Schackenborg Castle, Tønder - Page 4

Viv · #61 02-23-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by betina

I was not bought. For hundreds years ago it was given to the nobility and they could keep Scakenborg as long as they had sons to pas it on to.
the last count didnt have children and there for it was given back to the crown

This is what I've read too! Alledgedly one of the original stipulations from 1661 was that Schackenborg should be returned to the Crown if there were no male heirs. I am not sure whether this was still in force when Count Hans Schack handed back the estate to the Queen in 1978, but I think that I remember him saying something to this effect!

Schackenborg was given back to "The Crown" (the Royal House) especially with the future of Prince Joachim in mind. He didn't take possession of Schackenborg till 1993.

We don't know the terms and agreement of the take-over, but it is rather obvious that one of the parties didn't do their home work! It turned out that Schackenborg was partly is disrepair, most of the inventory had been removed and there were problems with the morgages as well. It turned out to be a costly affair for the Queen!

IIRC Prince Joachim once commented on the problems of the take-over, I just cannot find it right now. Can any of my compatriots help ???

I never thought that Schackenborg was the best solution for the hay fever suffering Prince Joachim! He didn't really have a choice,and maybe he would have preferred a different career, e.g. in the Armed Forces.

A photo of the Schacks and the royal family from 1978
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Mandy · #62 02-23-2009, 05:52 PM

Just deleted some off-topic posts. If you have questions about Danish schools and taxes or what have you, please ask them in Members' Corner or by private message.

Thanks,
Mandy

lyndaW · #63 02-24-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Viv

This is what I've read too! Alledgedly one of the original stipulations from 1661 was that Schackenborg should be returned to the Crown if there were no male heirs. I am not sure whether this was still in force when Count Hans Schack handed back the estate to the Queen in 1978, but I think that I remember him saying something to this effect!

Schackenborg was given back to "The Crown" (the Royal House) especially with the future of Prince Joachim in mind. He didn't take possession of Schackenborg till 1993.

We don't know the terms and agreement of the take-over, but it is rather obvious that one of the parties didn't do their home work! It turned out that Schackenborg was partly is disrepair, most of the inventory had been removed and there were problems with the morgages as well. It turned out to be a costly affair for the Queen!

IIRC Prince Joachim once commented on the problems of the take-over, I just cannot find it right now. Can any of my compatriots help ???

I never thought that Schackenborg was the best solution for the hay fever suffering Prince Joachim! He didn't really have a choice,and maybe he would have preferred a different career, e.g. in the Armed Forces.

A photo of the Schacks and the royal family from 1978
Politiken.dk - det levende net

VIV, thank you so much, I haven't seen most of those photos.

lyndaW · #64 02-26-2009, 01:57 PM

How much land surounds the main house, and how much land is farmed by the Prince??
Also, does he own any part of the town (hotel,chapel,etc). I read something a while back, but for the life of me I can't remember.

thanks.

Tricota · #65 02-28-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lyndaW

How much land surounds the main house, and how much land is farmed by the Prince??
Also, does he own any part of the town (hotel,chapel,etc). I read something a while back, but for the life of me I can't remember.

thanks.

Acording to Niels Peter Stilling's book, the area is about 1000 ha, and is comprised of several fields and farms beloning to the estate.

The In/hotel used to be part of Schackenborg. But Joachim had to sell it after the divorce, acording to writings in the press, to be able to afford to buy Alexandre a new house. The In is today owned by Hans Michael Jebsen, a Danish businessman living in Hong Kong, who owns several small hotels in Denmark, including Frederiksminde in Præstø.

The church used to belong to Schackenborg untill 1970. Acording to a website I found, the church has what is known as "selveje", meaning it is owned by a union or community and run by a board. I dont know if that is the norm for churches here, but I believe it is, atleast in some form.

rylt11 · #66 03-01-2009, 12:22 AM

Such an interesting history. Now that Prince Joachim has remarried and there is a royal baby on the way, perhaps he and Princess Marie would permit some pictures to be taken at this lovely home. There were some nice pictures taken there on their wedding day.

They did hold pre-wedding interviews there as well and the prince mentioned several times during those interviews that this would be "home." However, it does seem that his two sons will continue their studies in Copenhagen, and not near Schackenborg Slot. Time will tell where his future child(ren) will study.

Interesting remark about his hay fever. I agree --- it must be very hard to be associated with agriculture and be around pollen if allergic to it.

lyndaW · #67 03-01-2009, 11:44 AM

This is a very beautiful Manor and property -- am glad it is being cared for so well.

lyndaW · #68 04-30-2009, 12:41 PM

Are their any old pictures of Schackenborg when Joachim & Alexandra first married..............the Danish people gave them some sort of renovation of their home, and did they actually live their during these renovations.

Next question, what were these renovations ?

rylt11 · #69 05-01-2009, 10:39 PM

There are a few pictures of Princess Alexandra and Prince Joachim inside one or two rooms in Schackenborg as well as the long driveway. They are in different parts of The Royal Forums (like the thread of them with their two children and the christening of Felix). It would be nice to be able to see newer pictures with him and Princess Marie (plus the new baby).

The rooms that were pictured before, during the time Alexandra was there, seem to look about the same as those featured in recent interviews (pre-wedding) of the prince and new princess.

It is a beautiful place, resembling a large country estate rather than an ostentatious, heavily adorned palace. Perhaps Something like an elegant English country home.

lyndaW · #70 05-03-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rylt11

There are a few pictures of Princess Alexandra and Prince Joachim inside one or two rooms in Schackenborg as well as the long driveway. They are in different parts of The Royal Forums (like the thread of them with their two children and the christening of Felix). It would be nice to be able to see newer pictures with him and Princess Marie (plus the new baby).

The rooms that were pictured before, during the time Alexandra was there, seem to look about the same as those featured in recent interviews (pre-wedding) of the prince and new princess.

It is a beautiful place, resembling a large country estate rather than an ostentatious, heavily adorned palace. Perhaps Something like an elegant English country home.

Thank you, it sounds like you have seen this lovely Manor -- lucky you

rylt11 · #71 07-19-2009, 09:47 PM

Actually, I've never been there, but remembered details from perusing various TRF threads.

When touring, I've always been intrigued by royal homes, from the Petit Trianon to Schonbrunn and others. Unfortunately, haven't been to Denmark yet.

Viv · #72 07-20-2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lyndaW

Are their any old pictures of Schackenborg when Joachim & Alexandra first married..............the Danish people gave them some sort of renovation of their home, and did they actually live their during these renovations. Next question, what were these renovations ?

A belated answer

! :

Schackenborg was in disrepair when Prince Joachim took possession of it! Count Hans Schack (the childless previous owner who returned the castle to "the crown" ) had not been able to take on the extensive restoration needed.

The solution came in 1995, with the impending marriage. Karl Toosbuy, a local tycoon organized a "people's donation" , which eventually amounted to about 14 million Danish Kroner (ca. $ 2.5 million or £ 1.4 million)

I no longer remember what was renovated, restored, respaired! The place needed a good going over, and the donation payed for the most urgent renovations. Come to think of it: I remember something about a new roof!

Viv

rylt11 · #73 07-20-2009, 09:33 AM

Yes, some pictures that have been posted show a rather delapidated roof (perhaps some unseen leaking problems), while new pictures show a very tidy roof.

The exterior also appeared needed some updating. Today's exterior is quite nice, the cranberry colored trim offsets the rest of the colors of the structure. Very fine taste.

During their interviews the couple was asked about redecorating ideas, or new wallpaper, and Joachim commented on the fact that the rooms had a particular decoration, and that it had all been planned out carefully. This would give the impression that when the restoration was caried out, a lot of thought went into it and that it should be maintained pretty much as it is. This would hold true for the public rooms, the receiving rooms, for sure.

nulle30 · #74 08-03-2009, 09:58 AM

I have been out site the castle and meet Marie and Joachim..

Nanna
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www.marie-og-mary.blogspot.com

rylt11 · #75 08-03-2009, 03:06 PM

I wonder if nulle 30 was with a group, or how it happened, since there are big gates at Scackenborg.

Lumutqueen · #76 08-03-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rylt11

I wonder if nulle 30 was with a group, or how it happened, since there are big gates at Scackenborg.

I was thinking the same?
I can understand being outside the Castle, seeing Marie and Joachim on the other hand.

Royal Fan · #77 08-03-2009, 05:39 PM

May I Ask how many rooms are their?

lyndaW · #78 08-05-2009, 10:34 AM

How large would their dining room be --- afterall they hosted rather a large number of people for their marriage as well as the christening dinner, also how many full time people do they employ

rylt11 · #79 08-15-2009, 01:24 AM

In the christening video, the last part showed people, including the queen and prince consort, arriving at Schackenborg. Immediately beyond the front door, one could see a long table with tablecloths on it, probably set for the dinner, I would think. Folded napkins were on top, all white.

I believe that is what was shown.

ChantalC · #80 08-19-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rylt11

In the christening video, the last part showed people, including the queen and prince consort, arriving at Schackenborg. Immediately beyond the front door, one could see a long table with tablecloths on it, probably set for the dinner, I would think. Folded napkins were on top, all white.

I believe that is what was shown.

That's what I noticed too in the christening video. It looks like everything are white inside the Schackenbourg Castle.