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Old 07-06-2011, 05:43 PM
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I know that Charlene is a fairly polarizing figure and there is certainly much she could have done (in regards to charity work and learning French) prior to her marriage to Prince Albert but seriously, coming in 5th on a relay team at the Summer Olympics is not an accomplishment?!

I am sorry but I find that a bit insulting. I am not a swimmer (really not an athlete at all) but I wager that Charlene didn't wake up one morning and decide oh...I want to be a swimmer and go to the Olympics. Its so easy.

Olympic swimmers are athletes that put a lot of time in the pool and in the gym trying to get conditioned to qualify for their regional, national, world and Olympic trials. You don't think that's an accomplishment? Ask the ladies who didn't get a chance to go to Sydney representing their country because they placed behind Charlene. Ask them what they think of her swimming? 5th place isn't anything in a relay? Many a relay team has lost their race or their timing was off because one person on their team wasn't fast enough? Ask the people who came in 6th or didn't qualify for the final. I bet those who didn't qualify for the final woudl kill for 5th place.

Its the Olympics. If it wasn't a big deal, you would not have thousands of athletes all over the world trying to qualify in their particular sport to go to the Olympics.

I know some are dismissive of Charlene, but let's keep some things in prospective.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:53 PM
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I know very little about sport, but I've been a teacher / lecturer for many years, so I'll concentrate on that.

CW could still improve her mind (never too late) by attending university outreach programmes and classes - no need to get a full-blown degree - just to show others (of any age) that education is paramount if one wants an interesting and rewarding life.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:53 PM
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Sheik I think you're full of baloney. I graduated from high school at age 17 and didn't skip any classes. It just depends on what time of year you are born.
Did you go to school in the South Africian school system as well?
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:58 PM
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Just going to the Olympics is an achievement but we're talking bigger picture. I believe you're the one who brought up other famous people who dropped out of high school like Michele Kwan. What did Michele Kwan do after dropping out of school? Somebody else mentioned Bill Gates, what did he do after he dropped out?

Charlene dropping out of school is much bigger deal because it's not a common thing to do in SA at all. We don't have Wheaties boxes that your face goes on, there aren't big endorsement deals for 5th place swimmers. The big sports in South Africa are soccer, rugby and cricket. Swimming is not a big money maker. If she finished high school she at least had the chance for a scholarship to a university but she couldn't even finish high school.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:01 PM
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I know that Charlene is a fairly polarizing figure and there is certainly much she could have done (in regards to charity work and learning French) prior to her marriage to Prince Albert but seriously, coming in 5th on a relay team at the Summer Olympics is not an accomplishment?!

I know some are dismissive of Charlene, but let's keep some things in prospective.
I have certainly been one to criticize Charlene on the Forums about her seeming disinterest in learning French. I don't think that makes her unintelligent, how can we really measure her intelligence? Just because she makes uncouth remarks to the press does not make her stupid, perhaps just unschooled in press relations.

But, seriously, she married into the Royal Family of Monaco. They are all dysfunctional and can't seem to maintain solid romantic relationships. What advantage would it be to be intellectual and aspiring in civic issues and be married to Albert? She'd go batty.

It's fun to comment on this stuff, but I'd like to see more levity on Monaco. It's tiny, it has no army, it's just a playground for the rich. It's not serious.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:11 PM
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I am not sure what you mean by its not serious? Are you referring to Monaco, its lack of army, the princely family as a whole or belittling Charlene's accomplishment as an Olympian? Because that's what I was talking about.

I agree that Charlene could have (if she wished or had the academic aptitude to do so) furthered her education either during her swimming career or when it was over. What I find bothersome is the fact that people don't seem to give her credit where credit is due. Just because its Charlene.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:19 PM
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I am not sure what you mean by its not serious? Are you referring to Monaco, its lack of army, the princely family as a whole or belittling Charlene's accomplishment as an Olympian?
All of it. I don't take the family seriously, the insignificance of Monaco/Monte Carlo on the world stage, and the belittling of Charlene.
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I am not sure what you mean by its not serious? Are you referring to Monaco, its lack of army, the princely family as a whole or belittling Charlene's accomplishment as an Olympian? Because that's what I was talking about.

I agree that Charlene could have (if she wished or had the academic aptitude to do so) furthered her education either during her swimming career or when it was over. What I find bothersome is the fact that people don't seem to give her credit where credit is due. Just because its Charlene.
I don't think talking about Charlene's achievement's or lack thereof is belittling her. I agreed that going to the Olympics is a major achievement but how is that achievement helping her in her role as princess of Monaco? If she didn't marry Albert, how would that achievement help her future career when she has no education?

I balk at celebrities being role models but really what does Charlene bring to the table as far as being an inspiration to young South African girls or as a role model for girls from Monaco? (...)
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:57 PM
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What matters is that she has shown dedication and commitment to become an Olympian athlete, and that many people who have met her can attest to the fact that she is warm, kind and grounded. But furthering her education will broaden her knowledge and make her job so much easier to have intelligent, engaging conversations with people from all walks of life. That will no doubt also send a very powerful message to youngsters all over the world; that it's never too late to continue one's education.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:48 PM
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Nevermind, i would advice this woman to dedicate time in learning french and things that might help her with her role.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:09 PM
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(...). What matters is that she has shown dedication and commitment to become an Olympian athlete, and that many people who have met her can attest to the fact that she is warm, kind and grounded. But furthering her education will broaden her knowledge and make her job so much easier to have intelligent, engaging conversations with people from all walks of life. That will no doubt also send a very powerful message to youngsters all over the world; that it's never too late to continue one's education.
I don't know how many times I have said this. Charlene admitted she did not do well in school. An English (grammar) teacher told me if you do not do well in that subject French will be hard for you to speak, putting the phrases together. She understands it far better now than when they became engaged. She confirmed this in an interview. I saw the difference in expressions from right after the first interview in French to recently when being spoken to in French. Am I the only one paying attention to these interviews?

If you have paid attention to the interviews by and about Charlene then you know she has had personal accounts all over Monaco and one the owner of an English book store talked about her. Charlene has said in interviews who her favorite authors are she likes to read. You get an education by reading, traveling and even watching documentaries you do not have to attend courses, Charlene has tutors.
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The Palace included it in her Bio. Reading biographies, poetry and contemporary art are things one does in school to become educated. Why can some of you not see this? Perhaps the answer is women have had the Womens Lib and compete with men so much they expect every other woman to get a degree. Any idea at the amount of money spent on women's educations to have her turn around and do nothing more than be an old fashioned housewife and mother? As I said she has tutors. Diana was a drop out and never had the personal experiences Charlene does Diana did just fine. Everyone who has meet Charlene says the same thing as written above.

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Old 07-07-2011, 04:47 PM
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Although a paper degree is desirable, it's not necessary. I would rather have street smarts like Whoopi Goldberg than have a sky high IQ and not be able to find my way to the bathroom. Cary Grant dropped out of school at a very young age but became a very successful actor and savvy businessman. Some people learn by going to school, others do better by learning from practical experience.

I resent the arrogance of IanChicks's statement about Monaco being insignificant. People are people, the size of the country is irrelevant. Thanks for adding to the Ugly American stereotype. Moreover, if you compare the US to Monaco on a per capita basis Monaco is kicking our butt. They lead us, by alot, in all the important categories: literacy rate, unemployment, universal health care, national debt, income taxes. We could learn alot from them. Ironically, I think they get alot of their advice from American advisors.
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:22 PM
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I don't think talking about Charlene's achievement's or lack thereof is belittling her. I agreed that going to the Olympics is a major achievement but how is that achievement helping her in her role as princess of Monaco? If she didn't marry Albert, how would that achievement help her future career when she has no education?

I balk at celebrities being role models but really what does Charlene bring to the table as far as being an inspiration to young South African girls or as a role model for girls from Monaco? (...)
In live, due to what chances are given to you, you have to make choices. Charlene became an athlete in a country that obviously doesn't offer specialized school education for future sports stars. Germany did, with East Germany even offering more professional combinations of training and school. Still, German swimmer star Franziska van Almsick (who started out in East Germany before the reunification, did not pass the final exams which would have allowed her to study eg sport or medicine after her career at university. Which is what a lot of former sports stars have done. But nobody says anything about her not being academically educated - she is today the second in command of the most important German charity for athletes.

So why is it important that Charlene who had far less possibilities to do both; being successful at school and at sports, chose her athlete career? There is so much she can still do if she wants to - see Sweden's prince Daniel, who is allowed to take university courses even though he is not qualified for that through his school education but is obviously able to do the actual work needed to pass the exams.
And if she doesn't want to: there is so much she can do in her position as the princess of Monaco, with or without further formal education. She reads. That is good.
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Katharyn, I too have suggested that CW could attend university courses in her region which is full of educational institutions, e.g. Sophia-Antipolis.

There is nothing whatsoever to stop her.

Mette-Marit has children and still manages to continue her studies.
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:55 PM
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Katharyn, I too have suggested that CW could attend university courses in her region which is full of educational institutions, e.g. Sophia-Antipolis.

There is nothing whatsoever to stop her.

Mette-Marit has children and still manages to continue her studies.
In my opinion academia is highly overated (by some). Although I have a bachelor's and master's degree (cum laude), I have found that the lessons learned in life to be much more valuable than the academic education.

I don't put people down for a having university degrees, but feel that the lessons of life (for example, the discipline and hard work to get to the Olympics) have a much heavier impact on one's experiences and upon others you encounter in life.

That said, I also acknowledge that just getting through the university experience can be rewarding in and of itself.
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If Charlene plays her cards right, she could have BOTH.

I understand the point about dusty, boring courses; I have designed some innovative, hands-on courses for my students over the years, and they seemed to like them, and still managed to get a qualification.

The two Casiraghi, and Louis, will have an idea of this kind of teaching which, often, encourages practical, innovative thinking.
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In my opinion academia is highly overated (by some). Although I have a bachelor's and master's degree (cum laude), I have found that the lessons learned in life to be much more valuable than the academic education.

I don't put people down for a having university degrees, but feel that the lessons of life (for example, the discipline and hard work to get to the Olympics) have a much heavier impact on one's experiences and upon others you encounter in life.

That said, I also acknowledge that just getting through the university experience can be rewarding in and of itself.
I agree with you and said that myself about what we learn in life. Her reading, travel and the people she meets are educating her.

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If Charlene plays her cards right, she could have BOTH.

I understand the point about dusty, boring courses; I have designed some innovative, hands-on courses for my students over the years, and they seemed to like them, and still managed to get a qualification.

The two Casiraghi, and Louis, will have an idea of this kind of teaching which, often, encourages practical, innovative thinking.
Apparently like many Charlene hasn't wanted to get a degree. I'm sorry in her position as a wife and future mother she honestly has no need for a degree since she will never work outside the home what degree's are intended for. I noticed you only mentioned Louis, and the two Casiraghi's and would assume you meant Andrea and Pierre not the females like Charlene is. Albert didn't seem to mind her lack of education so it shouldn't be such an important issue to others.
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I wonder how many people criticizing Charlene's lack of education are fans of Diana who was also a high school drop out/ not to bright woman.
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For my part, I am not criticising Charlene for not having a university degree.

On the contrary, I would wish her to get the opportunity to, perhaps, do some lecturing at a sports university.
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