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Yes. As far as i know it would have ended after he and Cecilie had passed away. It was a similar case in Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Duke Carl Eduard and his children had right of residence for lifetime but ater Prince Friedrich Josias died it ended. Or the last King and Queen of Württemberg had rigt of residence at Bebenhausen Castle but it ended with the death of Queen charlotte in 1946.
The prussian's however owned Oels Castle in Silesia but of course it was also exopriated the same as House Doorn.
Where did the Coburgs have a right of residence? Veste Coburg?
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Where did the Coburgs have a right of residence? Veste Coburg?
Yes at the Veste Coburg.
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Old 06-01-2018, 02:37 PM
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Prince Georg Friedrich and Princess Sophie during the opening of the exhibition ‘’Help the Emperor comes!’’ at castle Amerongen on 1 June

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Prince Georg Friedrich he is now a beer producer. At the "Hofbrauhaus Wolters" in Brunswick, he produces his "Prussian Pilsener".

https://www.bild.de/regional/hannove...3496.bild.html

Prince Georg Friedrich at the presentation of the German Founder Award 2018 in the ZDF Capital Studio in the Zollernhof in Berlin on 11 September

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Prince Georg Friedrich and Princess Sophie attended the Tribute to Bambi event in Berlin yesterday, October 18:


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Georg Friedrich and Sophie attended a lunch that was given for King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima at Sanssouci Palace in Potsdam, Germany, today, May 22. More about the King and Queen's visit can be found here.



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Prince Georg-Friedrich lost his court battle to regain ownership of Rheinfels Castle on the Rhine.


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Old 06-25-2019, 02:40 PM
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Isn't most of that castle a ruin,strange that he would go to court over a ruin.
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Isn't most of that castle a ruin,strange that he would go to court over a ruin.
A very profitable ruin which is a tourist magnet. The construction of a luxury resort will have opened the Prince's eyes.
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Why would the Hohenzollerns not have a legal right to reclaim the property? Is it because George Friedrich is not a reigning monarch?
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Why would the Hohenzollerns not have a legal right to reclaim the property? Is it because George Friedrich is not a reigning monarch?
No, the family left this ruin in 1924 to the city, but with the demand, not to sell it. Now was a hotel built there, which they say violated the original treaty - and they want it back.

The judges claim, the ruin was part of the royal estate and could not be sold by the family or left to the city, but was property of the state after the end of the monarchy (that is the questionable part).

It is difficult (in case my description makes no sense to you, I am not a legal expert) and far from over!

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victor1319, Your explanation was perfect. It is unfortunate that the castle cannot be returned.
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Georg Friedrich seeks restitution of artefacts

Prince Georg Freidrich is spearheading efforts by the House Hohenzollern to get thousands of artworks, memorabilia and other historical artefacts from the German state back.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-german-state


He also wants back part of House Archive, the Library of the Prussian Kings and the right to inhabit Castle Cäcilienhof and two other castles/villas. He says, they have a right for a partly restitution because of the unlawful acts of the former communist regime in Eastern Germany.



The Politicians are of course against it.
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https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/s.../24587204.html
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Old 07-13-2019, 11:25 PM
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Prince Georg Freidrich is spearheading efforts by the House Hohenzollern to get thousands of artworks, memorabilia and other historical artefacts from the German state back.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-german-state


He also wants back part of House Archive, the Library of the Prussian Kings and the right to inhabit Castle Cäcilienhof and two other castles/villas. He says, they have a right for a partly restitution because of the unlawful acts of the former communist regime in Eastern Germany.



The Politicians are of course against it.
(in German)
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/s.../24587204.html
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https://www.dw.com/en/german-kaisers...ack/a-49576011
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Is there a reason for submitting this claim? The property belongs to the state now. Georg Friedrich previously said he did not support restoration of the monarchy. Has he changed his mind? Now that he has descendants maybe that has reminded him of life before the Republic.
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Is there a reason for submitting this claim? The property belongs to the state now. Georg Friedrich previously said he did not support restoration of the monarchy. Has he changed his mind? Now that he has descendants maybe that has reminded him of life before the Republic.
Here he claims only stuff and property back, that was situated in the former communist part of Germany. The talks between the House of Hohenzollern and the politicians were already going on for years, but became only recently known to the public.

Why this happened, who talked to the press and if Georg Friedrich has changed his mind - about this can only be speculated.
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Did he really change his mind? I doubt but regardless, him claiming all their family properties back has nothing to do with his own personal mindset of whether to push for German monarchy again or not.

It's their family property after all.
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Did he really change his mind? I doubt but regardless, him claiming all their family properties back has nothing to do with his own personal mindset of whether to push for German monarchy again or not.

It's their family property after all.

As far as I understand it, certain parts of the property of the Prussian Royal family were considered to be "private property" of the family in a contract between the family and the then reigning government in 1926. After 1945 the Sowjets took the possessions away that were in their part of Germany. Now the family tries to get these objects and places back.

The problem is that a judge has to agree that the former owner of the belongings, Crown Prince Wilhelm of Prussia, had not been responsible in a strong way ("wesentlich" in German judical language) for the ascent of Hitler. The government of the German Federal State of Brandenburg (in which the places like Cecilienhof are) had stated that of course he was because he had helped Hitler with public audiences, invitations, even a press release asking the Prussians to support Hitler. The family states that while he did this, it was in now way "wesentlich" for Hitler's taking over the power. The Crown Prince had not been a member of the Nazi Party, after all. So now we have experitises by two reknown historians who are on the same side when it comes what actually happened. But on two different sides when it comes to what the Crown Prince's actions actually mean.



When it turned out to become a yes or no-decision by the court, the Head of the Hohenzollerns started negociations with the government of the Federal Republic to get back some possessions, effectively stalling the court proceedings. But as now, after years of negociating, no result is coming out of the proceedings, the Prince of Prussia added up all the family really wants back and is threatening now to take the issue to court and to wait of the judge's decision.



Probably to get the state's negociators to come up with real solutions.



Thus far, no new court proceedings have started, the old one against Brandenburg is just bits & pieces compared to the majority of things that were granted to the Prussians in 1926, we'll see what will happen.


Other Federal States have in fact given some palaces and art objects back to their Royal families but not all families are content with what they got. (See Baden-Württemberg and the Margrave of Baden-case, while AFAIK the Duke of Württemberg was content with his negociations.) But then there wasn't any Sovjet interaction after the war and the Prussians are not the only family to still try to get things back.
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Old 08-02-2019, 02:26 AM
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As far as I understand it, certain parts of the property of the Prussian Royal family were considered to be "private property" of the family in a contract between the family and the then reigning government in 1926. After 1945 the Sowjets took the possessions away that were in their part of Germany. Now the family tries to get these objects and places back.

The problem is that a judge has to agree that the former owner of the belongings, Crown Prince Wilhelm of Prussia, had not been responsible in a strong way ("wesentlich" in German judical language) for the ascent of Hitler. The government of the German Federal State of Brandenburg (in which the places like Cecilienhof are) had stated that of course he was because he had helped Hitler with public audiences, invitations, even a press release asking the Prussians to support Hitler. The family states that while he did this, it was in now way "wesentlich" for Hitler's taking over the power. The Crown Prince had not been a member of the Nazi Party, after all. So now we have experitises by two reknown historians who are on the same side when it comes what actually happened. But on two different sides when it comes to what the Crown Prince's actions actually mean.


The last Duke of Saxe-Coubrg wnd Gotha and the father of the present Fürst zu Waldeck-Pyrmont where also very strong NS-supporter and nothing of their posessions was taken away and the family stoíll owns all. Therfore i find it a bit unfair if in the prussian case the NS-history is seen as so important.
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I agree! Especially should be considered, that with the Hohenzollerns still in charge, Mr. Hitler would have had no chance at all to become the "Führer".
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