Titles of the Swedish RF and Changes 2019

[duke of poliganc]

Thank you for clarifying!

An important difference between the Netherlands and Sweden is that in the Netherlands (and the other Benelux countries), there is a tradition of married women being addressed by courtesy with a name/title which is not their legal name/title. This is not true in Sweden (or the other Scandinavian countries).

The Netherlands laws on civil status are influenced by the system introduced under the Bonaparte dynasty in the early 19th century. Under this system, women (and men) legally keep their birth name and rank for life, but married women are permitted to use their husbands' name and rank in an unofficial social capacity. Thus, if Dutch nobleman Count Claus-Casimir of Orange-Nassau of Amsberg married a commoner named Johanna de Vries, she would legally remain an untitled commoner, and her legal surname would remain de Vries, but she could be socially addressed as Countess Johanna of Orange-Nassau of Amsberg.

In Sweden, on the other hand, the tradition is that the legal name and title matches the social mode of address. When Swedish nobleman Count Folke Bernadotte of Wisborg married commoner Estelle Manville, she was legally elevated from commoner to noblewoman and her legal name and title became Countess Estelle Bernadotte of Wisborg.

So, if the monarch does not bestow a Princess title on Alexander’s future wife, but she calls herself a Princess regardless, she will not be observing the customs of her country, she will simply be disobeying the monarch.

Thank you for the clarification, although I always associated the the costume of calling woman who married a prince like Princess Michael of Ken’s a British one, I noticed that sometimes the same thing happens with other monarchies for example when Maud of Wales married the future Haakon VII of Norway During her time as a danish princess she was called Princess Charles of Denmark same goes for Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark, was it an Anglo version of their titles in the Uk or they were called by the same titles and style in both Greece and Denmark?

 

[meeralakshmi]

The Marshal of the Realm used the phrases "personal titles" when referring to the title prince/princess and "honorary titles" when referring to the title of duke/duchess.

The Marshal said that: "These titles are personal and won't be passed on to wife/husband or the next generation".

So he referred to both the personal and honorary titles as personal?

Thank you for the clarification, although I always associated the the costume of calling woman who married a prince like Princess Michael of Ken’s a British one, I noticed that sometimes the same thing happens with other monarchies for example when Maud of Wales married the future Haakon VII of Norway During her time as a danish princess she was called Princess Charles of Denmark same goes for Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark, was it an Anglo version of their titles in the Uk or they were called by the same titles and style in both Greece and Denmark?

A lot of monarchies used to use the Princess (husband’s name) title. The UK is the only existing European monarchy that still does.

 

[JR76]

So he referred to both the personal and honorary titles as personal?

When he spoke of the ducal titles he said that "these too won't be passed on"

 

[duke of poliganc]

Is it possible in the future that we will see the Swedish monarch allowed to give nobility titles again? I know that it is prohibited by the constitution and that addition to the Swedish nobility was the current king sister, but recently we saw the revival of Swedish orders and the rules change to allow them being given to Swedish citizens

 

[Mbruno]

Is it possible in the future that we will see the Swedish monarch allowed to give nobility titles again? I know that it is prohibited by the constitution and that addition to the Swedish nobility was the current king sister, but recently we saw the revival of Swedish orders and the rules change to allow them being given to Swedish citizens

I believe that a more correct statement is not that creating new nobility is forbidden by the constitution, but rather that the power to grant nobility is not conferred upon the King under the current constitution.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The Marshal of the Realm used the phrases "personal titles" when referring to the title prince/princess and "honorary titles" when referring to the title of duke/duchess.

The Marshal said that: "These titles are personal and won't be passed on to wife/husband or the next generation".

Thank you! As a Swedish speaker, what do you believe the Marshal meant by "personal" and "honorary" in this context?

 

[duke of poliganc]

Thank you! As a Swedish speaker, what do you believe the Marshal meant by "personal" and "honorary" in this context?

I guess they want to treat the grandchildren as the sisters of the current king and making it the same for females and males so male grandchildren would be the same as Princess Christina

 

[JR76]

That’s why I pointed out that CG allowed his grandchildren born after 2019 to be a prince and princess which doesn’t limit the number of titled people.

The King obviously didn't want to treat his new grandchildren differently than their siblings. No matter of how many more grandchildren he might get by giving them personal titles that is more limiting than if they should be shared by the future grandchildren-in-law.

Thank you! As a Swedish speaker, what do you believe the Marshal meant by "personal" and "honorary" in this context?

That the title of prince/princess is a personal one that won't be passed on to future spouses and children and that the ducal titles are exactly what we've known always known that they were - un-inheritable (is that a word?) honorary titles without any privileges attached to them.

 

[meeralakshmi]

The King obviously didn't want to treat his new grandchildren differently than their siblings. No matter of how many more grandchildren he might get by giving them personal titles that is more limiting than if they should be shared by the future grandchildren-in-law.

I don’t think a spouse sharing their spouse’s title is the same as the title transferring to their children as the title will die with both spouses.

In Spain infantes/infantas are given life peerages and their spouses are made non-royal consorts of the peerages but their kids have no title besides don/doña. As I’ve suggested CG could do the same for Carl Philip and Madeleine’s children’s spouses.

 

[iceflower]

A number of posts discussing other royal houses have been removed as off-topic.

 

[JR76]

I don’t think a spouse sharing their spouse’s title is the same as the title transferring to their children as the title will die with both spouses.

The King wanted to limit the number of princes and princesses in Sweden and by all accounts he wanted to do so in his grandchildren's generation not in the generation thereafter. Therefore he decided that their spouses should not get to share their titles. As it is now we'll have four princes and three princesses who are never expected to be performing royal duties even part-time. If their future spouses were to share their titles we'd have a minimum of fourteen princes and princesses in that position. That is what he, for a few reasons, want's to avoid.

 

[meeralakshmi]

The King wanted to limit the number of princes and princesses in Sweden and by all accounts he wanted to do so in his grandchildren's generation not in the generation thereafter. Therefore he decided that their spouses should not get to share their titles. As it is now we'll have four princes and three princesses who are never expected to be performing royal duties even part-time. If their future spouses were to share their titles we'd have a minimum of fourteen princes and princesses in that position. That is what he, for a few reasons, want's to avoid.

The spouses being non-royal dukes/duchesses would avoid that just as much (like what’s done in Spain).

 

[LadyFinn]

I can imagine that the public will find it very strange that a prince’s wife is simply Mrs. Bernadotte, the spouses should at least get to share the ducal titles.

Why would it be strange? We have now Princess Christina, mrs Magnuson and consul general Tord Magnuson.
Then we could have Prince Alexander and director Xx Bernadotte.

 

[meeralakshmi]

Why would it be strange? We have now Princess Christina, mrs Magnuson and consul general Tord Magnuson.
Then we could have Prince Alexander and director Xx Bernadotte.

Because traditionally the wife of a prince and a duke has always been a princess and a duchess and the husband of a princess and a duchess can now be a prince and a duke. In Christina’s generation marrying unequally as a princess came with losing your HRH and becoming Princess X, Mrs. Y. As the princes aren’t addressed as Mr. Bernadotte but Tord is addressed as Mr. Magnuson it’ll appear that a prince’s wife shares nothing with her husband which is strange. Mrs. X Bernadotte, Duchess of Y would be a good compromise (and Mr. XY, Duke of Z for the princesses’ husbands).

 

[tommy100]

Yes this is true, for a King who has four sisters who hold titles but their husbands do not maybe it doesn’t seem strange at all for most of his grandchildren to hold a title and their future spouses not to- it will make them all the same as his sisters have been for decades now.

 

[meeralakshmi]

Yes this is true, for a King who has four sisters who hold titles but their husbands do not maybe it doesn’t seem strange at all for most of his grandchildren to hold a title and their future spouses not to- it will make them all the same as his sisters have been for decades now.

The difference is that CG’s sisters took on the titles/surnames of their husbands. The princes aren’t addressed as Mr. Bernadotte so Prince X, Duke of Y and Mrs. Bernadotte will look strange and the princesses aren’t going to become Princess X, Mrs. Y.

 

[duke of poliganc]

I know it was mentioned by the palace that cuter spouses wouldn’t share the princely titles or dukedom, but out of curiosity does Sweden have something similar to the British dukes being addressed with “Your grace” or “your excellency” or they just called Baron X, Count Y?

Am asking this cause MRs Bernadotte duchess of X sounds more weird than prince X, Duke of Y and Mrs Bernadotte

 

[meeralakshmi]

I know it was mentioned by the palace that cuter spouses wouldn’t share the princely titles or dukedom, but out of curiosity does Sweden have something similar to the British dukes being addressed with “Your grace” or “your excellency” or they just called Baron X, Count Y?

Since Carl Philip and Madeleine’s children no longer have an HRH it wouldn’t make sense for their spouses to have a prefix. Therefore if their spouses were to only use the ducal titles they would simply be X Bernadotte, Duchess of Y in the case of a wife or XY, Duke of Z in the case of a husband. I guess it wouldn’t be necessary to refer to them as Mrs. X Bernadotte/Mr. XY then.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The spouses being non-royal dukes/duchesses would avoid that just as much (like what’s done in Spain).

I know it was mentioned by the palace that cuter spouses wouldn’t share the princely titles or dukedom, but out of curiosity does Sweden have something similar to the British dukes being addressed with “Your grace” or “your excellency” or they just called Baron X, Count Y?

In Sweden, Duke/Duchess is a title of royalty, rather than nobility. While Britain and Spain have numerous non-royal dukes and duchesses in their respective nobilities, Sweden’s nobility goes up only to the rank of Count/Countess.

Swedish Dukes and Duchesses have all been members of the monarch’s family. For that reason, no precedent exists for a truly non-royal Swedish duke/duchess, or how such should be addressed. And if a royal family member were to be titled Duke/Duchess but not Prince/Princess, their title would remain closer to the titles of the other royals than the titles of the non-royal nobility.

 

[duke of poliganc]

In Sweden, Duke/Duchess is a title of royalty, rather than nobility. While Britain and Spain have numerous non-royal dukes and duchesses in their respective nobilities, Sweden’s nobility goes up only to the rank of Count/Countess.

Swedish Dukes and Duchesses have all been members of the monarch’s family. For that reason, no precedent exists for a truly non-royal Swedish duke/duchess, or how such should be addressed. And if a royal family member were to be titled Duke/Duchess but not Prince/Princess, their title would remain closer to the titles of the other royals than the titles of the non-royal nobility.

I think the only non royal duke in Sweden is the Duc d'Otrante, but other than dukes is there is a form to address counts for example, are they addressed as HE count Douglas for instance?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I think the only non royal duke in Sweden is the Duc d'Otrante

That's right, and they are why I specified Swedish dukes/duchesses. The family's ducal title is French, although they live in Sweden (which is why Danish Princess Benedikte's late husband Prince Richard zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg was partly raised in Sweden, as his mother was from the d'Otrante family). Perhaps the Swedish posters could comment on how they are perceived in Sweden.

s there is a form to address counts for example, are they addressed as HE count Douglas for instance?[/I]

Historically it was "högvälboren" (High Wellborn) for members of comital and baronial houses, and "välboren" (Wellborn) for members of untitled noble houses. But these forms of address are considered obsolete nowadays.

 

[meeralakshmi]

Swedish Dukes and Duchesses have all been members of the monarch’s family. For that reason, no precedent exists for a truly non-royal Swedish duke/duchess, or how such should be addressed. And if a royal family member were to be titled Duke/Duchess but not Prince/Princess, their title would remain closer to the titles of the other royals than the titles of the non-royal nobility.

Madeleine’s ex-fiancé was going to be made a non-royal duke consort, such a title could be given to the spouses of Carl Philip and Madeleine’s children.

 

[JR76]

Madeleine’s ex-fiancé was going to be made a non-royal duke consort, such a title could be given to the spouses of Carl Philip and Madeleine’s children.

Any ducal titled shared with a spouse or child of the seven Bernadotte grandchildren would by association be a royal title.
Jonas Berglund was going to marry the daughter of the King and not a minor member of the Royal family which according to the rules laid out in 2019 are to very different positions.
Also, again, the King wants to limit the use of titles among his descendants and has decided that the cut-off point is the families of his grandchildren.

You'll just have to accept the fact that according to what was communicated in 2019 no titles are going to be shared with the spouses and children of the seven Bernadotte grandchildren. Basta.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

If anyone is interested, I’ve moved the deleted off-topic discussion about the titles of Danish and Greek royal wives to their monarchies’ respective threads:

General Questions and Information about Danish Titles

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Titles, Surname and Nationality of the Greek Royal Family, Part 2, 2024 -

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You'll just have to accept the fact that according to what was communicated in 2019 no titles are going to be shared with the spouses and children of the seven Bernadotte grandchildren. Basta.

Nobody is compelled to agree with every decision taken by a monarch. meeralakshmi was not questioning the facts of what was announced in 2019, she was expressing her opinion about it, as we are all entitled to do.

The criticisms of King Carl XVI Gustaf’s 2019 decision have been much more restrained and courteous compared to the heated attacks which some people directed at, say, Queen Margrethe II or King Charles III for the title-slimming decisions they made or considered making.

 

[Mbruno]

If anyone is interested, I’ve moved the deleted off-topic discussion about the titles of Danish and Greek royal wives to their monarchies’ respective threads:

General Questions and Information about Danish Titles

* * This thread is dedicated to general questions and information about Danish Titles. For the particular title changes in 2008, 2022 and 2024, please see and use our extra thread instead: "New Titles for Queen Margrethe's Descendants: 2008 & 2022, 2024" Please take a look at the TRF...

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Titles, Surname and Nationality of the Greek Royal Family, Part 2, 2024 -

Would there be any practical difference? If it is not recognized by the state you are a citizen of, there seems to be no practical difference between between being a citizen or not because they were treated by the state as if they weren't citizens (until they would comply). One practical...

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Nobody is compelled to agree with every decision taken by a monarch. meeralakshmi was not questioning the facts of what was announced in 2019, she was expressing her opinion about it, as we are all entitled to do.

The criticisms of King Carl XVI Gustaf’s 2019 decision have been much more restrained and courteous compared to the heated attacks which some people directed at, say, Queen Margrethe II or King Charles III for the title-slimming decisions they made or considered making.

I suppose King Carl XVI Gustaf's reforms were less controversial because he allowed all of his grandchidren to keep the prefix Prince/Princess and a ducal title, merely taking away their style of Royal Highness.

In Denmark, Prince Joachim's children were not only stripped of the titular dignity of Prince/Princess, but, from their point of view, were forced to change their "surname" from "of Denmark" to "of Monpezat". I recall that both Joachim/ Marie and Nikolai made a big deal of this alleged forced "name change".

On the other hand, the point about Carl Philip's and Madeleine's children not being able to share their titles with their spouses and children, maybe it is not such a radical change after all. Under normal circumstances, I would expect that the King (or his successor) would not seek the government's consent to a marriage of CP's or Madeleine's chidren. That means they would be excluded from the line of succession together with the descendants of the marriage, which traditionally meant in Sweden that they would lose their royal titles and, obviously, could not pass them on to their children or spouses anyway.

 

[meeralakshmi]

You'll just have to accept the fact that according to what was communicated in 2019 no titles are going to be shared with the spouses and children of the seven Bernadotte grandchildren. Basta.

As you said we can't be sure that Victoria may not decide to do something different a couple decades or so into the future when her nieces and nephews get married. As TM said we are all free to voice our opinions before that happens.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I do wonder how committed King Carl XVI Gustaf was to reducing the number of titled descendants. Naturally, he must have had some interest in doing it, since he had the Marshal of the Realm state that the cadet-branch grandchildren would not share their titles with their spouses and descendants. However, the King omitted any mention of those plans in the written announcements on the reform and in the formal document he signed.

There must be some reason King Carl XVI Gustaf chose not to put the title-restriction plan in writing and merely left it as a rather trivial comment in the Marshal’s press conference (a comment which received very little notice outside of places like TRF).

For anyone who either has not yet read it or would like to reread it, here is the text of the announcement of the 2019 reform (a translation follows).

Förändringar inom Kungl. Huset

Måndagen den 7 oktober fattade H.M. Konungen beslut om vilka av Kungafamiljens medlemmar som ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset.

www.kungahuset.se

7 oktober 2019
Förändringar inom Kungl. Huset


Måndagen den 7 oktober fattade H.M. Konungen beslut om vilka av Kungafamiljens medlemmar som ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset.

Syftet med Kungens beslut är att tydliggöra Statschefens uppdrag som företrädare för Sverige och avgränsa den krets av medlemmar i Kungl. Familjen som ska förväntas ha offentliga åtaganden på Kungens uppdrag.

Det är H.M. Konungen och H.K.H. Kronprinsessan som, tillsammans med H.M. Drottningen och H.K.H. Prins Daniel, är Sveriges främsta representanter inom landet och gentemot andra stater. När H.K.H. Prinsessan Estelle nått vuxen ålder väntas även hon företräda landet.


Beslutet i korthet

Beslutet innebär i korthet att Prins Alexander, Prins Gabriel, Prinsessan Leonore, Prins Nicolas och Prinsessan Adrienne inte längre ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset och inte längre ha ställning som kungliga högheter. De behåller dock sina titlar som prins/prinsessa respektive hertig/hertiginna.

I beslutet ligger att dessa barn i framtiden inte förväntas tas i anspråk för sådana officiella uppdrag som ankommer på Statschefen eller på annat sätt knyter an till statschefsämbetet.


Privatpersoner

Barnen kommer härigenom mer att betraktas som privatpersoner. De kommer inte att ha de begränsningar vad avser att ta anställning eller bedriva näring som normalt är förknippat med kungliga personer som företräder Sverige. Det innebär också att de inte kan förväntas få sina levnadsomkostnader i någon utsträckning täckta av riksdagens anslag till H.M. Konungen.​

Translation

7 October 2019
Changes in the Royal House

On Monday, October 7, H.M. the King issued a decision on which members of the Royal Family shall belong to the Royal House.

The purpose of the King’s decision is to clarify the duties of the Head of State as representative of Sweden and to define the circle of members of the Royal Family who are expected to perform official duties on behalf of the King.

It is H.M. the King and H.R.H. the Crown Princess who, together with H.M. the Queen and H.R.H. Prince Daniel, are Sweden’s highest representatives within the country and vis-à-vis other states. When H.R.H. Princess Estelle comes of age, she is also expected to represent the country.


Summary of the decision

The decision, in short, means that Prince Alexander, Prince Gabriel, Princess Leonore, Prince Nicolas and Princess Adrienne will no longer belong to the Royal House and will no longer have the status of Royal Highnesses. They, however, retain their titles as Prince/Princess and Duke/Duchess respectively.

The decision means that these children, in the future, will not be called upon to perform any official duties incumbent on the Head of State or related to the function of the Head of State.


Private persons

The children will thereby become regarded more as private persons. They will not have the limitations on accepting employment or conducting business that are normally applied to the royal persons who represent Sweden. This also means that they cannot expect to have their living expenses covered by any extent by the Parliament’s appanage to H.M. the King.​

 

[meeralakshmi]

I do wonder how committed King Carl XVI Gustaf was to reducing the number of titled descendants. Naturally, he must have had some interest in doing it, since he had the Marshal of the Realm state that the cadet-branch grandchildren would not share their titles with their spouses and descendants. However, the King omitted any mention of those plans in the written announcements on the reform and in the formal document he signed.

There must be some reason King Carl XVI Gustaf chose not to put the title-restriction plan in writing and merely left it as a rather trivial comment in the Marshal’s press conference (a comment which received very little notice outside of places like TRF).

For anyone who either has not yet read it or would like to reread it, here is the text of the announcement of the 2019 reform (a translation follows).

Förändringar inom Kungl. Huset

Måndagen den 7 oktober fattade H.M. Konungen beslut om vilka av Kungafamiljens medlemmar som ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset.

www.kungahuset.se

7 oktober 2019​

Förändringar inom Kungl. Huset​

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Måndagen den 7 oktober fattade H.M. Konungen beslut om vilka av Kungafamiljens medlemmar som ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset.​

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Syftet med Kungens beslut är att tydliggöra Statschefens uppdrag som företrädare för Sverige och avgränsa den krets av medlemmar i Kungl. Familjen som ska förväntas ha offentliga åtaganden på Kungens uppdrag.​

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Det är H.M. Konungen och H.K.H. Kronprinsessan som, tillsammans med H.M. Drottningen och H.K.H. Prins Daniel, är Sveriges främsta representanter inom landet och gentemot andra stater. När H.K.H. Prinsessan Estelle nått vuxen ålder väntas även hon företräda landet.​

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Beslutet i korthet​

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Beslutet innebär i korthet att Prins Alexander, Prins Gabriel, Prinsessan Leonore, Prins Nicolas och Prinsessan Adrienne inte längre ska tillhöra Kungl. Huset och inte längre ha ställning som kungliga högheter. De behåller dock sina titlar som prins/prinsessa respektive hertig/hertiginna.​

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I beslutet ligger att dessa barn i framtiden inte förväntas tas i anspråk för sådana officiella uppdrag som ankommer på Statschefen eller på annat sätt knyter an till statschefsämbetet.​

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Privatpersoner​

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Barnen kommer härigenom mer att betraktas som privatpersoner. De kommer inte att ha de begränsningar vad avser att ta anställning eller bedriva näring som normalt är förknippat med kungliga personer som företräder Sverige. Det innebär också att de inte kan förväntas få sina levnadsomkostnader i någon utsträckning täckta av riksdagens anslag till H.M. Konungen.​

Translation

7 October 2019​

Changes in the Royal House​

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On Monday, October 7, H.M. the King issued a decision on which members of the Royal Family shall belong to the Royal House.​

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The purpose of the King’s decision is to clarify the duties of the Head of State as representative of Sweden and to define the circle of members of the Royal Family who are expected to perform official duties on behalf of the King.​

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It is H.M. the King and H.R.H. the Crown Princess who, together with H.M. the Queen and H.R.H. Prince Daniel, are Sweden’s highest representatives within the country and vis-à-vis other states. When H.R.H. Princess Estelle comes of age, she is also expected to represent the country.​

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Summary of the decision​

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The decision, in short, means that Prince Alexander, Prince Gabriel, Princess Leonore, Prince Nicolas and Princess Adrienne will no longer belong to the Royal House and will no longer have the status of Royal Highnesses. They, however, retain their titles as Prince/Princess and Duke/Duchess respectively.​

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The decision means that these children, in the future, will not be called upon to perform any official duties incumbent on the Head of State or related to the function of the Head of State.​

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Private persons​

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The children will thereby become regarded more as private persons. They will not have the limitations on accepting employment or conducting business that are normally applied to the royal persons who represent Sweden. This also means that they cannot expect to have their living expenses covered by any extent by the Parliament’s appanage to H.M. the King.​

Maybe it wasn't completely his idea and he doesn't intend for it to be set in stone? Hopefully that means that Victoria will reconsider what to do when her nieces and nephews get married. It doesn't make sense for there to be princes and princesses with ducal titles for perpetuity but I think Victoria would understand that when you marry someone with a title you share that title. In my opinion the grandchildren of the monarch should get titles but it can end there (like in Belgium and the UK). I can't imagine Oscar would be happy about being the son of the queen but his kids would be plain Mr. and Miss.

On the subject of sharing titles I wonder if Victoria will possibly share her style of Her Majesty with Daniel when she becomes queen now that the Swedish monarchy has gotten more progressive (absolute primogeniture, giving duchies to princesses, giving titles to children of princesses, and allowing husbands of princesses to share their non-heir titles). The only other male consort of Sweden received the title of prince consort so we can count on Daniel at least receiving that.

 

[Somebody]

It’s interesting how CP, Madeleine and Oscar are left in limbo in this announcement. They neither belong to the highest representatives nor to those that will not be called upon to perform royal duties. However, Madeleine’s recent comment indicated that she interpreted this announcement as a change in her position as well.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I forgot to mention that in addition to the longer announcement, there was a shorter press release issued on the same day. This did mention Carl Philip and Madeleine, albeit without extracting them from limbo:

Communiqué on changes to The Royal House

His Majesty The King has decided on changes to The Royal House. The purpose of these changes is to establish which members of The Royal Family may be expected to perform official duties incumbent on the Head of State or related to the function of the Head of State.

His Majesty The King has decided that the children of Their Royal Highnesses Prince Carl Philip and Princess Sofia, and the children of Her Royal Highness Princess Madeleine and Mr Christopher O’Neill will no longer be members of The Royal House.

Prince Alexander, Prince Gabriel, Princess Leonore, Prince Nicolas and Princess Adrienne will continue to be members of The Royal Family. However, they will no longer enjoy the style of Royal Highness and, in the future, will not be expected to perform duties incumbent on the Head of State.

Prince Alexander (Duke of Södermanland), Prince Gabriel (Duke of Dalarna), Princess Leonore (Duchess of Gotland), Prince Nicolas (Duke of Ångermanland) and Princess Adrienne (Duchess of Blekinge) will retain their titles of Duke and Duchess previously granted by His Majesty.

His Majesty The King and Her Royal Highness The Crown Princess are, together with Her Majesty The Queen and His Royal Highness Prince Daniel, Sweden’s highest representatives within the Realm and vis-à-vis other States.

Their Royal Highnesses Prince Carl Philip and Princess Sofia, and Her Royal Highness Princess Madeleine will continue their work in the non-profit foundations and organisations which they have founded or in which they are involved. In addition, they will perform official duties to the extent decided by His Majesty.

OFFICE OF THE MARSHAL OF THE REALM

7 October 2019

Fredrik Wersäll
Marshal of the Realm​

English
Swedish



Also on the same day, the Marshal of the Realm said in an interview with a news program:

– Man kan se det så att vår kronprinsessa, tronföljaren, växer alltmer in i sin roll som blivande statschef och i de utpräglade statschefsuppgifterna. Officiella besök utomlands, deltagande i Riksmötets öppnande och sådant koncentreras alltmer till henne. Och det innebär att syskonen allt eftersom tiden går kan få lite mindre centrala uppgifter.

– Det betyder också, på sikt, att de begränsningar som det innebär att man har kungliga uppdrag – där det är av särskilt plikt att betona oberoendet – de begränsningarna kanske kan mjukas upp.​

Translation:

“You can see that our Crown Princess, the heir to the throne, is increasingly growing into her role as a future head of state and the distinct duties associated with the head of state. Official visits abroad, participation in the opening of Parliament and such are increasingly concentrated on her. And that means as time passes, the duties assigned to the siblings may become a little less central.

“It also means that in time, the limitations associated with having royal duties – in regards to which we have a special responsibility to emphasize independence – those limitations may be loosened.”​

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