Future and Popularity of the Spanish Monarchy

[Ennyllorac]

Very well said Genevieve!

 

[Alexandria]

I would suggest that you ignore the posts by this newest member--the board name this person has selected says all you need to know. It is a flagrant insult and should not be permitted on this board. This poster has come only to speak ill and spread salacious gossip in an effort to slander another persons reputation. Ignoring this poster, IMO, is the best option.

Thank you lucys very much. This matter is being looked into and will be resolved ASAP with the member.

 

[Conde Valleverde]

Nobody has ever been able to prove that there is censorship in Spain, related to the monarchy or reaching outside of it. In this thread especially some people keep bringing it up but nobody has any proof of it. A very good point I see here: if there is legimately censorship in Spain, why are ex-pats not exposing the truth about the monarchy? Perhaps because there is no truth in these allegations?

As far as I see, the Spanish media is not doing anything different than what the Danish media are doing. The Spanish media want access to the royal family because there is interest by their readers and viewers. They would not be critical of Letizia, her divorce, her family, her clothes, her hair, or whatever for fear of being cut off from the royal court. If they were to say now that Letizia is inappropriate for the role of Queen, when Letizia has her first baby the royal court would no doubt prevent them access to the official presentation of the baby or send them news updates or pictures.

And while ideally the media should be objective, fair and honest, when it comes down to it, the media is a business like any other. Publishers and CEOS and producers want their newspapers, magazines, television networks to make money so that they can make money in turn. And as long as Letizia draws interest good or bad and sells those papers and magazines and news shows through their ads and commercials, then the media will continue to cozy up to the royal house so that they can continue their access.

The same goes in Denmark with CP Mary. Nobody is screaming censorship in Denmark because not a single drop of negative ink has been spilled about Mary. She is an international fashion icon, she is an inspiration to Hollywood, she is a star in Athens, she is the prettiest CP in all of Europe, she is the smartest woman on earth, etc. The Danish media wants to be there when Mary has her first baby and if they make criticisms of her, even light or honest ones, they know that they will be cut off from her and the rest of the royal family by extension.

As for Letizia's divorce papers, why should the media have access to it? Letizia's divorce is nobody's business but hers and that of her ex-husband's.

And if your speculations -- and that is all they are -- are right that Letizia and Felipe were friends before her divorce was final -- so what? Was Letizia not allowed to have any male friends until those divorce papers were signed? Even if her marriage was obviously over and she and her husband were living seperate lives, was she supposed to walk around with a big M on her chest stating that she was married and hence could not have male friends until her divorce was final? So what if they were friends? Women seperated from their husbands, or even married women aren't allowed to have friends of the opposite sex?

I agree with you Genevieve!!!

 

[NJRedDevils]

whether you like Spain's new Crown Princess or any other new Crown Princess or you don't.. At the end of the day your not married to them, CP Felipe, CP Frederik, CP Hakkon are married to them and they married them for love not for what you view their wives as. You don't like the Spanish Royal family or others tough luck they are there and there is nothing you can do about them and who they marry , whether you approve or not. i may not like the new Crown Princess of Spain but i don't insult her on a public board, i have my feelings and i keep them to myself and that is something you should do.

For most respect other members of this board they don't want to hear you bad mouthing someone that they like. You don't like her then don't come here go to another board.

 

[CeroTolerancia]

Of course, I will never married such person without character, I may not be rich not my husband but we are usefull to the society. Is all about principles. Once Letizia was the paradigm of the pro abortion, republican and atheist's womans in Spain, is nothing wrong with that, she told everyone she was proud to pay her own rent, she dosen't even like mans sending her flowers (she used to saw that as an machist attitude) there's a couple of cronics about it, and now all the sudden she's not only the real utherus but is kissing saint's feets all around every time, there's almost no picture without Letizia kissing San Fulano or San Mengano's feets, if the Monarchy believe that this marketing campaigne will be susccesfull they don't now who wrong their are, every day Letizia seems more distant to the people. Is so pathetic. Not to mention that now she live on our taxes and buy his clothes at the finest stores, she dosen't care anymore about her career, she left every principle, every conquist behind, everything for was she fought, but wait a minut...she has what she always wanted behind her progresive mask, lets see how long she can stand that life because she's not used to be the second and live mouth shut or be the last one in the list. And the monarchy, please, always playing the most conservative role, all those years...making butch meat of the other Felipe's girlfriends or friends without compasion or regards, even womans like Sartorious, who's not only from the same world but was never married before and was really pretty back on those days didn't scape from the press, noone was never good enough for the Prince in their parent's eyes, but suddently a divorced, pro abortion and non religious woman is the right one, of course, thanks to Felipe's ultimatum. After all he's 35, is now or never. Noone can denied the fact that if the press is not talking about Letizia, except for the good things, is because the Monarchy sent a message, subliminal or not, that this time nobody in the press could open the pandora's box like before, who wants to se a future daughter in law, princess of asturias, venting her life on the press. Oh Spanyards, you can pay for the princess but you cannot know about her past, you have to like her no matter what !. The King and the Queen may play the "Happiest persons in the whole word" but everybody knows that is all a facade. Oh not to mention Letizia's family, they will finish all in good positions and buying at Christian Dior is just a matter of time....The Queen Sofia especially has not and will never agree with such matrimony inside her soul, but she's polite and educated enought to keeping the sadness for herself and smart enough not to provoce an abdication because she cares a lot about the royal crown and the succesion, but a lot of people in Spain, and I mean A LOT, dosen't agree with and dosen't like Letizia, in fact the people here is Juancarlist, not Felipista and never the less Letizista. So the future of the Monarchy in Spain is not secure anymore because people say and not without reason: if anyone can be Queen anyone can be King. The only reason to maintain the monarchy is their "blue blood", their royal ancestors, their family, the good they did once for Spain's democracy, for other things there's the Prime Minister, besides that there's no need to maintain a lovely couple half monarch half proletary, why ? I'd never liked the monarchy but I get to understand they where a symbol, can someone tell me what is Letizia a symbol for ?.

 

[lapopdiva]

Of course, I will never married such person without character, I may not be rich not my husband but we are usefull to the society. Is all about principles. Once Letizia was the paradigm of the pro abortion, republican and atheist's womans in Spain, is nothing wrong with that, she told everyone she was proud to pay her own rent, she dosen't even like mans sending her flowers (she used to saw that as an machist attitude) there's a couple of cronics about it, and now all the sudden she's not only the real utherus but is kissing saint's feets all around every time, there's almost no picture without Letizia kissing San Fulano or San Mengano's feets, if the Monarchy believe that this marketing campaigne will be susccesfull they don't now who wrong their are, every day Letizia seems more distant to the people. Is so pathetic. Not to mention that now she live on our taxes and buy his clothes at the finest stores, she dosen't care anymore about her career, she left every principle, every conquist behind, everything for was she fought, but wait a minut...she has what she always wanted behind her progresive mask, lets see how long she can stand that life because she's not used to be the second and live mouth shut or be the last one in the list. And the monarchy, please, always playing the most conservative role, all those years...making butch meat of the other Felipe's girlfriends or friends without compasion or regards, even womans like Sartorious, who's not only from the same world but was never married before and was really pretty back on those days didn't scape from the press, noone was never good enough for the Prince in their parent's eyes, but suddently a divorced, pro abortion and non religious woman is the right one, of course, thanks to Felipe's ultimatum. After all he's 35, is now or never. Noone can denied the fact that if the press is not talking about Letizia, except for the good things, is because the Monarchy sent a message, subliminal or not, that this time nobody in the press could open the pandora's box like before, who wants to se a future daughter in law, princess of asturias, venting her life on the press. Oh Spanyards, you can pay for the princess but you cannot know about her past, you have to like her no matter what !. The King and the Queen may play the "Happiest persons in the whole word" but everybody knows that is all a facade. Oh not to mention Letizia's family, they will finish all in good positions and buying at Christian Dior is just a matter of time....The Queen Sofia especially has not and will never agree with such matrimony inside her soul, but she's polite and educated enought to keeping the sadness for herself and smart enough not to provoce an abdication because she cares a lot about the royal crown and the succesion, but a lot of people in Spain, and I mean A LOT, dosen't agree with and dosen't like Letizia, in fact the people here is Juancarlist, not Felipista and never the less Letizista. So the future of the Monarchy in Spain is not secure anymore because people say and not without reason: if anyone can be Queen anyone can be King. The only reason to maintain the monarchy is their "blue blood", their royal ancestors, their family, the good they did once for Spain's democracy, for other things there's the Prime Minister, besides that there's no need to maintain a lovely couple half monarch half proletary, why ? I'd never liked the monarchy but I get to understand they where a symbol, can someone tell me what is Letizia a symbol for ?.

Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía, according to has been able to confirm Elsemanaldigital.com, very are satisfied with how the news of the connection of Princes de Asturias as well as of the high degree of acceptance of the future Queen of Spain by the public opinion has been developed. From the first moment at which Don Felipe presented/displayed to its fiancèe in the Zarzuela took place a great current of affection between Doña Sofía and Doña Letizia, they have indicated sources next to the Real House. Mainly the common tastes by Literature and music have turned them great friends from a first moment. To Reina it pleased the interest to him that had Doña Letizia to at night attend Monday the concert of tribute of the Russian violoncelista Mstislav Rostropovich. Doña Sofía the decision made by Don Felipe has not surprised him anything. When one found out that relation knew that there would be many common points, like the world of the media, that always has fascinated and interested enormously to Don Felipe, as well as the international policy. The prudence of Doña Letizia, but simultaneously its clarity of judgment and maturity, is another subject that has approached Reina with its future daughter-in-law. Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía also has valued who Doña Letizia, journalist daughter and granddaughter of journalists, has maintained with as much discretion the relation that maintained with Prince de Asturias. Although they are known personally from September of 2002, sources of the Zarzuela have also confirmed that the engagement of Princes de Asturias has been very fast.THAT WAS IN NOVEMBER 2003. LETS GO TO AUGUST 2004.
SPECTACULAR SUCCESS Doña Letizia has become the star of the Borbones the critics of before and after the wedding they have been very back, the summer of 2004 has consecrated Doña Letizia as the great star of the Borbones, dear and respected woman. 8 of August. That the Prince is another person, nobody it doubt. That the Royal Family has received with the opened arms to Doña Letizia either is no secret. But that so just a short time Doña Letizia has become the more popular European Princess and the woman of the photographed and followed royalty more it has turned everything a phenomenon that has surprised same Don Juan Carlos. A morning in the Naútico the best example of all it is to see how its presence is lived in the Navigation of Palm where it has become only center of attention and where it revolutionizes with his presence the sport facilities. The Real Club Nautical of Palm lived for example Friday, of eleven in the morning to twelve of the noon, the most intense hour since the past Monday the Glass of the King Of the hand of prince Felipe began and accompanied by the Its Majestys Kings, Doña Letizia Ortiz stepped on the sport facilities for the first time. And the debut had the ingredients of the great occasions: races and pushes of credited reporters, escorts more nervous of habitual, the organizing thing looking for its place in the picture and a peculiar multitude of digital camera in hand exerting of unexpected reporters. The protagonist smiled resolute and interchanged commentaries with Reina, but at no moment was it overwhelmed to have to support as much attention. It dressed white trousers and pink t-shirt. And after putting with the Prince and the Kings in the terrace of Navigation, it accompanied them until the cafeteria, where it occupied next to the Prince and Reina a table in one of the corners of the premises and shared animated conversation with the regatistas that were there. Nerves in the terrace When char it infant Cristina was united, who patronea the Azur de Puig. Reina requested a water without gas and Doña Letizia a Coca-Cola. The bar was the refuge that protected them of the reporters who waited their opportunity after the security cord that the escorts had mounted in the terrace, where everything were nerves to obtain one more a photo of the Princess. As much he is thus, that when the King to eleven and the twenty left the cafeteria to embark next to his crew in the rubber dinghy that habitually takes it until the dockage of the Loafer, no camera went off and no reporter followed it. The King happened more in front of the group like a regatista. In this occasion the topic that yes equals it to its resemblances was really certain. Goodbye and commentary the time urged to the regatistas. Some of the sailboats began to cast off. Doña Letizia took leave of the Prince, pattern of sailboat CAM, affectionately. Later it remained minutes more in the cafeteria talking with Reina, that went away to turn particular his cicerone by Navigation. From the cafeteria to the store of the club mounted specially in the occasion of the Glass of King Doña Sofía she warned aloud that she did not want photos there inside, request that the escorts understood perfectly. It gave a general glance and the Vanguard went with Doña Letizia until the exhibitor of the newspaper. Jokes with the journalists Reina and Princess de Asturias greeted and talked during minutes with Mariàngel journalist Palace, that habitually covers the information with the Royal Family, as well as with Jaime Enseñat There, president of the organizing committee of the Glass, that was united to the conversation. The return by Navigation continued, although this time by inaccessible dependencies for the informers. Minutes later Doña Letizia and Reina returned to appear, but this time arranged to line up the exit. However, Doña Letizia before wanted to return to stop and to greet some old companions of profession, like Carmen Rigalt, Carmen Enríquez or Maria Eugenia Yagüe, before those who I joke ': "I am going to put the uniform to me of the regatas so that you get tired to do photos to me". Likeable but in its site the rest of the conversation, in which also Reina took part, was full of commitment phrases. Doña Letizia asked if the journalists went every day to Navigation and Reina if the lights already distinguished each navigation two-color pencils. After leaving Navigation, Doña Letizia, Reina, Irene of Greece and the Fruchaud marriage they moved until the Formentor hotel, where they had lunch in the terace.So what the problem?

 

[Conde Valleverde]

Our Monarchy, since its restauration in 1975, has been the Monarchy "of all Spaniards", a framework of liberties and freedom never known before in the entire history of Spain. The individual and collective freedom has never been so well preserved thanks to this framework, not to mention the international prestige of Spain due to the fact of having a King as a head of State, who has family links with most European royal families, and therefore is the best ambassador of Spain.

 

[rosa]

The Spanish people: Juan Carlist vs. Royalist?

at the time of wedding of prince felipe, I heard on french tv, that spanich people are more juan carliste than royaliste, is it true?

personnaly, I think that spanich royal family is the more pleasant in europe

 

[Alexandria]

at the time of wedding of prince felipe, I heard on french tv, that spanich people are more juan carliste than royaliste, is it true?

personnaly, I think that spanich royal family is the more pleasant in europe

I think the Spanish people really admire the King for all that he has been able to do in terms of the monarchy following the death of Franco. Many people had their own doubts about a monarchy but also about a man (Juan Carlos) who was "groomed" by a man such as Franco. But I think the King, along with the Queen, have both worked tremendously hard to make Spain a democratic nation and that both have represented their country very well.

I think there is some "concern" about how Felipe will take on the role. While he is very well liked, his father's shoes are tremendous to fill. But if Felipe is anything like his father's son, he will do a very good job for Spain, too, I think. (He already is doing a very impressive job.)

 

[rosa]

I think the Spanish people really admire the King for all that he has been able to do in terms of the monarchy following the death of Franco. Many people had their own doubts about a monarchy but also about a man (Juan Carlos) who was "groomed" by a man such as Franco. But I think the King, along with the Queen, have both worked tremendously hard to make Spain a democratic nation and that both have represented their country very well.

I think there is some "concern" about how Felipe will take on the role. While he is very well liked, his father's shoes are tremendous to fill. But if Felipe is anything like his father's son, he will do a very good job for Spain, too, I think. (He already is doing a very impressive job.)

I agree with you, the king work a lot for Spain, and it will be difficult to equalize him, but I also think that prince Felipe is an intelligent man, he will be also a good king

 

[Saturn]

I think the main problem is that Spaniards are not monarchical, they are essentially Juancarloist, they respect the King but it's a question mark what will happen when Felipe becomes a king.
Knowing Spain nationalist problems the King tries to be ‘the King of all Spaniards’ but it doesn’t work because in the Basque country and Catalonia consider that this are only empty words and they want actions.
The Royal Family has always had a strong support from the catholic church and from the aristocracy but neither of them will accept a commoner divorcee as a future queen of Spain.
Another problem is the media, at present the press is strictly controlled and heavily censored but everyday is more and more difficult to keep this control.
And finally, some politicians would like to take advantage of the fact that the constitution has to be changed to demote the Monarchy to a mere ceremonial role (that's why the Royal Family is reticent to change the succession law), anyway they try to be very discreet because they know a scandal would definitely be extremely harmful and devastating for the Monarchy.

 

[fanprincipesasturi]

LA REPÚBLICA COMO MITO:
La Monarquia

 

[Henri M.]

The Royal Family has always had a strong support from the catholic church and from the aristocracy but neither of them will accept a commoner divorcee as a future queen of Spain.

The Church and the Nobles were far more powerful between 1932 to 1975 and there was no King at all.

The monarchy does not depend on the Church and the Nobles but on the Constitution. The very same Constitution which has limited the powers of the Church and the Nobles. The very same Constitution which is now undermining the male-preferred succession in the Spanish Nobility. The very same Constitution which will allow Infanta Leonor to become Queen of Spain.

By the way, to the best of my knowledge the couple were married by no one else than His Eminence Antonio María Cardinal Rouco Varela, Archbishop of Madrid and Primate of Spain. The marriage took place in the Cathedral of Santa María la Real de La Almudena and was broadcast worldwide. So how can you say that the Church did not accept this marriage????

 

[lula]

Precisely the Church and the aristocracy did not see well the Queen Sofia either and there she is.

The catholic Church, because she was a woman who belonged to another religion, something that had importance in epoch of Franco, but that now in a State without official religion and with one less and less it influences of the Church has less and less importance.

The aristocracy has never belonged very near to the Royal Family, and initially they did not like that the Kings were deciding to do without Court, which did that many of them were losing the privileges of the previous regime. The King always has seemed to be nearer to the new managerial "aristocracy", that to the former aristocracy. On the other hand, the Duchess of Alba is the most important aristocrat of this country, and her family lives through a scandal behind other one ... her children overcome with much Letizia ... so...many aristocrats should close the mouth, because they are in the habit of being hypocritical enough only it is necessary to read the magazines and read the lives of some aristocrats of this country ... divorces, infidelities, economic scandals...

 

[madeleine victoria]

well, i just hope that the Spanish royal family will have strong supporters in the future as the King Felipe accedes the throne...they are the most humble royal family if you asked me..is the royal family popular in Spain in the sense that we can see Felipe's daughter/son accede the throne? Maybe our spanish friends can answer this..i really would like to see Leonor reign in her own right.

 

[Henri M.]

..is the royal family popular in Spain in the sense that we can see Felipe's daughter/son accede the throne?

The Spanish Civil War and the long dictatorship of Franco (who took Prince Juan Carlos under his supervision) has left it's marks in the relationship of the Spanish people with 'Madrid', especially in regions which were the most rebellious.

Like in other 'problematic' countries as Belgium, the King is seen as the personification of 'them there in Brussels' or of 'them there in Madrid'.

In the Spanish heartland (Madrid, Castilla, León, La Mancha, Aragón, Andalucía, Extremadura) the love for the monarchy is deeper rooted than in regions like Cataluña (economically the most important region), País Vasco, Galicia, etc.

 

[Enrique]

I think that spanish monarchy is good for Spain and spain love their royal house

 

[Gita]

I hope the monarchy stays but with more demoracy.

 

[*SofiaM*]

IMO the Spanish monarchy will loose its 'appeal' after Juan Carlos and Sofia. They do their best to promote Spain and have done a good job. It's always said that people do not love the monarchy, they admire it and this is true.
People don't just look at say the cost of having a monarchy, they look at other things for example (and perhaps you call this shallow, but it represents the thoughts of people in Madrid), Queen Sofia came second in a poll of 'older beauty'. In other words women like her look, her elegance etc. Things like this add to the 'appeal' that the SRF have.

Of course, as you say, in certain regions of Spain there is opposition. They don't want a monarchy, they want independance. But lets not get into this, I'm sure everyone has their opinion

Anyway, who knows whether the monarchy will be abolished? I hope not. Maybe it will in a decade or so, but not any time soon, I'm almost sure!

 

[Henri M.]

I hope the monarchy stays but with more demoracy.

Can you explain this?

I had the impression Spain is one of the most democratic states in Europe, with almost complete autonomy for the regions and quite a progressive Government.

What gave you the idea Spain needs more democracy?

 

[madeleine victoria]

The Spanish Civil War and the long dictatorship of Franco (who took Prince Juan Carlos under his supervision) has left it's marks in the relationship of the Spanish people with 'Madrid', especially in regions which were the most rebellious.

Like in other 'problematic' countries as Belgium, the King is seen as the personification of 'them there in Brussels' or of 'them there in Madrid'.

In the Spanish heartland (Madrid, Castilla, León, La Mancha, Aragón, Andalucía, Extremadura) the love for the monarchy is deeper rooted than in regions like Cataluña (economically the most important region), País Vasco, Galicia, etc.

Thanks for the info Henri M. It's really a fact that some parts of Spain opposed its monarchy. However, I think the current monarch King Juan Carlos and his queen have done a tremendous job for the country. I also think that anti-monarchy exists in all countries who has this kind of government it just so happens that in Spain the situation is different because imo Spain's government is very complex and you tend to see clearly the anti-monarchist.

 

[biboquinhas]

What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?

Well, it's the usual thing - presentation of the project, greeting from Felipe who'll listen and ask questions, always good to know the CP knows about your project in case you need help and such a hearing brings some media attention too.
So no need to solve any problems : - )

 

[planetcher]

What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?

It's the same case with the King and Queen as well as other Royal Houses. They don't solve problems.

 

[Vanesa]

And there it is my every time question: if they can't solve any problem and they are there only to show a nice face and beatiful clothes...why there is a Monarchy in Spain? And the one who is writing this, it's not a Republican, precisely.

Keep your spirit high, Biboquinhas, and you too Roxsteve! You BOTH are a wind of fresh air here at the Forums! :fleur:

Vanesa.

 

[donnaK]

What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?

The Spanish royal family is extremely well connected and influential, Felipe certainly can help out on some of the issues rasied on the hearings, Ex. the SRF had helped out on fundings for some of the foundations they worked with. The audiences are also for recognizing the excellence or award winners, or receiving foreign officials.

 

[donnaK]

And there it is my every time question: if they can't solve any problem and they are there only to show a nice face and beatiful clothes...why there is a Monarchy in Spain? And the one who is writing this, it's not a Republican, precisely.

Not long ago, the major newsapers in Spain had all reported that the SRF (esp the King) has been very active in the international politics. They have done lots of work to compensate Zapatero's poor foreign policies and the incompetence in the international relations.
For Felipe, the Prince of Asturias Foundation is certainly a huge achievement. Other than the SRF, I don't think anyone else in Spain can set up a foundation with the magnitude of PoA Foundation (which mostly relies on private funds) and its world recognition.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

It's the same case with the King and Queen as well as other Royal Houses. They don't solve problems.

At least they don't do it in public hearings or presentations.

 

[Paty]

The Prince has from time to time hearings and meetings with the constitutional organs and with the principal institutions of the State with the intention of being informed about their activities. He is present, also, at meetings of different State´s Administrations and of the Autonomous Communities when it is needed by the institutional activities that He develops, as national as international.

He receives in public and private hearings to a great number of persons with the purpose of being informed about the national and international reality. Specially, he supports meetings with persons next to his generation and that singularly stand out in the areas politically, economically, culturally and of the mass media.

 

[adelaide]

In fact, what's the trubble? it seems that the concept of the Constititional Monarquia would be difficult to analyse.

First of all the single word totally irrelevant when you are speaking about the Spain monarchy it's the word "power". What do you mean by " power"?

Power to elected the legislative organes : the electors by the way the political parties.

Power to govern the country: the government choozen into the winners of the elections

I don't speak about the local elections, it's for the local administration obvious.

Every body, even whithout doing plotical science studies knows that none of the European Monarchies have Power in meaning Govern. All the european monarchies are now parlemantary. Which are the " power" of the Queen EII, the King Albert, the Queen Margareth, the Kings of Sweden and Norway ?

Every body knows that the main role of a monarchic system nowaday is the garanty of the Institutions, the arbitration of the politic tendencies WHITHOUT TO EXPRESS ANY POLITIC IDEAS, the representation of the Country in his Institutions and his economic, social and culturel "powers". I should to remember the ex prime Minister AZNAR 's sentence about the internal politic of Spain versus the King :" NO TOCA !"

Only for that, if you have a little bite of reflexion you can understand the necessity of all the hearrings, meetings, conferencies, speeches, visits, in all the fields of the country. It's not to decide, it's to have the soul of the country.

I'm very surprised to see some reflexion about the Kings of Spain or the Princes od ASturias ' works, very superficial. In the same time if you want have a politic discussion about the Spain Monarchy, make a thread for that but I fera that TRH is not the adequate place for that.

To be clear, and freshy... it's better to speak about that we know or want to know. The preconceptions aren't systematically at the Kings of Spain or Princes of Asturias' admirers.