles's principal private secretary William Nye conceded that his boss would have to look carefully at how much he could continue to fund the activities of the three younger royals in addition to his and Camilla's duties if the balance of work changed.

Buckingham Palace receives the bulk of £36 million in taxpayer funding for the Royal Family but Charles pays for much of the work involving himself, Camilla, William, Kate and Harry, who are increasingly becoming the focus of the future of the monarchy.
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:25 AM
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The choice will have to be made by the Cambridge's. The Wessex's made this same choice during the Queen's Golden Jubilee. William & Catherine will likely be welcomed and funded if they came to that choice. It shouldn't take anyone to become sick for them to reach that decision.
Lets not forget the Wessex's hands were forced. Edward's companies had more or less failed commercially, and Sophie had been busted by the Fake Sheikh. Also, this was the period around the time of the deaths of QEQM and Princess Margaret, and after the death of Diana. Charles and the BRF, in general, had been deeply unpopular for some time following the War of the Wales' and the death of Diana. There were relatively few royal women, allowing Sophie to morph into, what was described in the Press as the 2nd senior most royal lady in the land.

Things are very different now. The BRF is popular once again. Charles and Camilla are widely respected, and so is Anne. The other royals of the generation continue to work hard, but do not attract much attention, quite like the Kents and Gloucesters. The focus is again on the "core" lines of succession, and the Wales family. Yet, there is no immediate need to supplement the numbers of people working for the firm on a full time basis. C&C and his siblings have taken over some of the workload of HM and DoE. Unless the heath of HM and DoE substantially declines, you may have a period of a few years where William, Catherine and Harry can lead semi-private lives.
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Old 10-16-2014, 11:19 AM
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Thank you to all who shared facts, figures and articles regarding the funding of royal engagements. IMO it does impact how often the Cambridges and Harry can perform royal engagements and I believe it did play a role in William's decision to delay becoming a full time royal.
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Funding plays a huge part. The Queen is provided with an official income, the heir to the throne is provided with an official income but the heir to the heir isn't provided with an official income.

Everything the Cambridges do in both their private and official lives comes out of Charles's piece of the pie and it starts to add up. The finances of the BRF are not set up to account for William Kate and Harry working full-time.
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:48 AM
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With the exception of this year, William and Harry have never done more than 100 engagements. So I don't know why people are surprised that Kate's engagement count is around the same.
I'm not sure where number of engagements is obtained. Googling found me these:

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2012

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2013

Relevant to this discussion, several things are clear. First, Kate didn't come anywhere close to 100 engagements in either year. Second, the Cambridges do fewer engagements than anyone else, by a long way.

The one exception is Harry in 2013, but he was very involved in a large, time-consuming project (Invictus). But to be fair, Kate was also involved in a large, time-consuming project (adding kitchens).
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:24 AM
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I'm not sure where number of engagements is obtained. Googling found me these:

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2012

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2013

Relevant to this discussion, several things are clear. First, Kate didn't come anywhere close to 100 engagements in either year. Second, the Cambridges do fewer engagements than anyone else, by a long way.

The one exception is Harry in 2013, but he was very involved in a large, time-consuming project (Invictus). But to be fair, Kate was also involved in a large, time-consuming project (adding kitchens).


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Old 10-23-2014, 08:59 AM
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I'm not sure where number of engagements is obtained. Googling found me these:

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2012

The Royal Family’s engagements in 2013

Relevant to this discussion, several things are clear. First, Kate didn't come anywhere close to 100 engagements in either year. Second, the Cambridges do fewer engagements than anyone else, by a long way.

The one exception is Harry in 2013, but he was very involved in a large, time-consuming project (Invictus). But to be fair, Kate was also involved in a large, time-consuming project (adding kitchens).

If you were a bit more active on this forum, you'd know that we have a thread where the engagements are tracked from week to week. Iluvbertie does it, and does it beautifully.

Welcome! I hope you'll enjoy it here, even though your brand of opinion about Kate's work ethic probably won't be well received.

For example, you insinuate all Kate did in 2013 was remodel... She also gave birth to her first child.


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Old 10-23-2014, 09:02 AM
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According to bertie

In 2011 we have William doing 90 engagements, Kate 34 and Harry 16.

In 2012 William did 96, Kate did 124 and Harry 71.

In 2013 William did 66, Kate did 44 and Harry 57

and so far this year William has done 120, Kate 80 and Harry 78
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:08 AM
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Also with the engagement numbers in the letter to the Times, you have to add D -total engagements in UK with E - total overseas engagements.

So in 2012 :

William: D 52 E 36 Total 88 (Wills was in Falklands for RAF duties first months of 2012)

Kate: D 75 E 36 Total 111




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Old 10-23-2014, 09:25 AM
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I have to say that whatever wizard they have at the British court adding up these numbers should go to other RF's too. The sheer amount of the British engagements always surprises me, they calculate in a more generous way, which is clever as the media only looks at the numbers a and not what they actually mean.
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The British court doesn't add the figures. They publish what each member of the family does on any given day and others do the maths.

So if the CC states the Queen met with ambassadors in the morning, the Prime Minster in the afternoon and a banquet in the evening this is counted as 3 in total by newspapers but the Court Circular doesn't say today the Queen did 3 engagements.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:39 AM
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It is not even the newspapers, it's a guy with notebook that does what Iluvbertie does in the forum count and sends the results as a letter to The Times.


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Much of what people want Catherine to do can only happen if the Queen wants it. To be an honorary colonel will require the Queen's approval. For Catherine to give speeches that are more than thank for inviting me will require the royal family to get past Diana's speeches that were often digs against them. Don't see that happening until she is the Princess of Wales.
For Catherine to work for the firm 24/7 is not going to happen while she has small children.... And maybe not until she becomes the princess of Wales.
The Cambridges will do and live as they are for now because the Queen and Charles have no problem with it.


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Old 12-22-2014, 10:42 AM
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Much of what people want Catherine to do can only happen if the Queen wants it. To be an honorary colonel will require the Queen's approval. For Catherine to give speeches that are more than thank for inviting me will require the royal family to get past Diana's speeches that were often digs against them. Don't see that happening until she is the Princess of Wales.
For Catherine to work for the firm 24/7 is not going to happen while she has small children.... And maybe not until she becomes the princess of Wales.
The Cambridges will do and live as they are for now because the Queen and Charles have no problem with it.


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The Honorary Colonel appointments will come and I think soon. Catherine speeches have nothing to do with her late mother-in-law and the late Princess never took digs at the royal family in her official speeches. Catherine do not have to be Princess of Wales to give speeches.
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Personally I don't quite get this obsession with people wanting the wife of the 2nd in line to the throne to give 'speeches'

As far as honorary colonelcies, this requires a reorganisation of regiments, and is not up to Catherine.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:56 AM
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Personally I don't quite get this obsession with people wanting the wife of the 2nd in line to the throne to give 'speeches'

As far as honorary colonelcies, this requires a reorganisation of regiments, and is not up to Catherine.
I think her voice should be heard more on the charities and issues she really care about. She also have to get used to making speeches more often. The more she do, the better she'll get making them. She haven't made a speech in a while now.
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I disagree. No one judges William or Harry on their speech making abilities and neither one is good at it. In the past every time Catherine opens her mouth she is nitpicked to death.

I just think people invent things to judge Kate by. Speech making now seems like the most important thing in the world, when in fact no other royal is judged by it.
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I disagree. No one judges William or Harry on their speech making abilities and neither one is good at it. In the past every time Catherine opens her mouth she is nitpicked to death.

I just think people invent things to judge Kate by. Speech making now seems like the most important thing in the world, when in fact no other royal is judged by it.
Plus, the Queen has never given a good speech in her life. I adore her but she has never been a compelling public speaker, and it's not just that she's straight-jacketed into saying the same boring platitudes time after time, she's just a poor speech-giver. She's said some important things at important times, but she's never given a great speech.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:23 PM
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It's not about giving speeches to be giving speeches, it's about making her voice heard on the issues and causes Her Royal Highness care about.

I think the best speech Catherine gave is when she visited one of her old schools, just before it was announced she was in the hospital and pregnant with George. Her confidence and delivery was wonder.

She haven't spoke in public about her charities in a while. It's true, her speeches are picked over way too much but at least she's out there speaking about the causes she's supporting.

The royals aren't the best public speakers but that really don't matter. What matters is that you hear their passion and dedication to the causes and organizations they support.

No one want to hear and see Catherine giving a 4 hour speech like her father-in-law is known to give but she could at least say a couple of syllables more often.
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