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Stop whining about your privileged life and get on with your duties.
Would you give specific examples to back up your statement? You keep saying inflammatory things like this that have no basis in fact. I stand corrected if you will produce the evidence.
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:37 PM
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Would you give specific examples to back up your statement? You keep saying inflammatory things like this that have no basis in fact. I stand corrected if you will produce the evidence.
She can't. She seems to have a serious problem with Masako. Apparently having a priviliged life of material possessions should be enough for her (Masako) to get over the fact that she most likely has been emotionally abused and belittled by the IHA. Despite the fact that she was an educated diplomat..she has failed at the most basic female level of producing a male heir and therefore doesn't deserve any pity.

But congratulations to the couple on the birth of their healthy baby!
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:57 PM
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Either produce the heir or get out of the way and let someone else produce the heir. Stop whining about your privileged life and get on with your duties.
Laviollette, if you could be so kind as to post a link or a quote to the last time Masako said anything in public, let alone a whine, I would really love to read it. I would be willing to change my opinion on the situation if she truly has been whining about her privileged life. Thanks!
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The whole public relations spin around the CP couple is about how bad they've been treated. About how depressed Masako is and how she's been under pressure to bear a male heir. That her prince had to defend her in public against the evil IHA for stifling her personality and career. Isn't all the spin the reason why there are such rude and vicisous remarks upon the birth of a male child to the second princely couple in Japan?

I'm responding to this poor, poor CP couple mentality--'how will Masako handle this? I feel so sorry for her.' Why the anger if this sympathy machine hasn't been orchestrated by the barin CPss and her husband?
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Laviolette...while people have definitely expressed their support and gratitude for the birth of a healthy baby, their congratulations to the parents, disdain for the IHA, and the continued support of Masako...you seem to be the only person spouting any venom. If I am to understand your barin comment about Masako correctly? Not to be smart...but do you mean barren..the inability to have children? If that is the case, than that is mean spirited IMO.

Edited: Now if I misunderstood your post, than I apologize.
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:27 PM
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Head of medical team says Princess Kiko's delivery of baby boy went smoothly
......"The baby boy is in good condition. When I told the Princess, 'The operation is complete. Congratulations. How are you feeling?' she said, 'Thank you very much. I'm feeling fine.' She is recovering steadily," Aiiku Hospital Director Masao Nakabayashi told a press conference at the Imperial Household Agency on Wednesday morning.........."They followed our recommendations that she refrain from performing her official duties. The Princess said she would take everything optimistically and agreed to follow doctors' instructions. She was a good patient," he added.
"When I said, 'You can't see your children for some time, can you?' the Princess said, 'That's the only thing I'm worried about.' She said she was looking forward to listening to Princess Mako's comments on her experience abroad (in Austria)," Nakabayashi told the news conference.
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/nation...na012000c.html

Crown Prince offers congratulations to Prince Akishino
...Prince Akishino called the Crown Prince at about 8:40 a.m., just 13 minutes after the new Prince was born, and informed him of the arrival.
The Crown Prince was pleased....
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/nation...na021000c.html

White House congratulates Japanese royal family on prince's birth

....."It's always a wonderful thing when you have a newborn," White House spokesman Tony Snow told reporters.
Separately, National Security Council spokesman Fred Jones said, "We congratulate the Japanese imperial family on the birth of a healthy child."...
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060906/kyodo/d8jvioa00.html

Imperial birth truly a blessed event
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After Prince Naruhito and Prince Akishino, the next nine babies born to the Imperial family were all girls. This is the first baby boy in 41 years for the Imperial family, and the first Imperial heir born in the Heisei era.
The Emperor and Empress were told of the birth of the prince during an official visit to Sapporo. The Imperial couple must have special feelings for the child, who is their first grandson.....
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/editoria...07TDY04007.htm

World media react to news of prince's birth
The BBC's leading news item at 1 a.m. on Wednesday in England was that Princess Kiko, wife of Prince Akishino, "gave birth to a boy." The report added that people were jubilant at the birth of the first prince in about 40 years.
According to a Buckingham Palace spokesman, the British royal family will send a congratulatory message to the Imperial family. Queen Elizabeth II sent a message to the Imperial family wishing Princess Aiko good health when Crown Princess Masako, wife of Crown Prince Naruhito, gave birth to her in Dec. 2001. The royal family is expected to send a similar message this time....
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national...07TDY02007.htm

Imperial family breathes a collective sigh of happiness

...His father, Prince Fumihito, waited in a room across the hall from a delivery room where the Caesarean section was taking place. A sofa and temporary phone line were specially brought in for Fumihito.
Kiko was anesthetized around 8 a.m., and gave birth about 30 minutes later.
Fumihito, who had declared he did not want to know the gender of the baby before birth, first saw the newborn in the incubator.
"It is a prince," he was told by Ichiro Kanazawa, the Imperial Household's medical supervisor.
"Thank you," Fumihito replied calmly.
As Kiko left the delivery room, Fumihito exchanged a few words with her. "I have returned," Kiko told him, happy to have come through the birth without complications. Then he immediately used the phone in his waiting room to call his parents, Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko. The couple are on an official visit to Hokkaido............On Wednesday, Fumihito also called his older brother, Crown Prince Naruhito. Naruhito reportedly congratulated Fumihito on the smooth delivery, and wished the couple and their baby good health.
Crown Princess Masako also seemed to take encouragement from some of the expectation being lifted from her shoulders, sources said....
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-...609060478.html

Nation embraces little prince
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-...609060481.html

Royal families, gov'ts send congratulations on Japan's new prince

Royal families and governments around the world including from Britain and Thailand, which have close ties with the Japanese imperial family, congratulated Japan on the birth of a baby boy to Prince Akishino and his wife Princess Kiko on Wednesday.
Britain's Queen Elizabeth sent a personal message of congratulations to Emperor Akihito on the birth of the new prince in the royal household, Buckingham Palace confirmed Wednesday. "Prince Philip and I were delighted to hear of the birth of your grandson. Please convey our warmest congratulations to Prince Akishino and Princess Kiko," the text of the message - signed "Elizabeth R." - read....
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060906/kyodo/d8jvesk80.html

New Prince expected to deliver 150 billion yen economic windfall
The long-awaited birth of a boy to Japan's Imperial Family may shore up the nation's falling marriage and birth rates and give a lift to the overall economy to the tune of 150 billion yen, a private think tank said Wednesday....
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/nation...na029000c.html
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Joy at baby's birth; anger at speculation

The Yomiuri Shimbun

...Following the Feb. 7 announcement that Princess Kiko was pregnant, Prince Akishino and his family had experienced both joyous and anxious days, sources said.

Many magazines published speculative and unsupported articles--on an almost daily basis--regarding the baby's gender, and some reported rumors about arguments within the Imperial household over the issue of Imperial succession.

Prince Akishino was said to have been frustrated with the spurious media reports, and repeatedly requested that the Imperial Household Agency officials create a more peaceful environment for his family, the sources said...

full article: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national...07TDY03004.htm
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:39 PM
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Will the child 1st be seen at his naming ceremony in a weeks time or will he leave hospital before this time? Will he be hidden until the time of rituals?
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:41 PM
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Will the child 1st be seen at his naming ceremony in a weeks time or will he leave hospital before this time? Will he be hidden until the time of rituals?
We will only be able to see the first glimpse of the prince when he leaves the hospital to return home in about 10 days.
The naming ceremony will be held on Sept. 12th, 2006.
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:55 PM
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They've had eight empresses in the past, why can't they have one again?
But unlike for example Queen Victoria of Great Britain, whose descendants ruled after her, and unlike the ruling queens of our times, whose sons will be kings after they die, none of these Japanese empresses had children, who inherited the thrown after them. They were only empresses when the "real" heir to the thrown were just little boys. The last ruling empress, who lived in the 1700s, only ruled as long as her little nephew was a minor. Thus, the imperial blood line was unbroken, since none of the empresses had children.
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Well, since producing a male was the object of the exercise in the first place, it pretty well beggars belief that someone didn't know. Prince Akishino was saying that it was a boy a couple of weeks ago, wasn't he?
Exactly. From what I could gather Elspeth, the 'aim' of this conception was to produce a male heir so if they state that they did not know the sex of the child before the deilvery, I really find this hard to fathom
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I'm responding to this poor, poor CP couple mentality--'how will Masako handle this? I feel so sorry for her.' Why the anger if this sympathy machine hasn't been orchestrated by the barin CPss and her husband?
How should the prince and princess have "orchestrated" the opinions in this forum? Please, I'm really curious to learn how this could have been done. And what don you mean by "barin"? My dictionary doesn't know the word... Help is very much appreciated.
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Old 09-06-2006, 06:18 PM
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Congratulations to Prince Akishino but especially to Princess Kiko, who took a big risk with pregnancy late in life and dealing with the immense pressure and speculation that she's probably not used to dealing with in order to provide the Japanese Royal house with the much anticipated male heir.
I hope Akishino gives her a huge diamond necklace.

I actually think this will end being a blessing for Masako. She will still belong to the Royal family and be titled Empress and now perhaps she can be a fabulous ambassador for Japan, which is probably what she would've liked all along.

I hope everyone ends up for the better for this.
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But unlike for example Queen Victoria of Great Britain, whose descendants ruled after her, and unlike the ruling queens of our times, whose sons will be kings after they die, none of these Japanese empresses had children, who inherited the thrown after them. They were only empresses when the "real" heir to the thrown were just little boys. The last ruling empress, who lived in the 1700s, only ruled as long as her little nephew was a minor. Thus, the imperial blood line was unbroken, since none of the empresses had children.
You are so wrong, Empress Gemmei had children! Both she and her husband were of imperial blood! She abdicated in favor of her DAUGHTER, Empress Gensho.

As for abdications, Emperors also abdicated as soon as their designated heir reached of age. This wasn't exclusive to females. Also, an Emperor that has abdicated become a cloistered ruler, and he/she has higher authority over the current Emperor because of seniority.

As for the Imperial line, there's no such thing as a male or female imperial line back then because the Imperial family married each other! Cousins married cousins! Uncle married nieces! It's ONE line!

Emperor Mommu's successor was his mother, Empress Gemmei. Her mother was also his FIRST COUSIN ONCE REMOVED.

These people are just making up excuses for their sexism.

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Well, I guess my knowledge on the history of the Japanese imperial house could be better. But can you claim, that any emperor or (ruling) empress of Japan wasn't of imperial blood on their father's side? Every member of the imperial family since forever has had imperial blood on their paternal sides. Empress Gemmei's husband was, you say, as imperial as her, so their children had imperial blood on their father's side. Princesses had to marry a prince with imperial blood on his father's side if her children would become princes or princesses. If Aiko became empress, surely you would want her children to succeed her? But unless she got married to a noble man with imperial blood, these children would be the first princes and princesses for centuries, who wouldn't have imperial blood on their father's side.
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Most, if not all, the Emperors before Akihito were imperial from BOTH paternal and maternal side (even the concubines came from the imperial line's cadet branches).

Also the rule that the successor needs to have an Emperor on their father's side wasn't invented until Japan came in contact with Prussia (I think it was Prussia) and adapted their salic law.
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The whole public relations spin around the CP couple is about how bad they've been treated. About how depressed Masako is and how she's been under pressure to bear a male heir. That her prince had to defend her in public against the evil IHA for stifling her personality and career. Isn't all the spin the reason why there are such rude and vicisous remarks upon the birth of a male child to the second princely couple in Japan?

I'm responding to this poor, poor CP couple mentality--'how will Masako handle this? I feel so sorry for her.' Why the anger if this sympathy machine hasn't been orchestrated by the barin CPss and her husband?
The whole PR spin about the poor princess? The official PR spin by the IHA has been nothing if not to further denigrate Masako's person; "deny her character" in the words of the Crown Prince. And Naruhito is obviously not a complainer if he let things get to the point that his wife needed hospitalization before he let out even a whimper of a cry for understanding the situation. And "why the anger"? Not too sure what you refer to here -- there is concern for Masako because she has suffered from "an adjustment disorder and depression". And, her primary job, of which she is well aware, was to produce not just an heir -- but a male heir. And, not only has she had trouble carrying a pregnancy to term but her sole child is a girl. Therefore, she is a "failure" in the breeding department in the IHA's eyes and for them, that is really her only job. This from a woman who has been a classic overachiever in many other areas of her life, including other work she has done in her capacity as Crown Princess, if Naruhito's remarks are to be believed. Given how fragile her mental health state has been, it would be odd, if not indecent, not to be concerned. There is anger at the system Perhaps if you would read through some of the discussion on the threads you point us to, you would speak more realistically to this situation. I would be the first to say if I thought Masako was "whining". Instead, I really believe she is in a miserble situation, not unlike that her mother-in-law experienced. Clearly there is a control issue all wrapped up with a "tradition" issue that needs to be addressed in this royal family, perhaps in the whole of Japanese society. Does that mean I don't like Kiko and am not happy for her family and the baby? Of course not. There is room in life to feel many things for many people.
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The whole PR spin about the poor princess? The official PR spin by the IHA has been nothing if not to further denigrate Masako's person; "deny her character" in the words of the Crown Prince. And Naruhito is obviously not a complainer if he let things get to the point that his wife needed hospitalization before he let out even a whimper of a cry for understanding the situation. And "why the anger"? Not too sure what you refer to here -- there is concern for Masako because she has suffered from "an adjustment disorder and depression". And, her primary job, of which she is well aware, was to produce not just an heir -- but a male heir. And, not only has she had trouble carrying a pregnancy to term but her sole child is a girl. Therefore, she is a "failure" in the breeding department in the IHA's eyes and for them, that is really her only job. This from a woman who has been a classic overachiever in many other areas of her life, including other work she has done in her capacity as Crown Princess, if Naruhito's remarks are to be believed. Given how fragile her mental health state has been, it would be odd, if not indecent, not to be concerned. There is anger at the system Perhaps if you would read through some of the discussion on the threads you point us to, you would speak more realistically to this situation. I would be the first to say if I thought Masako was "whining". Instead, I really believe she is in a miserble situation, not unlike that her mother-in-law experienced. Clearly there is a control issue all wrapped up with a "tradition" issue that needs to be addressed in this royal family, perhaps in the whole of Japanese society. Does that mean I don't like Kiko and am not happy for her family and the baby? Of course not. There is room in life to feel many things for many people.
Well said Emily.
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I would like to congratulate the couple on their newborn son I hope that their new addition gives them just as much joy as their daughter does.
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The whole PR spin about the poor princess? The official PR spin by the IHA has been nothing if not to further denigrate Masako's person; "deny her character" in the words of the Crown Prince. And Naruhito is obviously not a complainer if he let things get to the point that his wife needed hospitalization before he let out even a whimper of a cry for understanding the situation. And "why the anger"? Not too sure what you refer to here -- there is concern for Masako because she has suffered from "an adjustment disorder and depression". And, her primary job, of which she is well aware, was to produce not just an heir -- but a male heir. And, not only has she had trouble carrying a pregnancy to term but her sole child is a girl. Therefore, she is a "failure" in the breeding department in the IHA's eyes and for them, that is really her only job. This from a woman who has been a classic overachiever in many other areas of her life, including other work she has done in her capacity as Crown Princess, if Naruhito's remarks are to be believed. Given how fragile her mental health state has been, it would be odd, if not indecent, not to be concerned. There is anger at the system Perhaps if you would read through some of the discussion on the threads you point us to, you would speak more realistically to this situation. I would be the first to say if I thought Masako was "whining". Instead, I really believe she is in a miserble situation, not unlike that her mother-in-law experienced. Clearly there is a control issue all wrapped up with a "tradition" issue that needs to be addressed in this royal family, perhaps in the whole of Japanese society. Does that mean I don't like Kiko and am not happy for her family and the baby? Of course not. There is room in life to feel many things for many people.
Well spoken Emily! I don't believe that one person on this forum has ever wished Kiko and her child ill tidings. It doesn't mean that we can't have other opinions as well.
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