The Princess of Wales Jewels 2: January 2025 -


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PrincessofEurope said:
I have wondered but then I think we would have seen it by now and it's so big and iconic. Maybe leave that in the vaults or restore it to the original form of the brooch
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I don't actually know who currently owns it William or Harry!
 
The Duchess of Sussex has a limited access to historic family jewels, so her options on what to wear are more limited too. Had Harry been the owner I imagine we would have seen it on his wife by now. Ergo, I do not think the sapphire choker is with him.
 
Marengo said:
The pointy thing on top of the diamond clasp always makes me fear it will push into the neck.

Pearl necklaces in general are not often worn anymore, let alone chokers. We seldom see any of the younger queens with them, even though they are older than the Pss of Wales. On [European] women in general it is seldom worn by somebody under 70 years old. It is good to see Catherine using them.
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What is wrong with wearing something you like and has meaning regardless of whether it is in fashion.
 
Marengo said:
The Duchess of Sussex has a limited access to historic family jewels, so her options on what to wear are more limited too. Had Harry been the owner I imagine we would have seen it on his wife by now. Ergo, I do not think the sapphire choker is with him.
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I concur, if Harry had the choker, we would have seen it on Meghan by now.
I suspect Catherine will wear it at some stage, when she is ready for it.
 
The Princess has worn some large statement necklaces in the past, so I am quite optimistic we will see this choker one day. There’s so much choice and currently not that many evening occasions to wear these kind of jewels. I guess when the children are a little older .
 
Elly C said:
The Princess has worn some large statement necklaces in the past, so I am quite optimistic we will see this choker one day. There’s so much choice and currently not that many evening occasions to wear these kind of jewels. I guess when the children are a little older .
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And often so has chosen not to wear necklaces for Evening Events. I think she has not worn one for all State/Evening Events since the accession of the King.
 
Stefan said:
And often so has chosen not to wear necklaces for Evening Events. I think she has not worn one for all State/Evening Events since the accession of the King.
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That is correct, Catherine has not worn one of the great necklaces for a state banquet in the current reign. That said, she has only attended state banquets for visits from South Africa and South Korea since Charles became King.
 
muriel said:
That is correct, Catherine has not worn one of the great necklaces for a state banquet in the current reign. That said, she has only attended state banquets for visits from South Africa and South Korea since Charles became King.
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But also 2 diplomatic receptions and one white tie Wedding gala abroad. So that makes 5 white tie appearances for which no necklace has been worn. Hope that does not become the Norm.
 
muriel said:
Or a black tie event like the BAFTA.
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That is what i'm saying for a long time, unfortunately the Princess ignores us and mostly goes sans necklace fort Events like that
 
I mentioned before but I'd prefer to see if returned to the original form of the brooch - I believe Diana wore it a few times like this.

I am pretty sure that this choker/brooch combo is in the vaults and William's - Harry does not seem to have inherited any of the big pieces.


One of Diana's pieces I would love to see again - the emerald earrings and bracelet from Charles they are stunning but as Catherine has already worn her own statement emerald pieces I am not sure she will wear these
 
Saturday 15th March - new earrings at the Wales v England Six nations game in Cardiff


Shyla - she has the style in pearl, Saturday's were the lapis style


Monday 17th March - St Patrick's day parade - repeat Kiki McDonough earrings
 
Ghost said:
I think it belongs to the monarch and that it was on loan? I am not sure, though.
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The Sapphire and diamond pearl choker - the original sapphire and diamond centre was a brooch and a gift from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother on the occasion of Diana's engagement or wedding. Diana then later set into a pearl choker, therefore I believe it will have been a personal item and not property of the late Queen/monarchy
 
muriel said:
I do like these green Kiki earrings, and it is good to see them being used again. If I am not mistaken, she first wore them in New Delhi to meet the Prime Minister.
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She has a large Kiki collection but in the last few years they have gone out of favour for some more affordable high street pieces on engagements. The collection in general was such a go to piece for events
 
PrincessofEurope said:
The Sapphire and diamond pearl choker - the original sapphire and diamond centre was a brooch and a gift from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother on the occasion of Diana's engagement or wedding. Diana then later set into a pearl choker, therefore I believe it will have been a personal item and not property of the late Queen/monarchy
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Just for discussion. I am not saying this is correct, but she was gifted it as Princess of Wales or about to be. Could this mean that it remains within the family vaults as jewels for the POW, maybe even in time George’s wife.
 
Hallo girl said:
Just for discussion. I am not saying this is correct, but she was gifted it as Princess of Wales or about to be. Could this mean that it remains within the family vaults as jewels for the POW, maybe even in time George’s wife.
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Yes it will be in the vaults surely, my point that I was trying to convey was that it originally was a personal gift to Diana and not owned by the Crown/a loan from QEII therefore it now will now be owned by William or Harry and they can do with it as they wish. It was never the property of the late Queen but it would be nice to see it in future generations as you say maybe wait for a future wife of George.

This is in contrast to Queen Mary's Cambridge Emerald choker which was a lifetime to Diana from QEII and returned to the property of the Crown after Diana's death and has been worn by Kate
 
Hallo girl said:
Just for discussion. I am not saying this is correct, but she was gifted it as /Princess of Wales or about to be. Could this mean that it remains within the /family vaults as jewels for the POW, maybe even in time George’s wife.
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Theoretically yes, but at the time the gift was made, these kinds of items were treated as personal gifts and therefore the property of the recipient, especially since it was a gift from a family member (a wedding gift to Diana from QEQM) versus a gift from a foreign ruler / foreign country.

I don't recall the sapphire having any known provenance prior to it being gifted to Diana. If Diana's engagement ring was treated a Diana's personal property which was then inherited by her sons,* I doubt if the necklace would be treated differently.

I do suspect that in this day and age that these kinds of jewels are lifetime loans to be returned to the crown upon the death of the recipient, so for example, Kate's sapphire engagement ring is not hers to dispose of how she pleases and will get returned to the vaults upon her death.

* William or Harry or both of them as part of a pool of items for them to decide how to divvy up.
 
Queen Claude said:
Theoretically yes, but at the time the gift was made, these kinds of items were treated as personal gifts and therefore the property of the recipient, especially since it was a gift from a family member (a wedding gift to Diana from QEQM) versus a gift from a foreign ruler / foreign country.

I don't recall the sapphire having any known provenance prior to it being gifted to Diana. If Diana's engagement ring was treated a Diana's personal property which was then inherited by her sons,* I doubt if the necklace would be treated differently.

I do suspect that in this day and age that these kinds of jewels are lifetime loans to be returned to the crown upon the death of the recipient, so for example, Kate's sapphire engagement ring is not hers to dispose of how she pleases and will get returned to the vaults upon her death.

* William or Harry or both of them as part of a pool of items for them to decide how to divvy up.
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I am not sure why Harry would have a say if it is being returned to the vaults.
*****I have just noticed your asterisk further up, so ignore this post*** Using your phone for this leads to mid understanding.
 
PrincessofEurope said:
She has a large Kiki collection but in the last few years they have gone out of favour for some more affordable high street pieces on engagements. The collection in general was such a go to piece for events
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I concur. The Kiki's were much used for the first decade or so of Catherine's royal career, but seem to be used a lot less these days.
 
Does Kate have to ask Camilla or Charles for permission to wear any of the jewels? Or can Kate wear certain jewels at her ow digression when she needs to? I just had the impressions the Camilla rules on wearing of jewels, that Camilla is stingy on what is worn. Thanks in advance.
 
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