The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2: Sep 2022 -

[Marengo]

Well, that will cetainly lead to questions about other stories. I am sorry for Mr. Munns, the busdriver, who has been dragged into this story. I can see why he would want to clear his name.

 

[Queen Claude]

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says​

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.
Saturday 26 April 2025 02:26, UK

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.

news.sky.com

Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide

Other Epstein victims credited Giuffre with giving them the courage to speak out.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[meeralakshmi]

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says​

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.
Saturday 26 April 2025 02:26, UK

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.

news.sky.com

Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide

Other Epstein victims credited Giuffre with giving them the courage to speak out.

www.nbcnews.com

Absolutely breaks my heart, may she rest in peace She deserved so much better, I hate that she lost all hope instead of trying to make the best of the life she had left after all the abuse she suffered.

 

[doro]

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says​

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.
Saturday 26 April 2025 02:26, UK

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault, has died, her family says

Virginia Giuffre's family has told Sky's US partner network NBC News she died by suicide in Neergabby, Australia.

news.sky.com

Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide

Other Epstein victims credited Giuffre with giving them the courage to speak out.

www.nbcnews.com

Oh, Lord! Awful news

 

[Curryong]

This is quite dreadfully sad. Like others I hoped that Virginia would find long-standing happiness and stability after falling into the grasp of those creatures Epstein and Ghislaine. Unfortunately that was not to be.
May she rest in peace now.

 

[Hallo girl]

it would appear she was estranged from her husband and as a result her children, it is sad how desperate she felt.

 

[Roslyn]

This is indeed very sad. She must have felt unbearably alone and lost.

 

[Alisa]

Horrible news! May she rest in peace

 

[Stefanie]

Her life Story is very obscurely. Wonder whether her family is involved in her problems....
Why did she get to know Epstein anyway?

 

[Alison H]

Her life Story is very obscurely. Wonder whether her family is involved in her problems....
Why did she get to know Epstein anyway?

According to the BBC article, she was introduced to him by Robert Maxwell, although it doesn't say how she met Maxwell.

What a sad story.

 

[carlota]

I’m saddened by the story - she had been through so much and was still so young - but I’m also confused. She said some time ago she had 4 days to live after the crash, but the police said the crash was “minor”. But then she died not because of crash complications but by suicide. It’s all very strange.

 

[shady lady]

I’m saddened by the story - she had been through so much and was still so young - but I’m also confused. She said some time ago she had 4 days to live after the crash, but the police said the crash was “minor”. But then she died not because of crash complications but by suicide. It’s all very strange.

Yes it is a very sad story. She was obviously struggling very badly. I hope she is at peace now.

 

[sophie25]

Yes it is a very sad story. She was obviously struggling very badly. I hope she is at peace now.

I’m saddened by the story - she had been through so much and was still so young - but I’m also confused. She said some time ago she had 4 days to live after the crash, but the police said the crash was “minor”. But then she died not because of crash complications but by suicide. It’s all very strange.

Yes the second very odd death in this saga. Prince Andrew makes me sick to look at him.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I’m saddened by the story - she had been through so much and was still so young - but I’m also confused. She said some time ago she had 4 days to live after the crash, but the police said the crash was “minor”. But then she died not because of crash complications but by suicide. It’s all very strange.

The sad news actually provides a plausible (though not confirmed) explanation for why she lied about the crash (as the police and bus driver confirmed). Her fabricated story of serious injuries may have been her way to be open about the fact that she was expecting to end her life soon, without admitting that she was planning on suicide (with all the possible consequences such an admission would have).

Ms. Giuffre’s family’s announcement specifically blames "the toll of abuse" from "being a lifelong victim of sexual abuse and sex trafficking" for her death. Sadly, it seems that even winning a substantial settlement, as well as a public acknowledgement of her suffering, from her abuser-trafficker’s best-known enabler was not enough to overcome it.

Unfortunately, thanks to that British royal element, I suspect her grieving family will be swamped with unwanted theories regarding the cause of her death, despite their certainty and transparency.

 

[hereditarytitles]

In hindsight, I see her accident with the photos differently. It could have been a cry for help that was perhaps not properly understood. I'm personally sorry that I suspected some kind of drama staged by her.
However, I don't believe that her very sad suicide had only to do with the trauma of her youth. There are other factors at play. She lived separately from her husband and children and was even banned from the house. She could actually have led a relatively good life with the money she got back then. According to reports, that was the case for a while, but she probably couldn't cope with the separation from her husband and children. Unfortunately, she lost her strength and assertion with her new trouble (her marriage breaking down and the consequences that she could not see her children anymore)

 

[Luc122]

I want to provide another perspective for those who say she could have left this life and speculation behind- her experience is so vastly different than what many of us go through, its an outlier and for any one of us that lead relatively normal lives we cannot nor should we try to fathom the depths of suffering a woman like her has undergone. The powerful men that forced her into this life are not the sort of men that are forgiving - keep in mind this unfortunate story began in Mar-a-Lago

Virginia Giuffre approached by Ghislaine Maxwell at President Donald Trump's Palm Beach club

 

[carlota]

The sad news actually provides a plausible (though not confirmed) explanation for why she lied about the crash (as the police and bus driver confirmed). Her fabricated story of serious injuries may have been her way to be open about the fact that she was expecting to end her life soon, without admitting that she was planning on suicide (with all the possible consequences such an admission would have).

Ms. Giuffre’s family’s announcement specifically blames "the toll of abuse" from "being a lifelong victim of sexual abuse and sex trafficking" for her death. Sadly, it seems that even winning a substantial settlement, as well as a public acknowledgement of her suffering, from her abuser-trafficker’s best-known enabler was not enough to overcome it.

Unfortunately, thanks to that British royal element, I suspect her grieving family will be swamped with unwanted theories regarding the cause of her death, despite their certainty and transparency.

It’s a possible explanation that she used the “crash” to pave the way for what was to come. Overall it’s quite sad really. She leaves behind two kids. I believe her relationship with her ex husband was also rocky and she had a restraining order in place (when allegedly he was the one who was abusive towards her), so the question marks keep arising.

 

[Hallo girl]

It’s a possible explanation that she used the “crash” to pave the way for what was to come. Overall it’s quite sad really. She leaves behind two kids. I believe her relationship with her ex husband was also rocky and she had a restraining order in place (when allegedly he was the one who was abusive towards her), so the question marks keep arising.

I am not sure of the full story but why had she lost access to her children if the husband was the abuser.
I also wonder if going public with her accusations did her any good. Was she put under pressure to go public? Were others making money out of the whole scenario.
Did the publicity put her under too much pressure/ stress.

 

[sophie25]

I am not sure of the full story but why had she lost access to her children if the husband was the abuser.
I also wonder if going public with her accusations did her any good. Was she put under pressure to go public? Were others making money out of the whole scenario.
Did the publicity put her under too much pressure/ stress.

No I think she was right to tell about what happened. Ultimately she didn't get justice as Epstein is dead but a light was definitely shone upon what a lot of the great and the good get up to and I think that matters. A girl who came from nothing ultimately forced a member of the British Royal family to defend himself against her accusations publicly and not only did he expose himself dreadfully in a TV interview but he humiliating paid her 12 million pounds in the aftermath. Can the hugely rich and powerful ever see true justice for serious crime, maybe not, but I think because of Virginia Guiffre some might think twice about their behaviour going forward, well one can but hope.

 

[Hallo girl]

No I think she was right to tell about what happened. Ultimately she didn't get justice as Epstein is dead but a light was definitely shone upon what a lot of the great and the good get up to and I think that matters. A girl who came from nothing ultimately forced a member of the British Royal family to defend himself against her accusations publicly and not only did he expose himself dreadfully in a TV interview but he humiliating paid her 12 million pounds in the aftermath. Can the hugely rich and powerful ever see true justice for serious crime, maybe not, but I think because of Virginia Guiffre some might think twice about their behaviour going forward, well one can but hope.

I am not disputing any of that but what stress /pressure did that put her under, something went wrong in her marriage/ children. The lawyers were not doing any of that for nothing , parading her outside courts etc.

 

[Curryong]

Being in a high profile case does put people under pressure. However Virginia did what she thought was right after many years of reflection.

I’m not sure Virginia was paraded anywhere. She spoke outside the courts to journalists and TV media because she wanted to get her point across that victims should not remain silent.

We don’t know why her marriage went wrong, nor is it any of our business.

 

[Hallo girl]

Being in a high profile case does put people under pressure. However Virginia did what she thought was right after many years of reflection.

I’m not sure Virginia was paraded anywhere. She spoke outside the courts to journalists and TV media because she wanted to get her point across that victims should not remain silent.

We don’t know why her marriage went wrong, nor is it any of our business.

I am not taking issue with anything she said, I just have concerns as to whether she was in the right frame of mind to do what she did, You are correct none of the marriage issues are any of our business. As for the other stuff, it takes a brave person to stand outside a court etc etc, to make accusations and make a stand against the elite, I just hope that she was comfortable in what she did and was not put under undue pressure to
' perform'

 

[sophie25]

I am not disputing any of that but what stress /pressure did that put her under, something went wrong in her marriage/ children. The lawyers were not doing any of that for nothing , parading her outside courts etc.

No I'm not disputing that, what had happened to her kept with her all of her life. But if you think about it, if she doesn't tell then she stores it up and the perpetrators suffer no consequences and if she does tell that causes its own problems. It's all just terrible and from a royal point of view I will never understand why Prince Andrew's had to become best friends with heinous people like Epstein and Maxwell in the first place. He actually photographed Maxwell and Kevin Spacey on thrones at BP, it is mind bogling! Maxwell, at least, was a colossal pervert and a trafficker of underage girls and will probably see out the rest of her life in prison and yet she was the person Andrew kept emphasising was his true friend in the Panorama interview as a substitute for Epstein. Look, I can imagine Charles looking at the pressure on the Monarchy when Diana died and the hatred the public had for Camilla and thinking that everything blows over eventually so Andrew can gradually come back but this is bigger than Andrew. The Epstein scandal will now be historical and will be discussed decades from now. If Charles wants to let Andrew come to strictly private occasions then fine but I always feel that Andrew gets the impression that after any event like this his comeback is around the corner.

 

[Hallo girl]

No I'm not disputing that, what had happened to her kept with her all of her life. But if you think about it, if she doesn't tell then she stores it up and the perpetrators suffer no consequences and if she does tell that causes its own problems. It's all just terrible and from a royal point of view I will never understand why Prince Andrew's had to become best friends with heinous people like Epstein and Maxwell in the first place. He actually photographed Maxwell and Kevin Spacey on thrones at BP, it is mind bogling! Maxwell, at least, was a colossal pervert and a trafficker of underage girls and will probably see out the rest of her life in prison and yet she was the person Andrew kept emphasising was his true friend in the Panorama interview as a substitute for Epstein. Look, I can imagine Charles looking at the pressure on the Monarchy when Diana died and the hatred the public had for Camilla and thinking that everything blows over eventually so Andrew can gradually come back but this is bigger than Andrew. The Epstein scandal will now be historical and will be discussed decades from now. If Charles wants to let Andrew come to strictly private occasions then fine but I always feel that Andrew gets the impression that after any event like this his comeback is around the corner.

I am not interested in Andrew I am thinking of this woman ,the stress she went through. that is all,

 

[duke of poliganc]

No I'm not disputing that, what had happened to her kept with her all of her life. But if you think about it, if she doesn't tell then she stores it up and the perpetrators suffer no consequences and if she does tell that causes its own problems. It's all just terrible and from a royal point of view I will never understand why Prince Andrew's had to become best friends with heinous people like Epstein and Maxwell in the first place. He actually photographed Maxwell and Kevin Spacey on thrones at BP, it is mind bogling! Maxwell, at least, was a colossal pervert and a trafficker of underage girls and will probably see out the rest of her life in prison and yet she was the person Andrew kept emphasising was his true friend in the Panorama interview as a substitute for Epstein. Look, I can imagine Charles looking at the pressure on the Monarchy when Diana died and the hatred the public had for Camilla and thinking that everything blows over eventually so Andrew can gradually come back but this is bigger than Andrew. The Epstein scandal will now be historical and will be discussed decades from now. If Charles wants to let Andrew come to strictly private occasions then fine but I always feel that Andrew gets the impression that after any event like this his comeback is around the corner.

The list of the people who considered Epstein as their friend is so long and filled with a lot of name that are more important than Andrew on the contrary Andrew is the least important name of those people, for royalty the Crown Princess of Norway also considered Epstein as her friend, so did a couple of USA presidents, Andrew was the the easy target to file a case against, other names would have lawyers drawing her in court cases the minute she just mention their name not just accuse them!

 

[HRHHermione]

Andrew was the the easy target to file a case against, other names would have lawyers drawing her in court cases the minute she just mention their name not just accuse them!

I think we can be quite sure the Duke of York had access to quality legal representation. Unfortunately for him, he was also photographed with Ms. Giuffre when she was an underage girl with the woman who is now serving 20 years imprisonment for child sex trafficking in the photo with them.

If he was an “easy target,” it was a combination of that photo and his own absolutely terrible judgement.

 

[An Ard Ri]

The entire story surrounding the late Ms Giuffre is so tragically sad.
A BBC article on the death of Virginia Giuffre and how it leaves unanswered questions
Virginia Giuffre's untimely death leaves unanswered questions

 

[Tatiana Maria]

From a Find Out Now survey commissioned by the Daily Mail - whose writeup unfortunately omits important information such as the margin of error:

Do you think Prince Andrew was culpable for Virginia Giuffre’s suicide?

Yes 62%
No 38%​

Most say strip Harry and Meghan of their HRH titles after interview

The Duke of Sussex caused widespread disbelief when he complained in a BBC interview that his father 'won't speak to me'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Hallo girl]

From a Find Out Now survey commissioned by the Daily Mail - whose writeup unfortunately omits important information such as the margin of error:

Do you think Prince Andrew was culpable for Virginia Giuffre’s suicide?​

​

Yes 62%​

No 38%​

Most say strip Harry and Meghan of their HRH titles after interview

The Duke of Sussex caused widespread disbelief when he complained in a BBC interview that his father 'won't speak to me'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I personally think it is too complex a situation to be answered in 1 question.

 

[Lori138]

Maybe I am in the minority, but I do not feel Andrew is culpable in any way for Ms. Guiffre's suicide. She seems to have made a good life for herself until something went wrong with her marriage, so wrong that there was a restraining order against her and she could not even see her children.

Mental health issues at play here, but Andrew was not the only (supposed) man to have had relations with a teenage Virginia. So why all the blame on him?