The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #341  
Old 06-04-2014, 02:06 AM
RaniaRocks's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Greece, United States
Posts: 276
Felipe became the Prince of Asturias when he was only 11 years old in 1977, I don't know how will they do it in the case of Leonor but it is my understanding the moment an apparent move up in the line of succession the next of kin will do exactly the same and fill out the "open position" the previous royal left vacant, in Spain the next of kin of a King is called Prince of Asturias so it's very precise, regardless of wishes, if and buts, but I may be wrong.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #342  
Old 06-04-2014, 03:53 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
Quote:
Originally Posted by lula View Post
That facebook page is not official
Sorry lula, regarding the ceremonies, I don't seem to get it.

So on 18th Felipe will be declared King in the Cortes, and there will be the sworn-in ceremony.
But the sworn-in ceremony has not yet been confirmed for June 18th, correct, and it is possible that it will be on a different day?

Has either day already been confirmed by casareal?

Thanks.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #343  
Old 06-04-2014, 04:36 AM
lula's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: , Spain
Posts: 18,656
Duke, there really is so much information and sometimes so confusing that it is difficult to understand how the process is going to be exactly. So it is better to stick to official sources, giving clear information.

It seems that everything has to be done on the same day ... final passage of the law, officially signed by King Juan Carlos and proclamation of the new king.

The President of Parliament has proposed that the date is June 18. But the Royal House has not yet officially confirmed that date.
Reply With Quote
  #344  
Old 06-04-2014, 04:39 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
Thanks lula for clarifying, there is indeed contradicting information in the media on this topic.
Reply With Quote
  #345  
Old 06-04-2014, 05:45 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
Abdication is the big topic on the mags' front pages:

http://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestat...ime=1401862887
http://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestat...ime=1401862903
http://www.ecestaticos.com/imagestat...ime=1401862917
Reply With Quote
  #346  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:04 AM
ANNIE_S's Avatar
Super Moderator
Picture of the Week Coordinator
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: -, Spain
Posts: 3,611
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaniaRocks View Post
Felipe became the Prince of Asturias when he was only 11 years old in 1977, I don't know how will they do it in the case of Leonor but it is my understanding the moment an apparent move up in the line of succession the next of kin will do exactly the same and fill out the "open position" the previous royal left vacant, in Spain the next of kin of a King is called Prince of Asturias so it's very precise, regardless of wishes, if and buts, but I may be wrong.
I think that you´re right, or at least that´s what the media is reporting these days.
From the moment Felipe is declared king, Leonor will be inmediately Princess of Asturias.
That doesn´t mean we won´t have an official ceremony of proclamation as Princess such as Felipe had in Covadonga (that has not been confirmed in any moment), but then that would be a mere formalism. She would already be Princess.
__________________
Palaces are not the ones that dignify kings; kings are the ones who honor them with their presence.
Isabel, ep. 26

Vote in TRF Fashion Polls!


Reply With Quote
  #347  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:06 AM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,521
Leonore will be the youngest of the crown princesses and princes

4 crown princess

Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Västergötland (Sweden) age 36
Princess Elisabeth, Duchess of Brabant (Belgium) age 12
Catharina-Amalia, Princess of Orange (Netherlands) age 10
Infanta Leonor of Spain, princess of Asturias (Spain) age 8
Reply With Quote
  #348  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:18 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
Quote:
Originally Posted by ANNIE_S View Post
I think that you´re right, or at least that´s what the media is reporting these days.
From the moment Felipe is declared king, Leonor will be inmediately Princess of Asturias.
That doesn´t mean we won´t have an official ceremony of proclamation as Princess such as Felipe had in Covadonga (that has not been confirmed in any moment), but then that would be a mere formalism. She would already be Princess.
Does it make a difference that Leonor will not become heiress apparent but heiress presumptive?
Reply With Quote
  #349  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:31 AM
kathia_sophia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South, Portugal
Posts: 2,051
I think it will not make a diference from Heiress apparent to Heiress presumptive. They have the same rights, only that the presumptive could be a "temporary" position if no son is born.
__________________
♫A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams.♥
Reply With Quote
  #350  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:34 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
Quote:
Originally Posted by kathia_sophia View Post
I think it will not make a diference from Heiress apparent to Heiress presumptive. They have the same rights, only that the presumptive could be a "temporary" position if no son is born.
I meant it in terms of timing, when the title PoA will be granted, straight away or later.
Reply With Quote
  #351  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:38 AM
kathia_sophia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South, Portugal
Posts: 2,051
I think this time it will be given right away, at least is what some reports say. Prince Felipe had the title PoA two years later after his father was made King, but this time I think it will be automatic.
__________________
♫A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams.♥
Reply With Quote
  #352  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:44 AM
ANNIE_S's Avatar
Super Moderator
Picture of the Week Coordinator
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: -, Spain
Posts: 3,611
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade View Post
Does it make a difference that Leonor will not become heiress apparent but heiress presumptive?
It doesn´t. There have been other cases, as noted before: Princess Isabella (Alfonso XII´s older sister) was Princess of Asturias and she lost the title when her brother was born. Same with AXII´s eldest daughter, Maria de las Mercedes, until Alfonso XIII was born.

AFAIK, a Prince(ss) of Asturias is always necessary, as long as an heir is always necessary, but the title´s holder can change.
__________________
Palaces are not the ones that dignify kings; kings are the ones who honor them with their presence.
Isabel, ep. 26

Vote in TRF Fashion Polls!


Reply With Quote
  #353  
Old 06-04-2014, 06:52 AM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Netherlands
Posts: 7,151
In the Netherlands and in Belgium, there was a signing of the Act of Abdication, followed by the Investiture Ceremony. I suppose this will be the same in Spain (all on one day).

Pic: Queen Beatrix signs the Act of Abdication, after the signing she is Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, source: Zimbio
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/I...xnkcYi5YRx.jpg

Pic: King Willem-Alexander counter-signs the Act of Abdication as a witness, source: Zimbio
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/I...536PTJshEx.jpg

Pic: the Act of Abdication itself, source: Zimbio
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/I...ptgAUNgIzx.jpg

Pic: the Investiture after the abdication, source: Zimbio
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/K...EjHasuNd1x.jpg

I think Spain will follow the examples of the Netherlands and Belgium.

Reply With Quote
  #354  
Old 06-04-2014, 07:00 AM
lula's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: , Spain
Posts: 18,656
As I said yesterday, what was done when Juan Carlos was proclaimed king, can not now be repeated. The king was proclaimed with Franco laws, and then there was a process of reforms to the Constitution of 78.

In the press there are many speculations, so we just have to wait, for the Royal House to confirmations.

Yes Duc, probably the king officially sign the abdication in a ceremony at the Royal Palace. And perhaps in this ceremony we will see the sisters of the king and even the Infanta Cristina.
Reply With Quote
  #355  
Old 06-04-2014, 11:33 AM
NoorMeansLight's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 5,055
In other words, Juan Carlos had sworn in under completely different circumstances and laws. On June 18th the process will differ.
I too think that Leonor will become Princess of Asturias immediately.
Reply With Quote
  #356  
Old 06-05-2014, 04:25 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 12,513
King to lose immunity along with throne | In English | EL PAÍS
King Juan Carlos's reign in Spain ends amid falling popularity and bungling | World news | theguardian.com
King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates: Spanish government clears way for Prince Felipe to be crowned before the end of the month - Europe - World - The Independent

I am curious about the future role of the old king and the immunity issue. 2 paternity lawsuits are looming and if people decide digging there could be worse.
Furthermore, the old kings seem to remain in Zarzuela I with F&L remaining in Zarzuela II, how easy will it be for Felipe to clean house with the old king and his men still around?
Reply With Quote
  #357  
Old 06-05-2014, 04:48 AM
lula's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: , Spain
Posts: 18,656
The King and Queen will be removed to the residential part of Zarzuela, and all area offices and reception rooms will be available to the new king.

Prince Felipe will place his own team that will now be free to act, until now they had to fulfill the orders of the King team.

Spottorno, Chief of the House of the King, had worked there before and was recovered in times of crisis, but he has 69 years. Probably like him, there are others who are past retirement age but are still maintained there for confidence of the King and Queen.
Reply With Quote
  #358  
Old 06-05-2014, 05:24 AM
Bine221's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 1,435
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade View Post
King to lose immunity along with throne | In English | EL PAÍS
King Juan Carlos's reign in Spain ends amid falling popularity and bungling | World news | theguardian.com
King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicates: Spanish government clears way for Prince Felipe to be crowned before the end of the month - Europe - World - The Independent

I am curious about the future role of the old king and the immunity issue. 2 paternity lawsuits are looming and if people decide digging there could be worse.
Furthermore, the old kings seem to remain in Zarzuela I with F&L remaining in Zarzuela II, how easy will it be for Felipe to clean house with the old king and his men still around?
Yeah, the immunity issue is something, that may become a boomerang for JC .

For the Zarzuela situation, I do not see a major problem here. I think, that the NEW King may want to remain in their villa anyway.

And the "grey men"? Well, they will have exactly this amount of power, what the NEW King is intending to give to them.
The old king wont have any official power any more, so it is up to Felipe to decide, whether he wants to keep them or fire them.
Due to the negative "politics" in Zarzuela against the CP Couple during the last years I hope he will get rid of some of the biggest internal enemies.

BYe Bine
Reply With Quote
  #359  
Old 06-05-2014, 07:55 AM
lula's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: , Spain
Posts: 18,656
King Felipe VI and Queen Letizia will make presentation visits during the summer.

The firsts destinations will be Portugal, France and Morocco.

On August 4, they will travel to Belgium to the commemoration of the centenary of the beginning of the First World War.

Felipe y Letizia dedicarán julio y agosto a un 'tour' para presentar su reinado. Diario de Noticias de Navarra
Reply With Quote
  #360  
Old 06-05-2014, 08:21 AM
xenobia's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Near the artic circle, Sweden
Posts: 705
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade View Post
I am curious about the future role of the old king and the immunity issue. 2 paternity lawsuits are looming and if people decide digging there could be worse.
Furthermore, the old kings seem to remain in Zarzuela I with F&L remaining in Zarzuela II, how easy will it be for Felipe to clean house with the old king and his men still around?
I'm curious about this. I know there have been rumors for several years about king JC and other women, but I've never heard anything about paternity lawsuits?
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
abdication, king felipe vi, king juan carlos, king juan carlos abdication


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Roles within the Spanish Royal Family after King Juan Carlos' Abdication royal-blue Royal Family of Spain 42 07-31-2014 11:02 AM
The Abdication of King Juan Carlos: June 18, 2014 dazzling King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia 129 06-20-2014 10:15 PM
King Albert II Announces his Abdication: July 3rd 2013 principessa Royal Family of Belgium 268 07-11-2013 03:31 PM
Queen Beatrix Announces Abdication: January 28, 2013 Marengo Princess Beatrix 391 04-16-2013 10:26 AM




Popular Tags
albania best outfit birthday carl gustaf chris o'neill crown princess mary crown princess victoria current events denmark earl of snowdon general news hereditary grand duchess stéphanie hereditary grand duke guillaume iceland infanta cristina infanta leonor infanta sofia iñaki urdangarín king felipe king felipe vi king philippe king willem-alexander letizia liechtenstein monarchy news picture of the week prince alexander prince carl philip prince daniel prince emmanuel prince felix prince gabriel prince harry prince nicholas prince oscar princess beatrice princess claire of luxembourg princess estelle princess leonore princess madeleine princess mary fashion princess of asturias princess sofia princess sofias hats princess victoria queen elizabeth ii queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen margerthe queen mathilde queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen silvia rohan spanish royal family events state visit stephanie sweden swedish royal family the duchess of cambridge hats tony armstrong-jones victoria



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:15 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017
Jelsoft Enterprises