Willem-Alexander, Máxima and Family, General News 5: Aug 2023 -


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It is the [2-week] May vacation for schools, many people are away now. Of all the vacations, these trips to Argentina to her mother are of course perfectly understandable.
 
Unlike most years, king Willem-Alexander was able to celebrate his birthday on his actual birthday privately. That happens only when the 27th is on a Sunday, as in that case the public celebration is the day before. Nonetheless, the private celebration was cut short as they had to catch a flight in the evening (KLM flight at 8.50 pm - given that they landed on Monday morning at 5.30 am in Buenos Aires).
 
Máxima's mother María del Carmen Cerruti Carricart has accompanied the couple back from Argentina, she was spotted at the Royal Palace today, May 4:


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So, if the earlier reports that she was in the Netherlands for Willem-Alexander's birthday are true, the three of them traveled together to Argentina last Sunday and back probably yesterday?
 
That must be the intinarry. It was said that Mrs. Zorreguieta often goes to Greece with them after King's Day - though this year Greece was skipped in favour of Patagonia.

I am surprised to see her at the palace. One wonders if she will discreetly join the concert tonight too. In all these years I believe we only have seen her once at Noordeinde looking on to Prinsjesdag.

It is lovely the way Máxima is taking care of her mother btw. She is getting on in age, a widow and with a daughter in the Netherlands, a son in Vila La Angostura and AFAIK the other son is still living in Europe too [he showed up at the state banquet in Slovakia in 2023, so he may be living there?]. It may be rather quiet in Buenos Aires for Mrs. Zorreguieta.
 
That must be the intinarry. It was said that Mrs. Zorreguieta often goes to Greece with them after King's Day - though this year Greece was skipped in favour of Patagonia.

I am surprised to see her at the palace. One wonders if she will discreetly join the concert tonight too. In all these years I believe we only have seen her once at Noordeinde looking on to Prinsjesdag.

It is lovely the way Máxima is taking care of her mother btw. She is getting on in age, a widow and with a daughter in the Netherlands, a son in Vila La Angostura and AFAIK the other son is still living in Europe too [he showed up at the state banquet in Slovakia in 2023, so he may be living there?]. It may be rather quiet in Buenos Aires for Mrs. Zorreguieta.
According to BUNTE article of last September the youngest son, Juan, is living in Vienna
 
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That makes sense, as he lived there at the time of his wedding & he married there. i believe he is now divorced. Vienna and Bratislava are only one hour away by car.
 
How many private trips abroad has she taken since the beginning of the year? It seems she's a bit bored in the Netherlands.
Why should it be a matter for us? What she does in her time is entirely her prerogative, IMO.
 
Why should it be a matter for us? What she does in her time is entirely her prerogative, IMO.
When royals take excessive vacations or travel frequently outside their countries for leisure, it has always been discussed in this forum, and also in the press in their countries when it is a bit critical (the Danish suffered such criticism at the beginning of the year). In less than a month, Máxima has been on vacation in Greece, Argentina, and now Spain. In recent months, her leisure trips abroad seem to be frequent, so it's normal for this to raise questions.
 
Máxima is continuing her vacation and party at the Sevilla April Fair.


How many private trips abroad has she taken since the beginning of the year? It seems she's a bit bored in the Netherlands.
They do like this event - I am just back from Seville myself and it reminded me how the couple met at the Feria. Didn't they do a family trip to it a few years ago
 
When royals take excessive vacations or travel frequently outside their countries for leisure, it has always been discussed in this forum, and also in the press in their countries when it is a bit critical (the Danish suffered such criticism at the beginning of the year). In less than a month, Máxima has been on vacation in Greece, Argentina, and now Spain. In recent months, her leisure trips abroad seem to be frequent, so it's normal for this to raise questions.
I guess the question is what is excessive? Some of us do 4-5 trips a year. But this is a very personal matter on how one chooses to spend their down time. Being a member of the RF does not, IMO, mean that one is bound to that country only.
 
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That makes sense, as he lived there at the time of his wedding & he married there. i believe he is now divorced. Vienna and Bratislava are only one hour away by car.

Wow..I didn't know he was divorced. It seems the Queen's siblings have all been unlucky with love.
 
With all their holidays - I feel the King and Queen will enjoy their abdication when the time comes and getting to holiday overseas in Greece and Argentina even more
 
I guess the question is what is excessive? Some of us do 4-5 trips a year. But this is a very personal matter on how one chooses to spend their down time. Being a member of the RF does not, IMO, mean that one is bound to that country only.

Excessive would be more than the average person would do. I too do about 4-5 trips per year. The King and Queen sometimes do double that in 6 months. That is excessive. For example, in one month they made 3 separate trips to Spain. Frequent trips to Spain, Argentina, Italy, Austria, and Greece just fuel their image of a jet-set couple!
 
Isn't the queen a regular visitor to the Seville Spring fair?
I'm sure the Spanish organisers are most happy to have members of the Dutch RF in attendance.
 
I guess with no children at home to worry about and a change in her UN job, it frees up time to travel. I don’t think either of the couple have claimed to be zealous environmentalists so they aren’t hypocrites.
 
Máxima indeed recently said with the girls no longer living at home, she has a bit more freedom to travel for work - and it seems that extends to private trips. I don’t think we should assume that they are just on holiday (as in all free time) all the time; I am quite sure that given the nature of their work/their roles they still work quite a bit while traveling. But they indeed have a rather travel-heavy lifestyle these days.
 
Máxima on her daughters' exams: according to her, two are done (she doesn't mention it, but I'm sure she is referring to Alexia and Ariane) and one is yet to to her exams (that must be Amalia). In addition, she mentions that they call every morning, afternoon and evening. That doesn't sound healthy and I cannot imagine the girls would truly appreciate being on the phone with their mom that much...


Again, her Dutch clearly deteriorated a lot - even the subtitles correct her; for example 'goede cijfers krijgen' as spoken by Máxima is subtitled as 'goede cijfers halen' (the latter being the correct expression in Dutch - as the first suggests that you just 'receive' good grades vs the second suggesting that you have to work for them).
 
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Máxima is continuing her vacation and party at the Sevilla April Fair.


How many private trips abroad has she taken since the beginning of the year? It seems she's a bit bored in the Netherlands.
her schedule when she is in the netherlands is quite packed so i highly doubt she is bored. she is at the stage in life when her daughters are old enough and they have more freedom to travel, along with, let's be honest, quite a lot more disposable income and privileges when it comes to travelling than the average person, so why not? she is hard working in her role as queen, and she is allowed some down time to go see family and friends.

Wow..I didn't know he was divorced. It seems the Queen's siblings have all been unlucky with love.
i didn't know this either, how sad.

Again, her Dutch clearly deteriorated a lot - even the subtitles correct her; for example 'goede cijfers krijgen' as spoken by Máxima is subtitled as 'goede cijfers halen' (the latter being the correct expression in Dutch - as the first suggests that you just 'receive' good grades vs the second suggesting that you have to work for them).
this is interesting. i've never heard anyone in the same situation whose second language, when fully immersed and working and living in the acquired language culture, gets worse with time - it typically just improves or stays the same. i don't speak dutch so i cannot judge but this seems strange. if this type of error wasn't more than once i think it is just the odd one out as opposed to saying categorically her dutch got worse.
 
this is interesting. i've never heard anyone in the same situation whose second language, when fully immersed and working and living in the acquired language culture, gets worse with time - it typically just improves or stays the same. i don't speak dutch so i cannot judge but this seems strange. if this type of error wasn't more than once i think it is just the odd one out as opposed to saying categorically her dutch got worse.
It's a general pattern that has been discussed on TRF before as well. Of course, people can make mistakes, especially in their second (or third or fourth) language; so a one time issue would not necessarily be problematic (even native speakers might make mistakes once in a while) - however, this was the most obvious one in this case but her pronunciation was sloppy as well. While Máxima at first made a very great effort to speak correctly, it seems that same effort is no longer in place. Hence, the observation by several people over time that her Dutch is getting worse instead of better. I guess, she still regularly uses three languages and it seems Dutch is not the primary one but rather English with Spanish as a close second?!

See below for some Dutch language articles and tv items that discuss this same issue:
Queen Máxima is being subtitled, her Dutch is getting worse (17 Feb 2025)
Problems for Máxima: detoriating fast (28 July 2024)
BLVD subtitles queen Máxima 'Dutch is getting worse and worse' (21 June 2024) --> providing examples of many incomplete sentences and Máxima wondering whether she is going to 'hit' (slaan) her husband instead of 'beat' (verslaan) him in a competition.
Item in Dutch royalty program about Máxima's linguistic abilities(25 May 2025) --> a linguist states that she is now able to pronounce 'ui' (which she previously couldn't) but makes lots of mistakes in for example articles and sentence order that she didn't make in the past.
 
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I think perhaps the Queen is just resting on her laurels. She's been Queen for many years and she's produced 3 beautiful daughters and successfully represents her country on the world stage.
Whereas when she first came to the Netherlands..she had alot to prove and conquering Dutch was key. As a result, she took great strides to master the language being taught by the best professors..etc
The mistakes she makes- mixing up word orders in a sentence, forgetting and omitting articles, and using words that sound the same but have different meanings bears proof that she doesn't use the language on a day to day basis.
 
I am surprised to hear that her Dutch is deteriorating. I wonder then what language is spoken at home, you would imagine if it was Dutch then she would be completely fluent.
 
This can easily happen and quickly. Practice is everything, even for fluent people, in order to be prepared for any conversation on any subject (this is what royals often experience at events).
I work for a Dutch company and my bosses are fluent in German, business language is English but smalltalk and meetings are usually in German. Having said that, when my bosses come back from summer holiday, they are struggling to speak German in the first days or week, making lots of mistakes or a missing the correct word.
I assume Maxima does not speak any Dutch at home but either Spanish or English and therefore its only logical that she will struggle with everyday Dutch at her events (many of them are abroad/in English anyway).
 
It's a general pattern that has been discussed on TRF before as well. Of course, people can make mistakes, especially in their second (or third or fourth) language; so a one time issue would not necessarily be problematic (even native speakers might make mistakes once in a while) - however, this was the most obvious one in this case but her pronunciation was sloppy as well. While Máxima at first made a very great effort to speak correctly, it seems that same effort is no longer in place. Hence, the observation by several people over time that her Dutch is getting worse instead of better. I guess, she still regularly uses three languages and it seems Dutch is not the primary one but rather English with Spanish as a close second?!

See below for some Dutch language articles and tv items that discuss this same issue:
Queen Máxima is being subtitled, her Dutch is getting worse (17 Feb 2025)
Problems for Máxima: detoriating fast (28 July 2024)
BLVD subtitles queen Máxima 'Dutch is getting worse and worse' (21 June 2024) --> providing examples of many incomplete sentences and Máxima wondering whether she is going to 'hit' (slaan) her husband instead of 'beat' (verslaan) him in a competition.
Item in Dutch royalty program about Máxima's linguistic abilities(25 May 2025) --> a linguist states that she is now able to pronounce 'ui' (which she previously couldn't) but makes lots of mistakes in for example articles and sentence order that she didn't make in the past.
Interesting. Thanks for the context. This is interesting to hear as someone who doesn’t speak Dutch. I guess then that maybe these days quite a bit of her meetings happen in English perhaps as she is heavily involved with the UN and travels abroad often for that? Maybe they speak English at home? Or even Spanish between herself and the girls?
 
Interesting. Thanks for the context. This is interesting to hear as someone who doesn’t speak Dutch. I guess then that maybe these days quite a bit of her meetings happen in English perhaps as she is heavily involved with the UN and travels abroad often for that? Maybe they speak English at home? Or even Spanish between herself and the girls?
To ensure their daughters grew up bilingual, Máxima spoke Spanish with them from the start, while Willem-Alexander would speak Dutch to them. The princesses speak Dutch among themselves, so I guess that is also the 'family language' for example if they share a meal together. I am not sure what language Willem-Alexander and Máxima speak between just the two of them.
 
In any way, it is embarrassing that a veteral royal like Maxima will be subtitled after 20+ years because her knowledge of the language of her adopted country is in decline. Its either lack of practise or interest.
 
Very interesting - of all the royals in the last 20/30years I have felt Maxima to be the most accomplished in terms of her language skills and her job. I did not realise that she recently has been having a decline in her dutch skills which is very poor for the Queen of the country to not be as fluent as she should. Clearly as others have stated she does not use this on a day to day basis - English is probably the main spoken language.

Does WA speak Spanish or would they converse more in English?
 
Raising her daughters bilingual would have presented a problem for Maxima herself, whose Dutch is obviously detoriating. If she only spoke Spanish to her daughters, her adopted language would have suffered greatly.
In those circles for bilinguality its best to hire staff like nannies who will take care of this.
It is? I had no idea. I would have thought that since she became queen her Dutch would naturally improve even more, simply from added exposure .
 
It is? I had no idea. I would have thought that since she became queen her Dutch would naturally improve even more, simply from added exposure .
It is. 81% of the respondants at the mediacourant think it is time for Maxima to do something about her language skills and start an intensive course with the nuns in Vught.

 
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