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Old 04-06-2019, 09:54 PM
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Are there Royals of Noble lines?

Good day everyone. I was just curious to know if there has been any individual or a group of people who've had, for starters, been of nobility and somehow was able to climb up the latter into Royalty? I'm really interested for personal project mine and well, for future reference.

I really appreciate your time and Apologizes if this is the wrong place!
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:59 PM
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The first nobility that comes to mind is Polish magnates.
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Some magnates were also elected as kings of the Commonwealth; namely Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki and Stanisław August Poniatowski (a relative of the Czartoryski family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnat..._and_Lithuania

The Romanovs, the boyars of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, were elected by the Zemskoy Sobor to rule Russia.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:34 PM
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In reality royals started out as nobles/land lords and eventually elevated to the title of kings/royals. In France, in the days of the 'king of Franks' the dynasties started with election of a noble house. The Robertians for instance were the Counts of worm before they took the throne. Charles Martel's family were 'mayors of the palace', power behind the throne, who eventually took power. But if we are talking already established kingdoms:

-William the conqueror-William wasn't royalty, he was the Duke of Normandy. He was a bastard son of Robert the Magnificent, Duke of Normandy. He came to the throne due to his relationship with Queen Emma. Emma was the sister of William's grandfather Richard II (both children of Richard the fearless). Emma was wife of 2 kings of England, mother of 2 and stepmother of 2. When her son Edward was childless, he named the son of his maternal cousin, heir. The Dukes of Normandy were powerful rulers, but nobility, not kings.

-his opponent was also a noble not royal born king. Harold was an Earl of Wessex (not same as kingdom of Wessex). His grandfather was a thegn (an old noble title). His father was raised to Earl. Harold was chosen due to the fact his sister Edith was the widow of King Edward.
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Yeah, all of the presently regnant royal houses of Europe, and the vast majority—if not all—of the European houses that continue to hold royal titles in pretense, were formed from noble houses.

Though, it should be noted that it's an entirely different matter outside of Europe. The Arab countries in particular never really developed such a concept as titled nobility, so, except where their ancestors might have held Ottoman noble titles, it's not likely that you're going to find many Arabic royals who are descended from nobles. Additionally, in North America, the House of Iturbide (if I'm not mistaken) did not become a noble house until after it was an imperial house, and the Haitian imperial and royal houses never held any noble titles.
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Old 07-20-2019, 05:35 AM
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If you're literally only looking for names, a quick starting point:

House of Bourbon

The Habsburgs

The House of Hannover

The first two are especially crucial to the 16th thru late 18th century history of Europe as a whole, not even just Western Europe. The third was rather important to British history, giving it the various King Georges.
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Old 07-20-2019, 06:43 AM
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There were the Bonapartes who were minor coriscan nobility I suppose and one of them made it to being Emperor...
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As Troy Thompson and Countessmeout pointed out above, the vast majority of European royal houses originated from what we would deem "nobility". One exception is the reigning royal house of Sweden, the House of Bernadotte, the first sovereign of which was born as a commoner.

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Though, it should be noted that it's an entirely different matter outside of Europe. The Arab countries in particular never really developed such a concept as titled nobility, so, except where their ancestors might have held Ottoman noble titles, it's not likely that you're going to find many Arabic royals who are descended from nobles. Additionally, in North America, the House of Iturbide (if I'm not mistaken) did not become a noble house until after it was an imperial house, and the Haitian imperial and royal houses never held any noble titles.
Thank you for the reminder that European concepts are not always applicable to countries and systems elsewhere.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:50 AM
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Yeah, all of the presently regnant royal houses of Europe, and the vast majority—if not all—of the European houses that continue to hold royal titles in pretense, were formed from noble houses.

Though, it should be noted that it's an entirely different matter outside of Europe. The Arab countries in particular never really developed such a concept as titled nobility, so, except where their ancestors might have held Ottoman noble titles, it's not likely that you're going to find many Arabic royals who are descended from nobles. Additionally, in North America, the House of Iturbide (if I'm not mistaken) did not become a noble house until after it was an imperial house, and the Haitian imperial and royal houses never held any noble titles.
1 Alaouite dynasty of Morocco descended from Al-Hassan Ad-Dakhil who was hoped to be a descendant of greatest Islamic Prophet Muhammad.
2 House of Saud of Saudi Arabia descended from Saud ibn Muhammad ibn Muqrin that traces its origin to the Arabian tribe of 'Amir ibn Saasaa--- a tribe that swore allegiance to Prophet Muhammad and his immediate successors.
3 The Hashemites of Jordan claim to trace their ancestry from Hashim ibn 'Abd Manaf the great-grandfather of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.

And of course,

4 The deposed Bagrationi Dynasty of Georgia that claimes their descent from the Biblical King and Prophet David.


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As Troy Thompson and Countessmeout pointed out above, the vast majority of European royal houses originated from what we would deem "nobility". One exception is the reigning royal house of Sweden, the House of Bernadotte, the first sovereign of which was born as a commoner. Thank you for the reminder that European concepts are not always applicable to countries and systems elsewhere.
Yes this is so true. They descend from a Frenchman Jean Bernadotte, a commoner who had risen to be a general during the French Revolution; married Désirée Clary also a commoner who had a sister Julie who is married to Joseph Bonaparte (older brother of Napoleon Bonaparte) briefly King of Spain, Naples and Sicily. He was also made 'Prince of Pontecorvo' by Napoleon.

PS: The Bonaparte's are of Genoese noble descent.

Jean was created Crown Prince of Sweden by the elderly King Charles XIII of Sweden who didn't have heirs. Thus ending reign of the House of Holstein-Gottorp (Swedish line) and making it extinct.
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:53 AM
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The Queen of the Belgians born gravin/comtesse Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
The Hereditary Grand-Duchess of Luxembourg born gravin/comtesse Stéphanie de Lannoy
Queen Paola, Princess of Belgium born Donna Paola dei principi Ruffo di Calabria
Lady Nicholas Windsor born Donna Paola Doimi de Lupis de Frankopan
Princess Amedeo of Belgium born Donna Elisabetta Rosboch von Wolkenstein
The Countess of Snowdon born Lady Serena Stanhope
The Duchess of Kent born Katharine (of the baronets) Worsley

These are non-royal but nevertheless noble partners in present reigning royal families which come to my mind.
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:24 AM
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The current Queen of the Belgians was born Jonkvrouw Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz and raised to the rank of Countess on the day of her marriage.

In the communications to the media in relation to the engagement (a summary: Wie is Elisabetta, de verloofde van prins Amedeo? | Royalty | Showbizz | HLN), Elisabetta Rosboch von Wolkenstein and her father were called Nobile instead of Donna (I believe the latter was limited to certain ranking families within the Italian nobility). But it is only a title of pretense, as the 1948 Constitution of Italy abolished the country's nobility.
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Old 07-20-2019, 10:06 AM
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20th Century Queen Consorts

Queen Geraldine of Albania born Countess Géraldine Margit Virginia Olga Mária Apponyi de Nagy-Appony

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother born Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon

Queen Fabiola of the Belgians born Doña Fabiola de Mora y Aragón

Tsaritsa Margarita of Bulgaria born Doña Margarita Gómez-Acebo y Cejuela
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Old 07-20-2019, 10:28 AM
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1 Alaouite dynasty of Morocco descended from Al-Hassan Ad-Dakhil who was hoped to be a descendant of greatest Islamic Prophet Muhammad.
2 House of Saud of Saudi Arabia descended from Saud ibn Muhammad ibn Muqrin that traces its origin to the Arabian tribe of 'Amir ibn Saasaa--- a tribe that swore allegiance to Prophet Muhammad and his immediate successors.
3 The Hashemites of Jordan claim to trace their ancestry from Hashim ibn 'Abd Manaf the great-grandfather of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.
This really does not contradict my statement that the Arab countries did not develop an indigenous system of titled nobility, and consequently there are not likely to be many Arab royals who are descended from nobility. Descendance from the Prophet Muhammad is not the same thing as the concept of nobility, nor is descendance from a particular tribe.

The closest thing to a concept of nobility that the Arab world developed indigenously is the concept of a sheikh, but a sheikh really is not a noble. Sheikhs are either members of the royal house, or tribal chieftains, or influential Islamic scholars.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:13 AM
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I don't think that non royal but aristocratic wives of monarchs or princes is what the OP is askig about. Of course there are many European princes in the last century who have married wives who were of noble but not royal birth... but I think he's asking about noble families who "roes to royalty"...
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:42 AM
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I don't think that non royal but aristocratic wives of monarchs or princes is what the OP is askig about. Of course there are many European princes in the last century who have married wives who were of noble but not royal birth... but I think he's asking about noble families who "roes to royalty"...
The House of Savoy and the House of Romanov are two great examples.
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