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I have also read that Princess Margaret had porphyria, but it's really hard to know since the royals don't usually comment about their health issues. That might have accounted for Margaret's erratic behavior, but I always ascribed her behavior to alcohol and possible depression.
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Hi, this is my first post here but I've been lurking for a few days now.

I read a short biography of Prince William of Gloucester about 25 years ago. I do remember when he was killed in that plane crash. I remember reading that he worked in Japan for a time too He was great friends with Princess Chichibu who was the widow of the then-Emperor's younger brother.

Regarding porphyria, could it be that Princess Margaret's depression was exacerbated by her porphyria?
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The other Prince William: The uncanny parallels between Wills and the dashing but doomed cousin in whose memory he was named | Mail Online

The other Prince William
The uncanny parallels between Wills and the dashing but doomed cousin in whose memory he was named


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Two men named William. Both princes, both pilots. Both polo players with a taste for danger. Both Eton-educated, handsome men of the world. One is destined to be our future king, while the other has been long-forgotten.

Yet it is after Prince William of Gloucester, who died young in 1972, that the Duke of Cambridge was named. Next month, the older prince should have been celebrating his 70th birthday, but his life was cut tragically short. William of Gloucester, son of the Queen’s uncle the Duke of Gloucester, was Prince Charles’s hero — the man upon whom the future king modelled himself, and whose example, in so many things, Charles followed.

William of Gloucester was just 30 when the Piper Arrow single-engine aircraft he was piloting in an air race crashed, killing him and his co-pilot outright. The shock that ran through the Royal Family was colossal, but the person most affected by the loss was his first cousin once removed, Prince Charles, who was 23 at the time.

He was the first member of the Royal Family to gain a university place through open competition, the first to arrive without the shadow of a private detective. When he went up in 1960, college staff were instructed to address him as ‘Prince William, Sir’, though the bedmakers who tidied his rooms soon slipped into calling him ‘Mr Prince William’. William was bold, stylish, different. Like his present-day namesake, he loved skiing, shooting and nightclubs — and drove a high-powered sports car.

He signed up for a course at Stanford University in California, broadening his knowledge with the study of American history, German and Russian affairs, and economics. He then travelled incognito through America and Canada. He took a job at Lazard’s merchant bank but hated it. Then, after three attempts at passing rigorous Foreign Office entrance exams, he won himself a job as Third Secretary at the British High Commission in Nigeria.

It was while here that he became aware of the first symptoms of a rare and incurable blood disease called porphyria — the self-same condition that had seized his ancestor George III, and from whom he had probably inherited it through several generations. And when Alan Bennett wrote The Madness Of King George, his Oscar-winning 1994 film, Prince Charles — having learned at first hand through conversations with his cousin William the perils of the disease — interested himself deeply in the production.

As a result, all royal children are now routinely screened for this rare but pernicious condition.

Despite suffering fevers, nausea, and dizziness, William determined it should not affect his career or his leisure pursuits, and applied for a Second Secretary’s job at the British Embassy in Japan. William later resigned from the Foreign Office and took over the running of the family estate. The porphyria which had developed years before had not gone away, and he suffered increasingly uncomfortable symptoms. To ease the stress which came with those symptoms, he stepped up his flying, entering air competitions in his Piper Arrow.

It was on August 28, 1972, that William took off, accompanied by an experienced co-pilot, Lt-Commander Vyrell Mitchell. They were taking part in the Goodyear International Air Trophy being held at Halfpenny Green near Wolverhampton. Soon after take-off, the plane executed a 120-degree turn towards the first leg of the course. ‘The angle of turn made by the Piper Arrow was observed to be too steep,’ according to his old Cambridge supervisor, Dr Ronald Hyam. ‘The aircraft lost height, cut through the top of a large tree, losing part of its wing, then rolled over, diving inverted into the ground, and burst into flames. Both pilots were killed instantly.’ As Dr Hyam adds: ‘It was a desperately sad and terrible end to the life of a remarkable young man of many talents, admired by all who knew him.’

Prince Charles, for a time, paid his own personal tribute to his cousin by growing the mutton-chop whiskers that were William’s trademark. He emulated his cousin on the polo field, on the ski-slopes, in the air, on the grouse moor — and in the bedroom. His relationship with the then Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles had more than an echo of William’s own passionate love for Zsuzui Starkloff.

But in the naming of his first-born son after Prince William of Gloucester, Charles paid the greatest tribute possible to the man he most admired in the world.
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I would take the fiest part of the story about Charles & William and thier supposed closeness with a huge grain of salt but the rest of the story was interesting.
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My dear NGalitzine,

Do you know that the two were not that close? I took from the story that Charles was sort of awestruck by his mother's cousin and Charles wanted to emulate him, not that the two were especially close. However, if Charles did name his first born after this man, that indicates a very close relationship.
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I would take the fiest part of the story about Charles & William and thier supposed closeness with a huge grain of salt but the rest of the story was interesting.

Why would you take that with a grain of salt?

It is not uncommon for young boys to look to an older cousin as a big brother, if they don't have one of their own, and William (along with his younger brother Richard) fitted that bill nicely.


Whether they would have remained close as the 70s unfolded and Charles started to make his own way in the world we will never know but that a young boy/teenager wouldn't be close to an older cousin is perfectly feasible.
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I would take it with a grain of salt because of their age disparity and the limited amount of time they would have had to know each other. When Charles was quite young William would already have been away at school and then at Cambridge and Stanford. Charles was off at school in Scotland. By the time Charles was at Cambridge William would have been in Nigeria and then Japan. When William returned to England to look after Barnwell due to his fathers failing health Charles was off on active duty with the Royal Navy. William's life was pretty low key as far as public awareness of his existence went (similar to his brother Richard) so I am unclear where the "glamorous prince" angle comes from, other than the fact that he was quite good looking. There would have been pretty limited opportunities for the 2 princes to know each other very well, and meeting other than at perhaps the Trooping of the Colour or some other large family event such as weddings seems unlikely. The Gloucesters spent their free time at Barnwell when not on official duties, while the Queen and her family would be at Windsor/Sandringham/Balmoral.
Charles went to Cambridge because that is where the palace determined he should go, as had his grandfather before him. Charles has talked about how everything was planned out for him and he really didnt have any say in things. Charles played polo because his father played polo. The Duke of Cambridge is named William because it was a name Charles and Diana liked. They said so at the time that they didnt really know anyone named Willam who was close to them, seemingly having forgotten William of Gloucester.

I am not saying the DM story isn't possibly true, I just have my doubts about it......as I do with most items in the DM. It was a nice article though.
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How interesting to read about Prince William of Gloucester.

Whether Charles and William were that close I do not know. But, oddly enough, I have no difficulty in believing that Charles looked up to William! I am giving my age away somewhat , but I did post about Prince William a few months back; I will try to find the post again [think it was on a York thread, oddly enough] but basically, I was describing how, when I was a young schoolgirl, Prince William really was THE handsome, man-about-town debonair, brave action-man Prince of his time. He skied very well [at at time before package market ski holidays had taken off and so the whole thing was imbued with a sort of jet-set glamour]. He could pilot a plane, he drove a fast sportscar. He dated beautiful [but highly eligible] aristocratic 'Park Lane gels' [a form of Sloane Ranger before that species was codified.] As I said when I posted previously, he was a type of 'royal James Bond'. Girls adored him. And, as I also posted at the time, it seemed so odd to be posting as I did, because here in 2011 everyone has all but forgotten all about him..........

Even setting-aside the reservations that people have about the DM, because of the shortage of 'dashing handsome role model princes' of the 1960's, I have no difficulty in believing that Prince Charles really did look up to his cousin as a role-model. Prince Michael was seen as relatively quieter and Prince Richard was even quieter and very studious. Prince Charles, I think,always wanted to model himself on all-action heros [possibly because he so admired Lord Mountbatten] and I really do think that Prince William was the most likely role-model.

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Oh, my, yes, Alex. Prince William was the cat's whiskers. I remember the day his plane crashed. That night at the pub, all us girls were just beside ourselves that he was gone. He was the epitomy of many a girls' dreams of the perfect man. Only 30, and he was gone.
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I remember a number of the older girls at my school were upset about his death as he was the 'dream boat' prince at the time - more dashing than his brother and Charles was still at uni so not yet fully launched.
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A well-put together tribute to the late Prince William of Gloucester made up of many photographs.


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Excerpts from Prince William of Gloucester Bio

On the eve of Queen Elizabeth II’s Diamond Jubilee celebrations, excerpts from a new biography about her cousin, Britain’s Prince William of Gloucester, who was a page in her wedding and died at age 30 in 1972, have been made available, click: Prince William of Gloucester Book
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Here is article I found on him, pretty good little site!

http://www.annie-sturgis.com/prince-...of-gloucester/
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My dear Jenafran,

Thank you for posting the interesting link. I believe the author of the link made a glaring error -- Prince William was not the son of Marina -- she was his aunt who was married to the Duke of Kent. I think Princess Alice was his mother.
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Porphyria affected more than one of Victoria's children

It affected at least two more, Princess Vicki and her daughter Charlotte. DNA was done on the bones of Vicki and Charlotte, with the gracious permission of their families. Proved that they had Variegate Porphyria. This is what I read, in any case, in the book The Purple Secret. Supposedly Feodora, Charlotte's daughter, also had it, but this was not subject to DNA scrutiny.

William of Gloucester was diagnosed both in England in the Far East where he was working. I read that his mother, Princess Alice, noticed lesions on his face which can appear in some types of Porphyria, due to sun sensitivity.

Variegate Porphyria (like most porphyria) is a dominant gene, so one of Prince William of Gloucester's parents had it. Sometimes it does not display intense symptomology, because it mostly produces symptoms in the face of "triggers", which can be prescription drugs (not all prescriptions, however) a few foods, many environmental triggers such as new carpeting, new composite cabinetry, herbicides, pesticides, and gasoline fumes, and some endogenous triggers such as hormone changes, especially in women.

It seems unlikely that the present Duke of Gloucester, Richard, or his family, have Porphyria. He did not seem to inherit. Inheritance is at 50% on average.
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I have also read that Princess Margaret had porphyria, but it's really hard to know since the royals don't usually comment about their health issues. That might have accounted for Margaret's erratic behavior, but I always ascribed her behavior to alcohol and possible depression.
Why is it that anyone unstable in the BRF is doomed to be under suspicion of porphyria ,when there could be so many other reasons...
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Excellent thinking, Auntie. Porphyria IS hard to diagnose in some cases, because of tests that may not be done properly, but there ARE tests, especially for those in the royal family who may have the same DNA in this area. There are very good testers in France, for instance, at the French Porphyria Institute.
Although I have thought some other royals may have the disease, from symptoms and sometimes behavior (not all porphs "act out" in noticeable behavior) I have only mentioned those who are actually diagnosed by some medical means, whatever was available in modern times or in, say, the time of James I/VI of England and Scotland.

I do not have any knowledge of Princess Margaret having had porphyria. But if she was depressed or erratic, it could possibly have been the combination of drinking alcohol and having a Porphyria trait just waiting to be triggered by alcohol. Porphyria patients cannot drink ANY alcohol. If they do, and if they can remain conscious during it, they will inevitably become erratic and/or deeply depressed. It is a biological reaction.
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Thank you for those wonderful pictures of Prince William of Gloucester and his family, and even his girlfriend, also amazing looking. The YouTube presentation, with music, is marvelous, don't miss that one even if you have seen other pictures. As he got older (closer to 30, his final year) he looked a little heavier, a little tiny bit like the actor Liam Neeson when he was younger...that's not a perfect comparison but one can't help comparing. He was beginning to look a little more like his father Henry, but still had the chiseled features of his mother Princess Alice.
This is the first time I've taken a good look at Prince William of Gloucester, and I am impressed. Can't thank you enough.
The only other YouTube presentation I have seen similar to this is one of Guillaume of Luxembourg, also with great music. It is called just Prince Guillaume. Guillaume is also now 30 years of age.
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How the Queen sabotaged my passionate affair with her cousin: Zsuzsi Starkloff tells the story of how Prince William of Gloucester fell for her and scandalised the royals in the process
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Forty years on, she still wears the prince’s ring on a chain around her neck, its weight and royal insignia a daily reminder of what might have been. She could have married into the Royal Family, but instead she lives a modest existence on a mountain-top in Colorado, many thousands of miles from the world and the intrigues of the House of Windsor which caused her downfall. Otherwise, Hungarian-born Zsuzsi Starkloff could have been Duchess of Gloucester, with a sprawling estate in Northamptonshire and a grace-and-favour apartment in Kensington Palace. Her natural modesty and cool good looks would have won her many admirers and a place in the nation’s heart.
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No doubt somewhat overstated, but for what it's worth...

MailOnline, 25 August 2012

How the Queen sabotaged my passionate affair with her cousin: Zsuzsi Starkloff tells the story of how Prince William of Gloucester fell for her and scandalised the royals in the process

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Forty years on, she still wears the prince’s ring on a chain around her neck, its weight and royal insignia a daily reminder of what might have been. She could have married into the Royal Family, but instead she lives a modest existence on a mountain-top in Colorado, many thousands of miles from the world and the intrigues of the House of Windsor which caused her downfall.

Otherwise, Hungarian-born Zsuzsi Starkloff could have been Duchess of Gloucester, with a sprawling estate in Northamptonshire and a grace-and-favour apartment in Kensington Palace. Her natural modesty and cool good looks would have won her many admirers and a place in the nation’s heart. Instead, the unseen forces of the Establishment and a fatal plane crash put paid to a love which, though it remained largely secret, shook the royal court to its core.

Today, surrounded by mementos and photographs of her ill-starred affair, 78-year-old Mrs Starkloff has broken her decades-long silence to talk to the Mail about the love of her life. In August, 1972, her lover, the spectacularly handsome Prince William of Gloucester, died instantly, aged just 30, when his Piper Arrow light aircraft stalled on a tight turn in an air race and crashed to the ground. A grandson of King George V, he was the Queen’s first cousin and the most dazzling royal of his generation. Clever, cool, athletic and muscular, William was a hero-figure to the young Prince Charles, who modelled himself on his older cousin and, ten years later, named his first-born after him.

But despite his natural gifts, the prince’s one fatal flaw was that he had fallen for an older woman who was both a divorcee and a foreigner. The prince could have anything he wanted in life, but not her. For the powers-that-be at Buckingham Palace had already labelled Zsuzsi Starkloff ‘the new Mrs Simpson’ and were out to break the romance in any way they could.

The rules surrounding royalty back in the 1970s were very different. On the plus side, Prince William took his royal position extremely seriously. For him, the idea of being caught with his trousers down, a la Prince Harry, would be repugnant. On the minus side, the nation’s first family was propped up by a cant and hypocrisy which extended all the way up to the Queen herself. In 1972, William’s clear intention to wed a divorcee was greeted with apoplectic horror, and yet only six years later his cousin, Prince Michael of Kent, did just that, marrying a Czech-born divorcee with the full approval of the Queen and court.

Today, Mrs Starkloff looks back with a surprising lack of rancour at the way she was forced out of her lover Prince William’s life. She says: ‘He explained to me that it was his family’s fear that he would be likened to the Duke of Windsor. They wanted an end to the affair.’ ‘William had a huge loyalty to his family — he wanted to do the right thing — and of course I supported him in that,’ says Mrs Starkloff, lightly shrugging off the Mrs Simpson parallel. ‘He had to make up his own mind, and he did that without influence from me.’

The couple met when William, aged 27 and on attachment to the Foreign Office, was working as a junior diplomat at the British Embassy in Tokyo. Tall, slim and beguilingly charming, he’d had a string of girlfriends but became smitten by Zsuszi, a Hungarian ex-model, after the pair met at a party. ‘He was quite a man,’ recalls Mrs Starkloff. ‘He was very manly, very passionate. And mature beyond his years.’

From the start, the prince was transfixed. He wrote home to his parents, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, asking what their reaction
‘They were against it,’ Zsuzsi says. ‘It came as no shock to me. I was seven years older than William for a start, divorced, and a different religion. I knew it was doomed.’ Even so, still he persevered. His old schoolfriend, Giles St Aubyn, recalled: ‘She was witty, intelligent, attractive. William sparkled in her company. ‘But the relationship overshadowed everything else. It resulted in a period of great anguish for him, for it involved him in disagreements with his friends and family.’ One friend from that time, businessman Shigeo Kitano, recalls seeing the couple together: ‘Prince William was obviously deeply in love with her. She was very beautiful.

Zsuzsi recalls: ‘He organised a trip to Scotland to visit his uncle, the Duke of Buccleuch, and we spent some time there before going to the Prince’s country home, Barnwell. His father had suffered a stroke and was very ill. He was in a wheelchair. ‘I had a wonderful welcome from the Duchess (of Gloucester). She was warm and friendly, sitting with her flowers and her needlework, and we chatted. But she was very reserved and it was hard to know what she was really thinking.’ Much the same as all the other royals, no doubt? ‘She didn’t show it, but I’m sure that it was there,’ says Mrs Starkloff.

Mrs Starkloff is in no doubt that, having twice apparently deserted her, it was now William’s intention to show his commitment by proposing marriage. However, it was not to be. On August 28, 1972, he climbed into the pilot’s seat of his Piper Cherokee Arrow at an air race near Wolverhampton in the West Midlands, and perished when his plane crashed and burst into flames within minutes of take-off. He died wearing a replica of the ring that he gave Zsuzsi — made for him by craftsmen at her special request. Two years later, when his father died, the royal dukedom that should have come to him passed instead to his younger brother, Richard. What caused the pilot error which took the life of both Prince William and his co-pilot Vyrell Mitchell will never be known.

‘Perhaps my fondest memory is of a formal dinner, with many tables,’ she says now. ‘We had only met once before. He walked slowly across the room and came up to me and asked: “May I borrow Cinderella for a dance?” ‘He died wearing my ring. And I still think about him every day.’
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