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Victoria's Christmas bake off! Â*A new show reveals what Queen Victoria’s bakers cooked up at Christmas | Daily Mail Online
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History laid bare! Tums back then - a lot more robust than today ( ) , but always fasinating to see how live was lived then and now.
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Old 01-13-2017, 02:41 AM
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What You Need to Know About Queen Victoria and Prince Albert’s Romance—Before This Weekend’s Debut of Victoria - Vogue
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:04 AM
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We Are Not Amused: The Queen Victoria Quiz http://fb.me/8qrgcsbpg

I scored 21 out of 30. Not bad for me!!
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:30 AM
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I scored 30 out of 30, but admit that about 20% of my answers were lucky guesses, or correct only through the process of elimination
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Well I got 28/30. Apparently the biographies I've read minimized her 'fits of anger' (I guessed depression) and I didn't know the answer to the one I guessed wrong on.
I watched Masterpiece Theater's opening episode of Victoria last night - interesting to compare it to the movie which came out several years ago and covered the same era of her life.
For those more knowledgable than I, does the PBS version fairly accurately portray the events?
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:02 PM
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Maybe we should move a discussion of the PBS presentation of "Victoria" to the electronic library thread (?) but I do have to say that I was very much impressed by the first segment of this series. Some things about Victoria weren't blatantly obvious such as the first scene where she tells her governess that she can walk down the stairs by herself. Up to that point, her mother ensured that she never descended or ascended a flight of stairs unassisted.

The machinations of the powers behind the throne clearly, to me, showed how much courage it took for Victoria to overcome a lifetime of being treated like a fragile doll baby than a real person and just stand up for herself and those that she felt she could trust. Her attachment to Lord Melborne was excellently portrayed as it showed just how insecure and floundering she was a first in her role as Queen and also as a woman in her own right.

I really would have cheered immensely if they had taken a bit of poetic license with the show and had Victoria actually push her mother or Conroy down the stairs themselves or banished them away from her presence. They were excellently portrayed as the self serving villains they were.

Looking forward to segment two coming up.
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Movie and TV adaptations irritate the hell out of me. Every heroine needs to be a sylph-like ingenue. Victoria was very young, under 5 feet tall and plump as can be yet is invariably portrayed by older, taller and slimmer women.

How sexist is that, we have turned a great woman, Queen Victoria, a woman who reigned so long her era is called 'Victorian', into a pretty dolly! Good grief, they even imply she fell in love with Lord Melbourne, a man of 60 yet portrayed by a young and handsome man to give the notion credence.

The idea that Victoria would "fall in love" with such a man is laughable yet is now an accepted 'truth'!
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Movie and TV adaptations irritate the hell out of me. Every heroine needs to be a sylph-like ingenue. Victoria was very young, under 5 feet tall and plump as can be yet is invariably portrayed by older, taller and slimmer women.

How sexist is that, we have turned a great woman, Queen Victoria, a woman who reigned so long her era is called 'Victorian', into a pretty dolly! Good grief, they even imply she fell in love with Lord Melbourne, a man of 60 yet portrayed by a young and handsome man to give the notion credence.

The idea that Victoria would "fall in love" with such a man is laughable yet is now an accepted 'truth'!
I actually didn't see it portrayed as much as Victoria "falling in love" with him but rather coming to rely on him and depend on him and his advice as someone she admired and could trust in an avuncular way. Now that you pointed it out though, it was a tad bit pointing towards insinuating that Victoria was falling for the man and he being "older and wiser" knew how to back off.

I guess too with the side story of Miss Skerritt and the chef seemingly heading towards a "illicit" type relationship that has absolutely nothing to do with historical facts kind of puts the required sexual and titillating elements that most productions feel they need to throw in there to keep the interest up.
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Movie and TV adaptations irritate the hell out of me. Every heroine needs to be a sylph-like ingenue. Victoria was very young, under 5 feet tall and plump as can be yet is invariably portrayed by older, taller and slimmer women.

How sexist is that, we have turned a great woman, Queen Victoria, a woman who reigned so long her era is called 'Victorian', into a pretty dolly! Good grief, they even imply she fell in love with Lord Melbourne, a man of 60 yet portrayed by a young and handsome man to give the notion credence.

The idea that Victoria would "fall in love" with such a man is laughable yet is now an accepted 'truth'!
Rufus Sewell is 49 - so no longer "young" though he is irritatingly handsome. Jenna is 30, and I find her acting compelling enough to forgive her weight. She does have fairly broad shoulders and hips.
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Early portraits of her made her appear rather thin. I thought it was later that she got larger.
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I also watched the show and the first thing that came to mind after about 20 minutes was how fast they went from scene to scene or incident of one day to another day without anything in between. Maybe I am not explaining it right but it seems that the show moved to fast in her life during this time, like walking down the stairs and then on to something else without explaining what that meant to viewers that did not know her mother had such control over her life that she could not even do that alone as a child or teenager.....I have read a number of books and seen other shows about her which explained that situation yet things went to fast for me, just my opinion.

I so would have liked to see her put her mother in her place yet that will come. I think she being as young as she was not really having a positive male influence in her life when younger became very infatuated with Lord M, she was in the stages of new feelings that were totally unknown to her so she relied on him for guidance and directions when first becoming queen. In all it was very enjoyable and entertaining and will watch it when it does a rerun.
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I've always taken it that Victoria, young, inexperienced and rather naive, developed something of a schoolgirl crush on Lord Melbourne. He advised her and must have seemed very witty and sophisticated. London Society seems to have treated the crush as rather a joke.

I think Victoria always had weight issues, probably a gift from her Hanovarian forebears. She started out as a slender young Queen yet within a year she complained that she was putting on weight and would have to do lots of horse riding. I think she was active and energetic when young (lots of dancing, walking and horse riding) but turned to comfort food sometimes when stressed.
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I've always taken it that Victoria, young, inexperienced and rather naive, developed something of a schoolgirl crush on Lord Melbourne. He advised her and must have seemed very witty and sophisticated. London Society seems to have treated the crush as rather a joke.

I think Victoria always had weight issues, probably a gift from her Hanovarian forebears. She started out as a slender young Queen yet within a year she complained that she was putting on weight and would have to do lots of horse riding. I think she was active and energetic when young (lots of dancing, walking and horse riding) but turned to comfort food sometimes when stressed.
And add the fact that she had nine children in less than seventeen years...
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^ Of course having all those children would have wrecked her figure. However, in my post and in the ones above, we were discussing the period before her marriage, the time of Lord Melbourne and the first three years of her reign.
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^ Of course having all those children would have wrecked her figure. However, in my post and in the ones above, we were discussing the period before her marriage, the time of Lord Melbourne and the first three years of her reign.
Ah yes. She was described as "plump as a partridge" as a child.
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Old 01-19-2017, 02:20 AM
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To be fair though, the BO and overweight thing of the young Queen Victoria, referred to in the above article linked by eya, occurred when she had a fit of the glooms. It was after the Flora Hastings and Ladies of the Bedchamber affair where she'd been heavily criticised and she was fed up with everything.
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It sounds like perhaps it would have been a good thing to have the Head Together campaign back in Victoria's time as a young Queen. The depression, the overeating and gulping alcohol are a good indication of how Victoria dealt with things that she thought she couldn't handle or even some as a way to strike back at her mother for her high handed treatment of her. I would think that after a lifetime of being "told" how to conduct every area of her life, she would have been more than a little intimidated by mama.

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