The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2: Sep 2022 -

[Durham]

I'm astonished that Epstein was allowed to go to Buckingham Palace after his conviction.

Andrew invited Epstein to Buckingham Palace after child sex offender’s release, files show

Emails between former prince and financier revealed in latest tranche of released documents

www.theguardian.com

I just don't understand why no one said anything to AMW. BP is state property.

There needs to be some sort of contract or code of conduct for relatives of the monarch who work for the state.

 

[Angela Cliffe - Stuarts]

I'm astonished that Epstein was allowed to go to Buckingham Palace after his conviction.

I just don't understand why no one said anything to AMW. BP is state property.

There needs to be some sort of contract or code of conduct for relatives of the monarch who work for the state.

It's disgusting and left people open to risk.

It appears somehow the path was smoothed open for him and who ever was involved in that, I believe, needs to be questioned by the police or Parliament.

 

[Durham]

The police may well be implicated.

There are reports in two tabloids (Sun, Mirror) that the names of AMW's female "guests" were not logged as per palace protocal. At AMW's direction.

Behind a paywall but the headline reads AMW brought someone into BP that he referred to as "Mrs Windsor":

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/13/andrew-brought-epstein-victim-buckingham-palace/

Institutional failings, from the Royal Household to the Dept of Trade & HMGov to the Met Police?

 

[Lord-of-the-Manor]

^^^
Here's an archive of The Telegraph article

Andrew ‘brought Epstein victim he called Mrs Windsor to Buckingham Pa…

archived 13 Feb 2026 19:44:52 UTC

archive.ph

 

[tommy100]

IMO the sending on of official documents and information is going to cause huge problems for Andrew. Up until now he has been accused of being friend with Epstein when he knew he was convicted of sexual crimes with a minor (awful, but not a crime itself) and having sex with Virginia Giuffre for which it is very much a "she said, he said" situation and which even given the age difference itself wasn't a crime unless it was forced and Andrew knew Giuffre was trafficked and forced into it.

With the documents though there is clear evidence in black and white that he did send them on. The most dangerous thing for Andrew is that Lord Mandelson has been accused of similar things in terms of sharing official information and there is and will be huge political pressure to prosecute Mandelson if at all possible (from both the government to prove it is not supporting him and from the opposition which will make hay with any such moves to bring criminal charges) Which leads then to one person being prosecuted for something similar to what Andrew did, then the pressure for all to be treated the same and suddenly we find the former Prince being legally in trouble from his former role. Essentially, Andrew's dealings with Epstein and Giuffre were largely unique to him in many ways (though seemingly tbf some who have had as much to do with Epstein haven't been in the spotlight as much as Andrew), now however his case is almost identical to one that is a huge political issue and which those from all sides have a vested interested in seeing go much further.

As ever, it seems the much lesser crime is the one that might catch them out in the end.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

With the documents though there is clear evidence in black and white that he did send them on. The most dangerous thing for Andrew is that Lord Mandelson has been accused of similar things in terms of sharing official information and there is and will be huge political pressure to prosecute Mandelson if at all possible (from both the government to prove it is not supporting him and from the opposition which will make hay with any such moves to bring criminal charges) Which leads then to one person being prosecuted for something similar to what Andrew did, then the pressure for all to be treated the same and suddenly we find the former Prince being legally in trouble from his former role. Essentially, Andrew's dealings with Epstein and Giuffre were largely unique to him in many ways (though seemingly tbf some who have had as much to do with Epstein haven't been in the spotlight as much as Andrew), now however his case is almost identical to one that is a huge political issue and which those from all sides have a vested interested in seeing go much further.

Not sure whether my comment belongs here or in "Alternate History", but:

From Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor's point of view, it is unlucky for him that he was born a British prince instead of a prince of Denmark or Norway (monarchies which have close historical ties and many similarities to the British monarchy). In the Danish and Norwegian royal houses, a royal in his position would have legal immunity from the criminal and civil courts, unless waived by the King.

(Then again, if British royals did have immunity à la Denmark/Norway, I wonder if the British king and government might have experienced pressure to waive it in Andrew's case.)

 

[Angela Cliffe - Stuarts]

I think the words in Parenthesis would apply. There would be a very serious situation if a member of a reigning family was exempted from facing the law and due process.



Additional edit as I can;t add to an earlier post.
*this may get editied off but the woman that I know mentioned in my above posts remembers that her colleague (X) also spoke of a man (Y) who is in a couple mentioned on these boards and there was a linkedIn connection that she could see through that former colleagues LinkedIn contacts after she connected to him (X) (not realising who the friend Jeffrey was at the time it was before she saw Epstein at her company building). The ex colleague (X) didn't have vast amounts of contacts compared to some. X also said he would try and get Y to come into the company for a meeting but didn't explicitly say with Epstein.

It wasn't anyone mentioned in the title of this thread, it's (Y is from) another closely connected family sometimes discussed here. She had no wish to meet that person (Y) either particularly and had met that person (Y) in a former firm in the same industry when he had also attended meetings as a contact of the firms owners. (Y) was supposedly a friend of (X) according to (X) not just a work contact, who was a friend of Epstein. It's an awful tangle and still bothers her to this day when it crosses her mind and now is all over the news.

 

[Leopoldine]

I would like to thank the members who clarified some things that I was hazy or mistaken about. I had no idea that the security services informed BP about AMW's communiques and activities, yet the Palace did nothing.

I suppose it makes sense, considering Andrew's email to a senior member of HLM's staff Ed Perkins, confidently telling him that he got Virginia's personal info. There was apparently no push-back from Mr. Perkins.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

According to Andrew Lownie, MI6 did know about it and informed Buckingham Palace, who did not wish to act on it.

I would like to thank the members who clarified some things that I was hazy or mistaken about. I had no idea that the security services informed BP about AMW's communiques and activities, yet the Palace did nothing.

It seems no mainstream media outlets have repeated that claim - not even reporting Andrew Lownie's comment qualified with a "Andrew Lownie says ..." disclaimer. That suggests to me that Mr. Lownie has not presented evidence for his claim.

 

[Somebody]

Not sure whether my comment belongs here or in "Alternate History", but:

From Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor's point of view, it is unlucky for him that he was born a British prince instead of a prince of Denmark or Norway (monarchies which have close historical ties and many similarities to the British monarchy). In the Danish and Norwegian royal houses, a royal in his position would have legal immunity from the criminal and civil courts, unless waived by the King.

(Then again, if British royals did have immunity à la Denmark/Norway, I wonder if the British king and government might have experienced pressure to waive it in Andrew's case.)

I am fully confident that king Charles would have waived immunity. Not so sure about queen Elizabeth though.

 

[tommy100]

It seems no mainstream media outlets have repeated that claim - not even reporting Andrew Lownie's comment qualified with a "Andrew Lownie says ..." disclaimer. That suggests to me that Mr. Lownie has not presented evidence for his claim.

Indeed, as mentioned, even the tabloids having picked this up and ran with it.
Lownie seems to say a lot of things and very adhered to the "even a stuck clock is right twice a day" approach - throw a lot up in the air and when some of that is correct suggest is means everything you've said is.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Indeed, as mentioned, even the tabloids having picked this up and ran with it.

So the tabloids have run Mr. Lownie's claim? Or did you mean to say "not having"?

 

[tommy100]

sorry, typo - the tabloids haven't ran the story, despite using a lot of Lownie's other claims in stories or headlines.

 

[An Ard Ri]

I'm astonished that Epstein was allowed to go to Buckingham Palace after his conviction.

Andrew invited Epstein to Buckingham Palace after child sex offender’s release, files show

Emails between former prince and financier revealed in latest tranche of released documents

www.theguardian.com

I just don't understand why no one said anything to AMW. BP is state property.

There needs to be some sort of contract or code of conduct for relatives of the monarch who work for the state.

Just when you think you have heard and read all on AMW it gets worse ,I firmly think he thought he was unstoppable and above the law!

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The chairman of the House of Commons' Business and Trade Committee revealed that when Parliament (currently in recess) resumes meeting on February 24, his committee will discuss whether to investigate Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor for his conduct while he worked as a trade envoy for the UK.

MPs may investigate Andrew over trade envoy claims

The business committee will discuss whether to "take this investigation forward" when they meet next Tuesday, Byrne says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Posted here as the Sarah Ferguson current events thread is currently closed: Richard Palmer interviewed some friends, and some ex-friends, of Sarah Ferguson who shared their thoughts on her situation and future possibilities.

Fergie could flee her Epstein and money woes for ‘high-end Middle East luxury’

The former Duchess of York has remained out of the public eye since the extent of her friendship with Jeffrey Epstein became public

inews.co.uk

 

[An Ard Ri]

David Boies, a lawyer who represented victims of Jeffrey Epstein has spoken about Andrew's 'obligation' to speak out in Epstein case and says 'He knows a lot'
Personally I think its only a matter of time before we AMW before a court or committee
Virginia Giuffre's lawyer speaks out on Andrew's 'obligation' to speak out in Epstein case: 'He knows a lot'

It also seems that members of the UK’s Parliament may move forward with an investigation into AMW
Members of Parliament May Investigate Former Prince Andrew Over Allegations He Forwarded Government Reports to Epstein

 

[Maryrose]

There was an interesting talk by Andy Hughes on the podcast The News Agents about the RPOs. I always wondered why things were allowed to happen if they were there as protection and many things not reported. What he said was that although the RPOs were told in no uncertain terms that they were police officers first and their duty and loyalty was to the Met but after years, even decades of being with their "principals" the duty and loyalty changed to the person they were minding and the Met was replaced in that role.

 

[victor1319]

although the RPOs were told in no uncertain terms that they were police officers first and their duty and loyalty was to the Met but after years, even decades of being with their "principals" the duty and loyalty changed to the person they were minding and the Met was replaced in that role.

With Met you mean the same Metropolitan Police which hass seen no reason until now to investigate the "amusements" and requests of the former Prince Andrew?

Maybe this was the policy of the police to have a blind eye? I would not be suprised!

 

[Lord-of-the-Manor]

I read an interview one time about the secret service in the United States, it discussed guarding the Presidential family and the agent giving the interview said it's not their responsibility to baby sit individuals in regards to there personal life. They're there to protect them from harm. Maybe RPOs operate in the same manner.

 

[HRHHermione]

I read an interview one time about the secret service in the United States, it discussed guarding the Presidential family and the agent giving the interview said it's not their responsibility to baby sit individuals in regards to there personal life. They're there to protect them from harm. Maybe RPOs operate in the same manner.

That’s different than witnessing crimes being committed though.

 

[TRL]

David Boies, a lawyer who represented victims of Jeffrey Epstein has spoken about Andrew's 'obligation' to speak out in Epstein case and says 'He knows a lot'
Personally I think its only a matter of time before we AMW before a court or committee
Virginia Giuffre's lawyer speaks out on Andrew's 'obligation' to speak out in Epstein case: 'He knows a lot'

When it comes to the House committee, it wouldn't surprise me if they allowed Andrew to submit written answers to a series of questions. I'd be surprised if he actually travelled to the US to testify. It would probably take months of preparation for him to not come across as full of himself if he testified in person.

 

[An Ard Ri]

When it comes to the House committee, it wouldn't surprise me if they allowed Andrew to submit written answers to a series of questions. I'd be surprised if he actually travelled to the US to testify. It would probably take months of preparation for him to not come across as full of himself if he testified in person.

I was referring to a UK Court or committee , his presence at a US one is a different matter for now.
Sir Keir Starmer has said "nobody is above the law" when asked about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
PM Starmer says 'nobody is above the law' over Andrew allegations

York racecourse has removed the Duke of York Stakes name and has renamed it the 'Minster Stakes'
https://www.racingpost.com/news/bri...sors-links-to-epstein-continues-aPYvH3S29Pjq/

 

[wbenson]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/19/police-arrive-andrews-home/

Police have arrived at Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s home in Sandringham.

Six unmarked police cars and around eight plain clothed officers, with one carrying a police-issue laptop, were seen arriving at Wood Farm on the Sandringham estate just after 8am.

An unmarked police car was seen leaving around 30 minutes later, followed by another unmarked police car and then a third car thought to be containing Mr Mountbatten-Windsor’s security.

 

[tommy100]

Andrew has been arrested- BBC reporting- on suspicion of misconduct in public office

 

[An Ard Ri]

Andrew has been arrested- BBC reporting- on suspicion of misconduct in public office

Just seen that on the BBC news
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office, BBC understands

 

[wbenson]

Thames Valley Police Open Investigation into Misconduct in Public Office

As part of the investigation, we have today (19/2) arrested a man in his sixties from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in public office and are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk.

The man remains in police custody at this time.

We will not be naming the arrested man, as per national guidance. Please also remember that this case is now active so care should be taken with any publication to avoid being in contempt of court.

Assistant Chief Constable Oliver Wright said: “Following a thorough assessment, we have now opened an investigation into this allegation of misconduct in public office.

“It is important that we protect the integrity and objectivity of our investigation as we work with our partners to investigate this alleged offence.

“We understand the significant public interest in this case, and we will provide updates at the appropriate time.”

 

[Alison H]

If Andrew was passing on confidential information, which it seems that he has been, then he deserves everything he gets for it. But I do feel sorry for the King, and for Beatrice and Eugenie.

I appreciate that the police have to stick to the rules with their statements, but I think we can all work out that "searching a property in Berkshire" means Royal Lodge.

 

[Darius1]

Such a shocking turn of events. None of this bodes well for the future of our Monarchy.

 

[tommy100]

The "lesser crime" of passing on information to Epstein was always going to get him in the end IMO. It is a much clearer cut case than the "he said, she said" of whether he slept with Giuffre (which wasn't necessarily a crime in itself).