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Old 11-26-2003, 01:53 PM
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Very well said, Jacqueline.

To add something, I hardly think, too that Alexandra will disappear off the royal scene now with Mary. Yes, Mary will probably take on more royal duties in the coming months and may even perform more than Alexandra in the future, but organizations Alexandra has worked closely with over the past years would hardly "dump" her in favour of Mary. And obviously, Alexandra knew that one day Frederik would find a wife who would be the Crown Princess and eventually Queen, so this wasn't such a bombshell to her.

And with the Danish royal family being so small, Alexandra's presence and help is much needed, now and always. Yes, her role will probably change and shift now with Mary's presence, but it will not be eradiated or obsolete. (And frankly, if it were, I think Alexandra is smart enough to still land on her own feet, in a capacity of her own choice and at which she would still succeed&#33

Old 11-26-2003, 02:31 PM
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I don't think anyone should feel sorry for Alexandra. She is the one who will be able to spend more time with her children than Mary will, get to pick and choose the charities she is involved with. If something happens to HM in the next few years it will be Mary we feel sorry for.

Old 12-04-2003, 12:39 PM
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When she travels to Hong Kong she sits in first class, while her kids and there nanys fly coach. So I do not know who is more of a snob.

This is not true. The nanny flies business class. The Royal House does not allow royal staff to fly first class. Her son spent some time in business class with the nanny. That does not make Alex a snob.
Old 12-04-2003, 12:43 PM
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Quote: And if you think Mary is snobbish, I think you should take into account that Alexandra "loves" Denmark so much, that she spends one quarter of the year in Hong Kong, because she cannot get use to the cold weather in Denmark. This is eventhough her parents live with her in Denmark.

Reply: Alex does not spent 1/4 of the year in Hong Kong. She visits once a year, the longest for less than 2 months, the shortest for 2 weeks. She goes with her entire family to visit her sisters and friends. Her parents do not live full time with her in Denmark. They have lived in Hong Kong for more than 40 years.

Alex visiting Hong Kong does not make her unloyal to Denmark, just that she visits friends and family in a place that she lived for 30 years.
Old 12-04-2003, 12:49 PM
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Do not feel sorry for Alexandra. She had a successful career and life in Hong Kong before she married Joachim. She made her first 7 years in Denmark a success. She will continue to live a happy and fulfilled life, because she is intelligent and will find many outlets for herself. Even if she has a diminished role in the royal family after Mary becomes crown princess.

Mary on the other hand has not kept a job for more than a year in her entire 10 year "career." She served stints as an English teacher along with doing some marketing for a real estate agency. She is not accomplished in her life before becoming fred's fiance. Let's hope she does not give up again on her new job of being princess after 1 year. Let's hope she is not marrying fred to get a career
Old 12-16-2003, 07:15 AM
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Mary on the other hand has not kept a job for more than a year in her entire 10 year "career."
Sorry, but where did you get this? Her resume shows that she gained a graduate position with DDB Needham and that she was promoted to Account Manager. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first year of a graduate position usually entails rotations and learning the jobs. It is only if the next year when you progress, that is if you hav impressed your employers. She clearly impressed because she was promoted. It is also highly likely that she stayed for more than a year there. I also think she was at Belle for more than a year too.

Originally posted by Times2222@Dec 4th, 2003 - 12:49 pm
She served stints as an English teacher along with doing some marketing for a real estate agency.  She is not accomplished in her life before becoming fred's fiance.  Let's hope she does not give up again on her new job of being princess after 1 year.  Let's hope she is not marrying fred to get a career
There's a lot of things we don't know about her career. For my part, my understanding of it is that she clearly stayed for some time with DDB Needham, but at one point, she changed often. I think her travelling overseas, getting the Scottish 3 months contract etc happened after her mum passed away. Or has everyone so conveniently forgotten this?? Her mum passed away, and she's supposed to go through life as if nothing happened? This is just a bleep to us, another small fact about Mary. But I doubt that it was just a small fact to her.

To say that she was not "accomplished" is also way off the mark. She was in distinguished positions before she met Fred. She was a manager in major firms, or a director etc. I don't think anyone should be so ready to belittle another person's life, especially as we don't know what that person had gone through.

O yeah and the real estate agency Mary worked for is a high profile agency that handles multi million dollar sales, not merely some small suburban real estate agency.
Old 12-22-2003, 01:32 PM
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I still stand by my personal opinion that 8 jobs in approx a decade is a lot of job hopping. As a senior executive, a CV with some many jobs would raise red flags (restlessness, job changes due to poor performance, lack of progression) for me.

I am posting the job section of her CV here for everyone to judge for themselves. Please note that she had some help getting that job at Navison in Denmark and was living off of Fred (according to other postings on this site).

DDB Needham – Melbourne, Australia
After completion of University moved to Melbourne to take a graduate position with the worldwide advertising agency Promoted to Account Executive within client management.

MOJO Partners – Melbourne, Australia
Role: Account Manager

Travelled across Europe and America.

Rapp Collins Worldwide – Edinburgh, Scotland
Role: Account Manager (3 month contract)

Young and Rubicam – Sydney, Australia
Role: Account Director

Love Branding – Sydney, Australia
Role: Brand Team Leader – responsible for managing the seamless teamwork of four communication disciplines: Brand Strategy, Public Relations, Online, and Advertising.

Belle Property (specialist in premium development and residential properties – Sydney, Australia
Role: Sales Director and member of Management Team.

Transfer (Business English School) – Paris, France
Role: English teacher (primary focus on business English).

Microsoft Business Solutions - Denmark
Role: Project Consultant – business development, communications and marketing.
Old 12-22-2003, 01:40 PM
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I'm curious about one thing, did Mary's CV actually state dates when she started work and when she left her jobs? Or was it just a job listing.
Old 12-22-2003, 11:47 PM
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The CV does not post any dates, just the jobs, but Needham DB would be her first job after graduation
Old 12-23-2003, 02:36 PM
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Totally agree with you Times2222 on Mary's CV. When I saw it on the Danish Royal Family website, my first thought was "where's the date?" It didn't say how long she stayed with each company. However, it did raise a red flag when seeing a long list of companies like that knowing she had been in the job market for less than 10 years. However, the Crown Prince himself seems to live that kind of life also. Not that he hopped jobs 'coz he's the C.P. but he didn't seem to take his role as seriously as he should have.

As for Princess Alexandra can't get used to the cold in Denmark. Here's my thought. I'm originally from Thailand (5 degree above the Equator). Although I've moved to the U.S. since I was 16, I just can't get used to the winter here. Even a Texas winter (hardly ever snow) is harsh for me sometimes. My husband grew up in Chicago. He could walk outside with just a T-shirt on. I had to bundle up 3-4 layers when it's 40 outside.

To stay on the topic, I am disappointed to see Mary taking the C.P. role. It really has nothing to do with Mary. I just hate the idea of Princess Alexandra not being the only girl standing there between the two brothers. It doesn't even matter who the other woman is. But that's my personal opinion. Princess Alexandra probably doesn't feel a thing.
Old 12-23-2003, 03:05 PM
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They did seem to be a couple of "movers." But do they have enough weight to shake? I seriously doubt that.
Old 12-23-2003, 03:10 PM
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"Even a Texas winter (hardly ever snow) is harsh for me sometimes. "

The summers are better temperature wise but too dry, right?
Old 12-23-2003, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dennism@Dec 23rd, 2003 - 3:10 pm
The summers are better temperature wise but too dry, right?
Texas is a big state. Certains parts are dry. We live close to the Gulf (of Mexico) so it's actually humid by a Midwesterner's standard. Comparing to Bangkok, the humidity here is nothing. Neither is the summer heat.

When I ponder a bit more on why Princess Alexandra likes to visit Hong Kong every year, I think she just simply misses Hong Kong. It has nothing to do with being disloyal to Denmark. I left Thailand at 16, half the Princess's age when she left Hong Kong. Although I now call Houston home, there are certain things you can only get at home, e.g. visitting old friends. But that is probably a politically-incorrect thing for a Danish Princess to say. It's a lot easier to just say "I can't get used to the winter here." Anybody can relate to that.
Old 12-23-2003, 05:53 PM
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Mary on the other hand has not kept a job for more than a year in her entire 10 year "career." She served stints as an English teacher along with doing some marketing for a real estate agency. She is not accomplished in her life before becoming fred's fiance.
Just a small note about Mary's CV:

I must reiterate that my point was not that she changed jobs - this is obvious, and I have no quarrel with this at all. What I was against was the point that "she is not accomplished in her life" and "she has not kept a job for more than a year". For my part, I believe these comments to be misplaced and harsh. I think if Alex had one of Mary's jobs in her CV (for example, Account Director/Manager with DDB Needham) it would be praised to high heaven. Mary DID change jobs but one can see from her CV and the jobs she had that SHE IS AN ACCOMPLISHED YOUNG WOMAN (she had competitive jobs in competitive firms).

And furthermore, I do believe that she has been in some jobs for more than a year. If we take away the the 3 mths contract at Scotland, the English teacher job in Paris and the MS in Denmark, we are left with 5 jobs only. Furthermore, attacking her teaching job and real estate agency job is uncalled for. Theya re good jobs, and with regards to the teaching job, was unlikely to be undertaken as a start in a new career, but an in-between job. We should also remember that Belle Property is not some small estate agents and she did not sell houses - she was an Accounting Director.

For my part, I would be proud to have Mary's CV.

To focus on Mary's job changes is cool, but to use this as an excuse for not acknowledging her achievements is unjust.

But back to Alex, if the reports that her dad is unwell are true, then I feel for her. It must be hard - Mary lost her mum too so she would know what its like to have a parent ill.
Old 12-23-2003, 08:03 PM
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What is an Accounting Director? What was she actually doing?
Old 12-27-2003, 02:53 AM
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After reading the comments, my personal conclusion is that, I still DON'T like Mary.
Old 12-27-2003, 05:24 AM
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That's fair enough. IMO,I find her boring. Letizia, whilst I'm not a fan of hers either, at will prove to be an interesting one to watch. I think Mette is lovely as is Maxima. Mathilde is not that interesting either but at least she is the least controversial. Princess Alexandra is one of my favorites.....She a dream doll.
Old 12-27-2003, 12:21 PM
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I agree that Mary is boring. She's in her 30s and never accomplished anything career-wise. There's no personality there. I just dislike her, and I probably always will. There are just some people that you automatically dislike, and can't put why you feel that way into words.

I respect that Letizia had a successful career and had ambitions, and I think it will interesting to see how she adapts.

Mathilde is boring beyond belief; she's well-mannered and poised, but you just don't see any personality there.

Maxima is interesting because she's just so vivacious and lively.

I like Martha Louise more than I like Mette-Marit. I think I like ML's personality, though she does seem to play the Royal-card too often, even though she's said she wants a normal life now.

I think the Countess of Wessex isn't all that interesting. And she's married to the most unpopular of the Queen's kids, so that rubs off on her popularity. She's never going to live down some of the things she's said and done, and the Queen's courtiers have said less-than-kind things about her in the papers (anonymously, of course), which doesn't help her situation.

I respect that Alexandra had an established career, and had goals in her life. And she's made a wonderful transition to royal life.
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Old 12-27-2003, 06:10 PM
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Well said
Old 12-28-2003, 06:34 PM
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Some just don't have flair or personalities no matter the heritage, and so that makes them very boring. Mathilde is one, and I am afraid, Mary is one also. They maybe nice, but nice is usually a description suited for uninteresting people. I do like alex. I think she is inteseting because she is kind of people person. Do you see from many pictures when she is paying attention to people, she leans forward. I deem that humble gesture, closing the gap, opposite of distancing from people, imho.

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