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Old 12-09-2012, 06:05 PM
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Weekly update to 6th December

The Queen had one very busy day this week where she had 9 engagements - 2 audiences, received individually another 5 people and then attended a gala concert and presented a medal - now some would say that attending the concert and presenting the medal should be one engagement but lots of royals simply attend gala concert and don't do anything else - hence the reason I counted it as two.

HM The Queen - 555 (544 - up 11)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 394 (394 - no change)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 645 (637 – up 8)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 323 (319 – up 4)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 93 (93 - no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123 (123 - no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (71 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 435 (419 - up 16)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (20 - no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (16 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 451 (448 - up 3)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 357 (352 – up 5)
HRH The Princess Royal - 556 (547 – up 9)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 346 (339 – up 7)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 147 (146 – up 1)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 240 (235 – up 5)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (8 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (23 – no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 101 (100 – up 1)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 645
HRH The Princess Royal - 556
HM The Queen – 555
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 451
HRH The Duke of York - 435
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 394
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 357
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 346
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 323
HRH The Duke of Kent - 240
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 147
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123
HRH Princess Alexandra - 101
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 93
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8

Year to date total - 4926


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Old 12-15-2012, 04:31 PM
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Weekly update to 13th December


Big problem this week - according to the CC there were NO engagements carried out by any members of the BRF on the 12th or 13th December yet from reading reports and this site I know that Charles and Camilla were out and about - Charles doing an investiture etc. It also appears that The Queen and Philip were also doing things but...I only have access to the CC from the British monarchy website and as that hasn't been updated I can't include any figures for these two days. This has happened before when the dates were scrambled but another source I had then put the details online from The Times - had a printed copy and typed them up - no luck like that this time.

Another note - last week William according to the CC William attended the Military Tournament but the DM, and other papers, reported that he had pulled out. As The Queen has to approve what is published in the CC it seems strange that she would approve notice going out that William carried out a duty when the press could clearly report that he hadn't carried out that duty. As the duty was reported in the CC it has remained in the count.

HM The Queen - 566 (555 - up 11)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 399 (394 - up 5)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 655 (645 – up 10)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 329 (323 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 95 (93 - no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123 (123 - no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (71 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 446 (435 - up 19)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (20 - no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (16 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (451 - up 3)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (357 – up 3)
HRH The Princess Royal - 558 (556 – up 98
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 351 (346 – up 5)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 149 (147 – up 2)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 244 (240 – up 4)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (8 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (23 – no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 102 (101 – up 1)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 655
HM The Queen – 566
HRH The Princess Royal - 558
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454
HRH The Duke of York - 446
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 399
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 351
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 329
HRH The Duke of Kent - 244
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 149
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123
HRH Princess Alexandra - 102
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 95
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8

Year to date total - 4991
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:41 PM
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Engagements for 13th December

Activities for the 13th - the investiture is under Buckingham Palace.

Buckingham Palace
13th December, 2012
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh this morning visited the Bank of England and were received by the Rt Hon the Lord Mayor (Alderman Roger Gifford) and the Governor of the Bank of England (Sir Mervyn King).
Her Majesty and His Royal Highness, escorted respectively by Mr Gareth Ramsay (Head of Division supporting Independent Reviewers of the Bank’s performance) and Ms Victoria Cleland (Head of Banknotes Division), toured the Bank, viewing various operations and meeting members of staff.
The Prince of Wales, on behalf of The Queen, held an Investiture at Buckingham Palace this morning.

Clarence House
13th December, 2012
The Prince of Wales this afternoon received His Excellency Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber bin Muhammad Al Thani (Prime Minister of the State of Qatar).
His Royal Highness later attended an Accounting for Sustainability Forum at St James’s Palace and subsequently held a Reception at Clarence House.
The Duchess of Cornwall, Patron, Emmaus UK, this morning visited Emmaus Hampshire, Bar End Road, Winchester, and was received by Her Majesty’s Lord-Lieutenant of Hampshire (Dame Mary Fagan).
Her Royal Highness, President, the National Osteoporosis Society, later visited the Osteoporosis Centre and Medical Research Council Lifecourse Epidemiology Unit at Southampton General Hospital, Tremona Road, Southampton.
The Duchess of Cornwall this afternoon visited MS Queen Victoria at Ocean Terminal, Southampton.
Buckingham Palace
13th December, 2012
The Duke of York this afternoon received Mr Gary Winnick (Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pacific Capital Group).
Buckingham Palace
13th December, 2012
The Princess Royal, Patron, the Butler Trust, this morning visited HM Prison Liverpool, 68 Hornby Road, Liverpool, and was received by Her Majesty’s Lord-Lieutenant of Merseyside (Dame Lorna Muirhead).
Her Royal Highness, President, Carers Trust, this afternoon visited Knowsley Carers Centre, 143 Bewley Drive, Liverpool.
The Princess Royal, President, Riding for the Disabled Association, afterwards visited Beechley Stables, Harthill Road, Liverpool.
Kensington Palace
13th December, 2012
The Duke of Gloucester, President, Royal Agricultural Benevolent Institution, this evening attended a Carol Service in Dorchester Abbey and was received by Her Majesty’s Lord-Lieutenant of Oxfordshire (Mr Timothy Stevenson).
St James’s Palace
13th December, 2012
The Duke of Kent this morning visited Ultra Electronics, Bridport Road, Greenford, Middlesex, and was received by Mr Robert Leader (Deputy Lieutenant of Greater London).
His Royal Highness this afternoon visited 562 Transport Squadron, Territorial Army Centre, Hayes Bridge, Southall, Middlesex.
The Duke of Kent later visited Pitzhanger Manor, Walpole Park, London W5.
Thatched House Lodge Richmond Park
13th December, 2012
Princess Alexandra, Patron, this evening attended the New Bridge Foundation Celebration of Christmas in the Parish Church of St George, Hanover Square, London W1.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:44 PM
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Buckingham Palace
12th December, 2012
His Excellency Mr Bernard Sande was received in audience by The Queen today and presented the Letters of Recall of her predecessor and her own Letters of Commission as High Commissioner for the Republic of Malawi in London.
Mrs Sande was also received by Her Majesty.
His Excellency Mr Mahmud Nacua was received in audience by The Queen and presented the Letters of Recall of his predecessor and his own Letters of Credence as Ambassador from Libya to the Court of St James’s.
Mrs Nacua was also received by Her Majesty.
Mr Simon Fraser (Permanent Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs) was present.
The Queen, Colonel-in-Chief, The Canadian Grenadier Guards, received Colonel Alfred Caron (Honorary Colonel), Lieutenant Colonel Richard Pound (Honorary Lieutenant Colonel), Lieutenant Colonel Michael Canavan (Commanding Officer) and Regimental Sergeant Major Robert Kingsley.
The Rt Hon Gregory Knight MP (Vice Chamberlain of the Household) was received in audience by The Queen and presented Addresses from the House of Commons to which Her Majesty was graciously pleased to make reply.
The Queen held a Council at 5.45pm.
There were present: the Rt Hon Nicholas Clegg MP (Lord President), the Rt Hon Michael Gove MP (Secretary of State for Education), the Rt Hon Christopher Grayling MP (Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice), the Rt Hon Philip Hammond MP (Secretary of State for Defence), the Rt Hon Theresa May MP (Secretary of State for the Home Department) and the Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP (Secretary of State for Transport).
Mr Richard Tilbrook was in attendance as Clerk of the Council.
The Rt Hon Nicholas Clegg MP had an audience of Her Majesty before the Council.
The Rt Hon David Cameron MP (Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury) had an audience of Her Majesty this evening.
The Duke of Edinburgh, Patron, the Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators, this morning received Air Marshal Clifford Spink (Master).
His Royal Highness, Founder and Patron, The Duke of Edinburgh’s Award International Association, this evening attended a Christmas Dinner and Concert at St James’s Palace.
Clarence House
12th December, 2012
The Prince of Wales, Chairman, the Royal Collection Trust, this morning chaired a Meeting of the Trustees.
His Royal Highness, President, Business in the Community, later held a Meeting.
The Prince of Wales this afternoon held a Meeting for Duchy Originals’ Waitrose.
The King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan later called upon His Royal Highness.
The Duchess of Cornwall this morning visited Battersea Dogs and Cats Home, 4 Battersea Park Road, London SW8, and was received by Colonel Ewen Cameron (Deputy Lieutenant of Greater London).
Her Royal Highness, Patron, this afternoon received children from Helen and Douglas House and from the London Taxi Drivers’ Fund for Underprivileged Children and helped them to decorate the Christmas Tree at Clarence House.
St James’s Palace
12th December, 2012
The Duke of Cambridge this evening attended the United Kingdom Film Première of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey at the Odeon Cinema, Leicester Square, London WC2.
Buckingham Palace
12th December, 2012
The Duke of York, Colonel-in-Chief, this morning presented medals for Operational Service in Afghanistan to members of the Small Arms School Corps.
His Royal Highness, Patron, Sound Seekers, received Ms Judith Roberts (Chairman) and Ms Lucy Carter (Chief Executive Officer).
The Duke of York this afternoon opened a new Service Training Centre at Bosch Automotive, Aftermarket Service Training Centre, Riverside Way, Uxbridge, Middlesex, and was received by Wing Commander Edna Partridge (Deputy Lieutenant of Greater London).
His Royal Highness this evening attended a Reception for the Founders Forum at the Institute of Contemporary Arts, the Mall, London SW1.
Buckingham Palace
12th December, 2012
The Princess Royal this morning visited Bournemouth University, Talbot Campus, Fern Barrow, Poole, and was received by Her Majesty’s LordLieutenant of Dorset (Mrs Anthony Pitt-Rivers).
Kensington Palace
12th December, 2012
The Duchess of Gloucester, Honorary President, the Lawn Tennis Association, this afternoon attended the Annual General Meeting and presented the Meritorious Service Awards at the National Tennis Centre, 100 Priory Lane, Roehampton, London SW15.
St James’s Palace
12th December, 2012
The Duke of Kent, Grand Master, United Grand Lodge of England, this evening attended a Royal Alpha Lodge Installation Meeting at Freemasons’ Hall, Great Queen Street, London WC2.
Thatched House Lodge Richmond Park
12th December, 2012
Princess Alexandra, Patron, this afternoon visited St Christopher’s Hospice, 51-59 Lawrie Park Road, Sydenham, London SE26.
Her Royal Highness this evening attended the Royal British Legion’s Christmas Celebration Reception and Concert at Guildhall, Gresham Street, London EC2.


Really busy 2 days - hope this helps.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:02 PM
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Thanks to Cepe for the information for the 12th and 13th so here is the edited Weekly update to 13th December


HM The Queen - 574 (555 - up 19)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 404 (394 - up 10)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 663 (645 – up 18)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 335 (323 – up 12)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96 (93 - up 3* due to press reports about pulling out of Tournament but still listed as an engagement)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123 (123 - no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (71 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 451 (435 - up 16)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (20 - no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (16 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (451 - up 3)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (357 – up 3)
HRH The Princess Royal - 562 (556 – up 6)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352 (346 – up 6)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151 (147 – up 4)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 248 (240 – up 8)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (8 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (23 – no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 106 (101 – up 5)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 663
HM The Queen – 574
HRH The Princess Royal - 562
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454
HRH The Duke of York - 451
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 399
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 335
HRH The Duke of Kent - 248
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123
HRH Princess Alexandra - 106
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8


Year to date total - 5039

That makes 40 engagements across two days - an average of 2 per royal but as we know a number of those on the list aren't working royalsfor one reason or another - Harry (in Afghanistan), Beatrice and Eugenie (not wanted), Duchess of Kent (no longer interested), Prince and Princess Michael (never needed) and then you take out Kate (ill - pregnant) and those 40 engagements were carried out by 13 people at an average of 3 per day - of course The Queen and Charles did a larger percentage of those engagements but the average is still very good for The Firm.


Again - thanks Cepe for making an up-to-date count possible.

For anyone interested in statistics - Charles is doing 13+% and The Queen 11+% of all the engagments meaning that a quarter of all engagements are being carried out by the monarch and the heir.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:04 PM
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NP Iluvbertie - happy to help at any time. I subscribe to Times so let me know if I can help. I think what you do is amazing and thank you.
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Iluvbertie, I'm also a Times subscriber and if cepe is unavailable I'm happy to help also.

Only a couple of weeks until Mr O'Donovan writes to the Times with his tally of royal engagements for the year. It'll be interesting to see if there's any difference when compared with Iluvbertie's meticulously compiled list.

Iluvbertie, do you intend to undertake the same exercise for 2013? Your weekly updates are very much appreciated.
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I will see how far off I am first - if I am reasonably close I will continue but if I am way off I will have to sit down and try and analyse why?

Based on last year's figures I don't think I am too far off - but I will wait and see.

I was also thinking of adding a few extra bits - e.g. a count of when a spouse simply accompanies the royal rather than is actively involved - and add a column for Tim.

What is would look like would be something like Philip 106 (100 - up 6) - 45 accompanied Queen - so it would still show that he was up to 106 engagements, had done 6 in the previous week but of those 106 he did 45 in the company of The Queen and not as the main royal on the engagement - just some extra information to help see the work they do.

If I knew how I would even think about doing a poll to find out if people wanted me to continue doing this.
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Yes, yes, yes. This is very informative.
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^Absolutely. This is one of my favorite things on this entire forum. It's always very interesting and informative to read this each weekend.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:08 AM
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Add my yes vote to the list. This thread is very precise and informative and one of the bigger assets of TRF for the British Royals.
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Yes please Bertie. Always enjoy this thread and I'd love to see it continue next year.
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:48 PM
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I echo everyone else, I'd love to see this thread continue, if Iluvbertie is happy to do so.

It seems only yesterday that Iluvbertie was starting her tally, it's pretty scary to think that's another year gone.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:41 PM
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Weekly update to 20th December

Clearly slowing down for the Christmas/New Year break. Siome may query why Eugenie's count hasn't changed despite attending the opening of the TCT wing of the hospital and going to the other hospital - simple - these weren't official engagements but private ones and so not recorded in the CC - just like when she presented medals at the Paralympics - no mention in the CC for her.


HM The Queen - 578 (574 - up 4)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 404 (404 - no change)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 680 (663 – up 17)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339 (335 – up 4)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96* (96 - no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123 (123 - no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (71 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 452 (451 - up 1)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (20 - no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (16 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (454 - no change)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (360 – no change)
HRH The Princess Royal - 563 (562 – up 1)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352 (352 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151 (151 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249 (248 – up 1)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (8 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (23 – no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107 (106 – up 1)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 680
HM The Queen – 578
HRH The Princess Royal - 563
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454
HRH The Duke of York - 452
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 404
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8


Year to date total - 5069
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:33 PM
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Weekly update to 27th December

A very, very quiet week with ONE engagement done in total - Charles.

I know they all attended church and the CC says 'Divine Service' for both the 23rd and 25th December but no names are listed as attending so no one given an engagement for either of those services.

I suspect these will be my final figures as well but who knows - something might happen to lead to a new engagement somewhere.

HM The Queen - 578 (578 - no change)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 404 (404 - no change)
HRH The Prince of Wales - 681 (680 – up 1)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339 (339 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96* (96 - no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 124 (124 - no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (71 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York - 452 (452 - no change)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (20 - no change)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (16 - no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (454 - no change)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (360 – no change)
HRH The Princess Royal - 563 (563 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352 (352 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151 (151 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249 (249 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (8 - no change)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (23 – no change)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107 (107 – no change)


Order from most downwards - the 'league table' if you like. I refuse to calculate how people are moving up or down that list. I do move people around who have moved up or down but I am not putting in how many places they are moving - although usually it is only one place in either direction.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 681
HM The Queen – 578
HRH The Princess Royal - 563
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454
HRH The Duke of York - 452
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 404
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 123
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8



Year to date total - 5070
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Thanks Iluvbertie, hope you continue next year.

All increased their workload during this busy year except:
Princess Anne (-5), Prince Andrew (-3) and Princess Alexandra (-9) and Duchess of Gloucester (-4).
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Until I see Mr O'Donovan's figures in this upcoming week I won't commit to saying someone increased/decreased their work but I am not surprised that most increased their load due to the Jubilee and the Olympics.

I will continue this next year I think because it seems that about 200 people read it even if most never comment.

My idea though is to add in a column where the partner of the royal who is listed as accompanying (or multiple royals accompany a major royal) that will also be recorded e.g. The Queen accompanied by The Duke of Edinburgh opened xxxx will be counted by me as 1 for each of the couple but an extra column showing that Philip was 'accompanying' - just to show the count more realistically I think as that will allow us to see how often the spouses, in particular, are 'making up the numbers' as opposed to being the focus of the engagement. I am also including a column for Tim, although all his engagements this year were ones where he accompanied Anne but I think that if Philip, Camilla, Kate, Sophie, Birgitte, Katherine and Marie-Christine get credit for doing this with their partners then Tim should as well. However his figures won't count in the total as he doesn't do any individual engagements.

If anyone has some suggestions for what else, if anything, they would like please let me know and I will consider the feasibility, considering I have a full-time job.
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Well, the Times now puts its editions online as early as 8pm the night before, as is the case for 1/1/13. I'm stuck inside on NYE with a bloody annoying chest infection, so here are Mr O'Donovan's letter to the editor and a tallying up of the overall number of engagements (which Mr O'D doesn't actually do, he just lists UK visits and overseas visits separately):

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Sir, I have carried out a survey of the official engagements undertaken by the Royal Family during 2012 as reported in the Court Circular.

During this busy Diamond Jubilee year The Queen carried out 100 and Prince Philip 40 more engagements in the UK compared with 2011.

Prince Henry undertook 61 official engagements, of which 34 were overseas, prior to leaving for Afghanistan on September 8 to serve as an Apache helicopter pilot.

The Earl and Countess of Wessex were particularly busy representing The Queen on Jubilee visits overseas.

The Princess Royal was the busiest member of the Royal Family out and about, away from the “office”, with engagements spread over the UK. Among her overseas tours was a visit to our forces in Afghanistan.

I should again emphasise that the above table of figures should not be converted into a “league table” of individual royal performance. All engagements differ as to time and content and there is also the time taken in preparation, whether it be a visit, investiture or speech.

Except for Christmas Day and Easter Day, the Queen never has a day off from the official red boxes which pursue her everywhere.

Tim O’Donovan
Datchet, Berks
Here is the link for the letter at The Times website - The Royal Family (paywalled)

Total engagements, both in the UK and abroad, during 2012

The Queen - 425
Duke of Edinburgh - 325
Prince of Wales - 592
Duchess of Cornwall - 276
Duke of Cambridge - 88
Duchess of Cambridge - 111
Prince Harry - 61
Duke of York - 436
Earl of Wessex - 431
Countess of Wessex - 324
Princess Royal - 566
Duke of Gloucester - 337
Duchess of Gloucester - 146
Duke of Kent - 239
Princess Alexandra - 110

I make the total to be, for the BRF as a whole - 4,406 engagements in 2012.

At first glance, Iluvbertie, it would appear that Mr O'D is slightly understating things here. I doubt very much that he's been so meticulous as you have with his figures.
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Thank EIIR.

I had to go to bed before those figures were up - about 2.00 a.m. here and of course they were up then before I rose on New Year's Day.

Harry New Year everyone.

A comparison with my figures follows:

Mr O'Donovan's figures are in brackets. Note that he doesn't include some people that I do because they were in the CC.

I find it interesting that I was over on most royals but under for Anne and Alexandra - I thought I was consistent with what I counted and so would have expected to be either over or under for all of them but...


HM The Queen - 578 (425) - I am over by - 153
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - 404 (325) - I am over by - 79
HRH The Prince of Wales - 681 (592) - I am over by - 89
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339 (276) - I am over by - 63
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96* (88) - I am over by - 8
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 124 (111) I am over by - 13
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (61) - I am over by - 10
HRH The Duke of York - 452 (436) - I am over by - 16
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - 20 (0) - I am over by 20
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (0) - I am over by - 16
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (431) - I am over by - 23
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (324) - I am over by - 36
HRH The Princess Royal - 563 (566) - I am under by - 3
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352 (337) - I am over by - 15
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151 (146) - I am over by - 5
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249 (239) - I am over by - 10
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (0) - I am over by - 8
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (0) - I am over by - 23
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - 21 (0) - I am over by - 21
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107 (110) - I am under by - 3

There were three days earlier in the year when there was nothing in the CC on the British monarchy website as it was all gobbledy-gook which may mean that on those three days Anne and Alexandra did things I missed (that was before I realised I could PM some people for the information).

My total includes the engagments done by those Mr O'Donovan hasn't included at all - Beatrice, Eugenie, The Duchess of Kent, Prince and Princess Michael of Kent - total by me of 88.

I will continue to count them my way but now I know that Mr O'Donovan and I do count things slightly differently. My count will be higher therefore than his. I think some of the difference is that I count as two engagments when a royal visits a place and then opens something, particularly if they are accompanied by their partner who simply visits the place. That would be especially true for The Queen and Charles.

I am surprised that he has Andrew with more than Edward as I had them the other way round but not by much between the brothers.

I have read somewhere that he doesn't include things like Ascot - I do because it was in the CC - anything in the CC, other than leaving for and arriving home from a tour, I count. The other thing I don't count is 'Divine Service' - such as 23rd, 25th and 30th December - but do count things like a 'Thanksgiving Service' and the Jubilee Church Service. If Ascot isn't counted that is immediately 5 off The Queen and Philip's and I suppose if he doesn't count Ascot he wouldn't count Henley so there is another 1 off both of them.

I am over by 611 but of those 88 were done by the people he didn't include so I was over by 523.

I will see how I go next year but will also be including Tim as he also does accompany Anne on occasions and should be credited publicly with those occasions.

I know that some people like to see the figures in order from most downwards so using Mr O'Donovan's figures in brackets here is the final for the year. Those in italics are where we have them in a different position. Again, his figures are in bold and brackets.

HRH The Prince of Wales - 681 (592)
HRH The Princess Royal - 563 (566)
HRH The Duke of York - 452 (436)
HRH The Earl of Wessex - 454 (431)
HM The Queen – 578 (425)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - 352 (337)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 404 (325)
HRH The Countess of Wessex - 360 (324)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - 339 (276)
HRH The Duke of Kent - 249 (239)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - 151 (146)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge - 124 (111)
HRH Princess Alexandra - 107 (110)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge - 96 (88)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales - 71 (61)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 20 (0)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York - 16 (0)
HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (0)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 23 (0)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent -21 (0)


The list at the bottom is in italics because Mr O'Donovan has them all at 0 while I had them with different figures and so I have changed them into the order I have them on my tables.
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Thank you Iluvbertie for all that you do!

There is one typo... "HRH The Duchess of Kent - 8 (0) - I am over by - 18 " is it 8 or 18?
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