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Old 02-29-2016, 03:59 PM
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However their countries aren't about to hold a referendum on staying in or leaving the EU. That is the problem with this speech as it was interpreted as supporting one side in a major political debate in the UK at the moment - something that is a definite no-no for a future monarch. The fact that he didn't directly refer to the EU has escaped many people but even so it was ill-advised at this point in time in the UK as one side is able to use even the reference to closer union with the world as meaning closer union with the UK at a time when many people there are getting ready to vote to leave that organisation.
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Old 02-29-2016, 05:34 PM
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How many of the people who are upset actually read what he said? Not many I would guess. Probably just saw a headline on an article. I read his speech. He told diplomats that the UK has been an outward looking nation and that it had to continue to work with other countries. He cited the cooperation with the Japanese after the earthquake as a example. He mentioned NATO. He is right.

No country can go it alone anymore. You need help from your neighbors and allies to share information about security threats and intelligence, recovery from unexpected events, sharing the defense costs. Not to mention the global economy.


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Old 02-29-2016, 05:52 PM
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:03 PM
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To be honest, I'm a little bit stumped about what else he could have said to a room full of Foreign Office diplomats. International co-operation is kind of their thing.

You don't accept an invitation to someone's house and then studiously avoid talking about the travel slides they're showing you, or tell them that they shouldn't have taken them. It's rude. You go, you watch the slides, and you say "those are great slides, you look like you had a great time".

Similarly, you don't accept an invitation to the Foreign Office and then avoid discussing their work. You listen to what they're showing you about the new training program, and then praise the work they're doing. That's the point of going.

Do people think he should have cancelled because of Brexit? Or, if not, what do people who disagree with what he said think his speech should have contained instead?
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Old 02-29-2016, 09:30 PM
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Good post hal. Great to get your common sense views on this topic. Also I would believe that any of these types of speeches would have been screened by the government before being delivered.
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Old 02-29-2016, 10:20 PM
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How many of the people who are upset actually read what he said? Not many I would guess. Probably just saw a headline on an article. I read his speech. He told diplomats that the UK has been an outward looking nation and that it had to continue to work with other countries. He cited the cooperation with the Japanese after the earthquake as a example. He mentioned NATO. He is right.

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I agree with everything you've stated Skippyboo.
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Old 02-29-2016, 11:23 PM
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Good post hal. Great to get your common sense views on this topic. Also I would believe that any of these types of speeches would have been screened by the government before being delivered.
LOL - the government is officially on the side of "remain", so I'm sure they had NO problem whatsoever with his remarks as given.
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Old 03-07-2016, 06:00 PM
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:48 PM
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Calamity William, and the courtiers who won’t say 'no!' Revealed: The REAL reason our ‘workshy’ Prince keeps blundering from one public relations gaffe to another

By Katie Nicholl, Royal Correspondent For The Mail On Sunday
Published: 18:23 EST, 12 March 2016 | Updated: 19:32 EST, 12 March 2016
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:45 PM
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Katie Nicholl's story is interesting and I have no doubt that William does like to have his own way and that his staff won't say no to him.

But the piece ignores the huge gaping hole that is the press's collective decision that William needed to be taken down a peg or two, and that the narrative has been crafted quite deliberately to do just that.

William's 2015 event total, and its relationship to HM & PP's, went public in the first week of January. It didn't become a major issue until February, though that's not the way that Nicholl's story is written; if you read her story, you'd be excused for thinking that the details "emerged" after Kate's stint editing the Huffington Post. If you read her story, you'd think that he made a gaffe at the FO and *then* Kate pissed off the press with the HuffPo piece. But they were already pissed off about HuffPo by the time the speech happened, and I'm convinced that it informed their decision to spin it as a gaffe.

And, ultimately, I think that the HuffPo piece is the lynchpin to the narrative. The british press pack were so incredibly offended by it that they've spun everything since as negatively as possible. They decided his speech at the FO was ripe for a negative spin and gave it one. They brought up, again, the 2015 totals (which had already been reported on at the beginning of January) and then dug up someone at EAAA willing to complain. They blew their tops at the ski trip and dug up every bit of mud they could to fling about it.

Now, the KP office has made some huge blunders, no doubt. The CAA reproving them was flatly embarrassing. But as long as the press continues to pretend that they don't spin just as much as Jason Knauf does, and admit that they bear responsibility for at least part of the continuing decline in the situation, it's going to keep spiraling down.

The press keep trying to get William to fall in line by pissing him off, and it's never going to work (again "behaviour such as this is unlikely to induce me to be explicit"). As much as William needs the press, he has all the time in the world to turn the narrative around -- and if you don't think he can do that, look at Anne in 1980 vs Anne in 1990, or even 1985. I'm not convinced that the press pack has the same job security.
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At the end of the day, advisors are there to advise, not make the final decision.

I'd like to know the name of any courtier who has put their 'foot down' with the Queen or Prince Charles

William, Kate and Harry all have their own private secretaries and unless Katie Nicholl is privy to their conversations, she has no way of knowing what the advice is that William is supposedly not listening to

There was a unified press office in 2014 run by Charles that was a disaster by all accounts and it went back to individual offices

And after the disastrous years of Mark Bolland working for Charles and Camilla, the Queen had enough and stepped in and appointed her own courtier, Sir Michael Peat to oversee the Prince of Wales' household.

Since this isn't happening with the Cambridges and Harry, I will assume everything is okay
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:17 PM
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Katie Nicholl's story is interesting and I have no doubt that William does like to have his own way and that his staff won't say no to him.

But the piece ignores the huge gaping hole that is the press's collective decision that William needed to be taken down a peg or two, and that the narrative has been crafted quite deliberately to do just that.

William's 2015 event total, and its relationship to HM & PP's, went public in the first week of January. It didn't become a major issue until February, though that's not the way that Nicholl's story is written; if you read her story, you'd be excused for thinking that the details "emerged" after Kate's stint editing the Huffington Post. If you read her story, you'd think that he made a gaffe at the FO and *then* Kate pissed off the press with the HuffPo piece. But they were already pissed off about HuffPo by the time the speech happened, and I'm convinced that it informed their decision to spin it as a gaffe.

And, ultimately, I think that the HuffPo piece is the lynchpin to the narrative. The british press pack were so incredibly offended by it that they've spun everything since as negatively as possible. They decided his speech at the FO was ripe for a negative spin and gave it one. They brought up, again, the 2015 totals (which had already been reported on at the beginning of January) and then dug up someone at EAAA willing to complain. They blew their tops at the ski trip and dug up every bit of mud they could to fling about it.

Now, the KP office has made some huge blunders, no doubt. The CAA reproving them was flatly embarrassing. But as long as the press continues to pretend that they don't spin just as much as Jason Knauf does, and admit that they bear responsibility for at least part of the continuing decline in the situation, it's going to keep spiraling down.

The press keep trying to get William to fall in line by pissing him off, and it's never going to work (again "behaviour such as this is unlikely to induce me to be explicit"). As much as William needs the press, he has all the time in the world to turn the narrative around -- and if you don't think he can do that, look at Anne in 1980 vs Anne in 1990, or even 1985. I'm not convinced that the press pack has the same job security.
Excellent summary of the situation hel. I agree that the desperation is coming from the press and they know their days are numbered.
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:29 PM
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Post #231 by hel is a really good summary of the real situation.

I am continually surprised that anyone believes what the DM says. Katie Nicholls and Richard Kay have been caught out too many times to be believed. In the last 5 days Richard Kay has even contradicted himself, and Katie Nicholls would need a compass to get back on track.

The current situation is more about press survival than Royal survival
. Not one paper in the UK is making money, and neither are the online alternatives. Last time we saw this sort of fight back (albeit more serious event) was when Diana died. The immediate response of the British people was to turn on the press. So what did the press do? Turn it round and blame HMQ. With hindsight we know what HMQ did in looking after her grandchildren was the right thing. But the press fooled the public and we shouldn't ever let it happen again.

And this time the press are fighting to survive
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Old 03-13-2016, 12:04 AM
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As much as William needs the press, he has all the time in the world to turn the narrative around -- and if you don't think he can do that, look at Anne in 1980 vs Anne in 1990, or even 1985. I'm not convinced that the press pack has the same job security.
There is a big difference between Princess Anne and William.

Princess Anne always received great press. By the mid 1980s, she was mostly only covered by the local press and they gave her great reviews.

Her recent visit, there was over 90 photographs. The national press judged her by her appearance and have rarely followed Anne since 1981 when the press had someone younger who almost always wore a different outfit for each outing vs Princess Anne who continually rewore the same outfit.

William on the other hand rarely does local events so is not followed by the local press but the national press.

Anne has been respected for her work since 1970.

Princess Anne comments about the press in this 1981 documentary where they followed her around for a year. 4 parts. She also comments about Australia republic ambitions.






The press always respected Anne for her hard work. Princess Anne did did not cancel her trip to Fiji in 1980 even though she was pregnant.
The four part documentary was shot when she was 6 and 7 months pregnant.

Princess Anne did several interviews in the early 1980s and she talked about the press and why she has her 'reputation.

There was never any accusation that Anne was workshy or lazy.
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The press needs work, of course, but I think I the Cambridge's advisors, press team and the couple themselves have to make a few adjustments. Perhaps, things will smooth out by the time of the royal tour and birthday celebrations. Things have been way too testy lately.
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There is a big difference between Princess Anne and William.

Princess Anne always received great press. By the mid 1980s, she was mostly only covered by the local press and they gave her great reviews.

Her recent visit, there was over 90 photographs. The national press judged her by her appearance and have rarely followed Anne since 1981 when the press had someone younger who almost always wore a different outfit for each outing vs Princess Anne who continually rewore the same outfit.

William on the other hand rarely does local events so is not followed by the local press but the national press.

Anne has been respected for her work since 1970.

Princess Anne comments about the press in this 1981 documentary where they followed her around for a year. 4 parts. She also comments about Australia republic ambitions.

The press always respected Anne for her hard work. Princess Anne did did not cancel her trip to Fiji in 1980 even though she was pregnant.
The four part documentary was shot when she was 6 and 7 months pregnant.

Princess Anne did several interviews in the early 1980s and she talked about the press and why she has her 'reputation.

There was never any accusation that Anne was workshy or lazy.
She hasn't always received great press. Here's an article from 1985 that talks about some of the negative press she received.

Hardwork brings Anne in from the cold
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Old 03-13-2016, 03:23 AM
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Princess Anne had her testy moments with the media. Now days, they pretty much have a great deal of respect for her. They don't cover her much, to her relief, but her hard work and dedication to the "Firm" has earned her a spot on the "its all good" list.
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She hasn't always received great press. Here's an article from 1985 that talks about some of the negative press she received.

Hardwork brings Anne in from the cold
That is just one person's view. I suggest you look at the videos from 1970 onward. It is just some in the press who created the image.

Princess Anne discusses her 'reputation' in several of these interviews. In one, not sure if uploaded, she said the national press write stories about her even though they were not in attendance.

How can someone write that Anne was surly if they were never there?

The local press always praises Princess Anne.

I can upload even more of Princess Anne interviews from the 1980s as she did several and she discussed how & why she received her 'reputation' and from whom.

Seeing her interviews and hearing how her 'reputation' can into being is more accurate than one person's opinion.

His opinion is also very inaccurate as she was never labeled as lazy.

When the press followed her in 1970/1 for her first visit to Africa for Save the Children she was praised as hard working.

In 1980/81, she was praised as hard working.
The person following her could not keep up with her and said to her that maybe she should take it easy.

In 1984, interview she was praised as hard working both in the Australian interview and the BBC interviews.

In 1987 she was also praised a hard working.

They praised her for her commitment to her royals duties and her
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That I open the DM on my daily round of British newspapers (The Guardian, The Independent, The Telegraph and The Times) and then not once but really for days see "Work-Shy" as adjective to the Duke of Duchess of Cambridge, in connection with their winter-break. This is so low, so under the belt. I know DM is one of the worst but they still are one of the biggest too. This sort of wham! right in da' face insults is unseen in regular media on the Continent. Even the feared Bild Zeitung in republican Germany has a more appreciative tone for the Cambridges than the own British newspapers. Good heavens!
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