The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2: Sep 2022 -


If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.

Andrew shared confidential information with Epstein as trade envoy, files suggest

From the BBC: (link above)

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor appears to have knowingly shared confidential information with Jeffrey Epstein from his official work as trade envoy in 2010 and 2011, according to material in the latest release of files in the US seen by the BBC.

Emails from the recently-released batch of Epstein files show the former prince passing on reports of visits to Singapore, Hong Kong and Vietnam and confidential details of investment opportunities.
 
I think Andrew will now get caught in the wave of evidence that concerns the whole government, Starmer could fall any day over Peter Mandelson, politician, lobbyist, diplomat, who had his fingers in everything and obviouly leaked state secrets to Epstein, just like Andrew. There will be criminal investigations, for sure.

On the funny side, there is at least one resident of Downing Street above suspicion: Larry the cat
 
New press release from the Prince and Princess of Wales's spokesperson:

"I can confirm The Prince and Princess have been deeply concerned by the continuing revelations.

"Their thoughts remain focused on the victims."


Last week, the Duke of Edinburgh, while at the World Governments Summit in Dubai, answered a journalist's question on how he was "coping" with the fallout from the Epstein files:

"Well, with the best will in the world, I'm not sure this is the audience that is the least bit interested in that. They all came here to listen to education, solving the future, but no, I think it's all really important, always, to remember the victims and who are the victims in all this."

 
I think Andrew will now get caught in the wave of evidence that concerns the whole government, Starmer could fall any day over Peter Mandelson, politician, lobbyist, diplomat, who had his fingers in everything and obviouly leaked state secrets to Epstein, just like Andrew. There will be criminal investigations, for sure.

On the funny side, there is at least one resident of Downing Street above suspicion: Larry the cat

I am sure that you are correct and there is even more unsavoury information to come out which will involve Andrew. It is unusual - very unusual in fact - for any royal to make public pronouncements themselves on controversies involving the BRF. Charles of course was heckled the other day about the AM-W/ Epstein controversy, and I rather fear that there is more of the same to come. When HLM's reign began, she was literally regarded as divine by some of her subjects, believing that she was Queen by the grace of God. The BRF was held in the highest esteem and seen as models of rectitude and beyond reproach. Not any more

There is also gathering resentment over the perceived inequality of wealth. On Saturday evening, on Channel 5 TV there was a programme about the King's residences - or more accurately, his property portfolio, which when totalled together really is enormous. The programme was intended as factual, rather than critical, and I found it absolutely fascinating. Unfortunately to a nation where many people are facing financial difficulties, it seemed a touch insensitive as the Epstein affair has shone a light on AM-W's greed as well as his sexual misbehaviour. What will happen next? For my own part, I wonder if the titles of Beatrice and Eugenie are vulnerable. The sisters did go to visit Epstein after all; they were not children at the time, but young adults capable of some independent thought. Charles, or more pertinently, his advisors, will be trying to damp the Epstein affair as quickly as possible and I fear Beatrice and Eugenie will be an easy sacrifice. I'm worried.
 
Last edited:
There's a clear message coming through from the BRF that "Their thoughts remain focused on the victims."
The emphasis being on the victims!
I am sure this is true. With everything being revealed about Andrew not sure anything being said is going to appease people. Not sure really what people expect them to say.
 
I am sure this is true. With everything being revealed about Andrew not sure anything being said is going to appease people. Not sure really what people expect them to say.
I would like to see royals, regardless of where they are, not constantly being questioned by reporters about the current Epstein scandal. Firstly, they cannot comment on politics, and secondly, they do not want to comment on matters concerning Andrew, who is still his brother. You cannot expect him to publicly disparage his brother. Charles didn't do that either; he simply drew the right conclusions behind the scenes. If royals were to comment publicly on family members, they would be lowering themselves to the level of the Beckhams or other celebrities who air their family conflicts and animosities in the press. What they personally think and feel should remain private.
I think the family was advised in this regard to express their sympathy for the victims, but not to express any personal feelings relating to a family member, even if it has been published, how stupid, unwise and disgusting his sex life has been..
 
So would most people, but the press love to stir it! There've been a few idiots in the crowds shouting out comments during royal visits as well. It's very unfair. Andrew is 65 years old, not a little boy. No-one is responsible for his actions apart from himself.

Meanwhile, this is the latest:

 
I think AMW needs to go abroad. I've thought that for a while.

To my mind the whole Sandringham plan is a big big mistake. Yes it 's a private estate, & yes it's a modest (by royal standards) house, but to the public at large it's Sandringham House, indelibly linked with the brf & the late queen in particular.

If he has any shred of decency left AMW needs to fall on his sword & just go.
 
New statement from the British Royal Household:
"The King has made clear, in words and through unprecedented actions, his profound concern at allegations which continue to come to light in respect of Mr Mountbatten-Windsor's conduct," a Palace spokesman said.
"While the specific claims in question are for Mr Mountbatten-Windsor to address, if we are approached by Thames Valley Police we stand ready to support them as you would expect," he said.
The Buckingham Palace statement says that the King and Queen's "thoughts and sympathies have been, and remain with, the victims of any and all forms of abuse".
 
I am sure this is true. With everything being revealed about Andrew not sure anything being said is going to appease people. Not sure really what people expect them to say.
I agree. I am tired of some people commenting in the press and online saying that the BRF should apologize. Aside from the fact that the BRF is not a monolith, Andrew is the one who should apologize. There is nothing that anyone else can say that will be useful or will satisfy the anti-monarchists, who use every unsavoury detail of this mess to cast aspersions on the whole family and the monarchy.
 
I would like to see royals, regardless of where they are, not constantly being questioned by reporters about the current Epstein scandal. Firstly, they cannot comment on politics, and secondly, they do not want to comment on matters concerning Andrew, who is still his brother. You cannot expect him to publicly disparage his brother. Charles didn't do that either; he simply drew the right conclusions behind the scenes. If royals were to comment publicly on family members, they would be lowering themselves to the level of the Beckhams or other celebrities who air their family conflicts and animosities in the press. What they personally think and feel should remain private.
I think the family was advised in this regard to express their sympathy for the victims, but not to express any personal feelings relating to a family member, even if it has been published, how stupid, unwise and disgusting his sex life has been..
Thanks for this and other BBC articles. Unfortunately, I’ve used up my freebies with them - if anyone has archives of this any other articles, I’d appreciate it. :flowers:
 
I am tired of some people commenting in the press and online saying that the BRF should apologize. Aside from the fact that the BRF is not a monolith, Andrew is the one who should apologize.
I share your thoughts! There is a thing like personal responsibility.

But Andrew is only this much in the spotlight, because he is the son of Queen and the brother of a ruling King.

Families rise together and fall together - This is, how it was over the last centuries and how it will be. At least for the famous ones...

And I think, it is pretty hard, that King Charles names his brother "Mr. Mountbatten Windsor". I see, what he is trying to signal, but the fact, that Andrew is his brother wont go away...
 
I share your thoughts! There is a thing like personal responsibility.

But Andrew is only this much in the spotlight, because he is the son of Queen and the brother of a ruling King.

Families rise together and fall together - This is, how it was over the last centuries and how it will be. At least for the famous ones...

And I think, it is pretty hard, that King Charles names his brother "Mr. Mountbatten Windsor". I see, what he is trying to signal, but the fact, that Andrew is his brother wont go away...
This is the reason why I stated before the removal of his titles that it’s not gonna work the press see a selling story and by no mean they would stop cause the title was removed, every headline is what I predicted “Andrew formally prince/ King Charles brother Andrew formerly prince” all of that and there is no conviction, if the royal family is going to be ruled by the opinion polls and bad press then it’s the beginning of the end!

I read a lot of articles and people calling for the king of Norway to remove the title of princess from his daughter cause she used it in her business ventures or that she called herself princess in a documentary, knowing what we know now about the crown princess I see no one complaining about Martha Louise 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I share your thoughts! There is a thing like personal responsibility.

But Andrew is only this much in the spotlight, because he is the son of Queen and the brother of a ruling King.

Families rise together and fall together - This is, how it was over the last centuries and how it will be. At least for the famous ones...

And I think, it is pretty hard, that King Charles names his brother "Mr. Mountbatten Windsor". I see, what he is trying to signal, but the fact, that Andrew is his brother wont go away...
I know he was speaking about Charles’s attitude to this truly awful mess but I took the references to ‘Mr Mountbatten Windsor’ to be from the Palace spokesman. After all, he couldn’t call him ‘Andrew’ or ‘the ex Duke of York’ and calling him ‘the King’s brother’ would have also sent quite the wrong signal.
 
Hello! magazine's rather ridiculous take on it!


Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor appears to have retained custody of the late Queen's corgis, despite the stripping of his titles and eviction from Royal Lodge in Windsor. Pictured in Norfolk on Monday, Queen Elizabeth's beloved companions, Muick and Sandy, were spotted with members of Andrew's private protection, who took them for a walk around the grounds of his new home, Wood Farm Cottage on the Sandringham estate.

What do they want the King to do - confiscate the dogs?!

 
Hello! magazine's rather ridiculous take on it!


Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor appears to have retained custody of the late Queen's corgis, despite the stripping of his titles and eviction from Royal Lodge in Windsor. Pictured in Norfolk on Monday, Queen Elizabeth's beloved companions, Muick and Sandy, were spotted with members of Andrew's private protection, who took them for a walk around the grounds of his new home, Wood Farm Cottage on the Sandringham estate.

What do they want the King to do - confiscate the dogs?!
Exactly, if you caved once you will never satisfy the public opinion, unfortunately I see that the royal family is more likely to do an additional nonsense declaration or decision that would appease the public opinion for awhile, but then they would be hit again with us the dissatisfaction of the public again until the end!
 
All I can say, is that Mr. M-W, has made his bed and gets to lie in it.

You would think that with all that he has, he would know better than to do everything that he did. Guess not and I don't feel sorry for him at all.
 
I think AMW needs to go abroad. I've thought that for a while.

To my mind the whole Sandringham plan is a big big mistake. Yes it 's a private estate, & yes it's a modest (by royal standards) house, but to the public at large it's Sandringham House, indelibly linked with the brf & the late queen in particular.

If he has any shred of decency left AMW needs to fall on his sword & just go.
Oh I agree with you 100%
Plus there will be constant media presence at the Sandringham Estate hoping to catch a glimpse of the former DoY!
 
There are indeed already problems since Andrew moved to Marsh Farm. People living there are not happy about it, and even put up "warning signs".
"A previously peaceful lane was swamped with cars as journalists flocked to the village, with a helicopter circling above, prompting one local to say: "I think if he has to come and live here, it should be somewhere that's quite secluded."
"There are houses that belong to the King that he could go to that wouldn't cause anybody any bother. The press are all down there. The villagers don't like that. It's a quiet village."

 
There are indeed already problems since Andrew moved to Marsh Farm. People living there are not happy about it, and even put up "warning signs".
"A previously peaceful lane was swamped with cars as journalists flocked to the village, with a helicopter circling above, prompting one local to say: "I think if he has to come and live here, it should be somewhere that's quite secluded."
"There are houses that belong to the King that he could go to that wouldn't cause anybody any bother. The press are all down there. The villagers don't like that. It's a quiet village."

Not exactly what you want to see outside a royal Estate which parts of are also open to the public and might put visitors off!
 
I am not sure I understand what the "thinking first of Epstein's victims" line is supposed to mean when it is said by a person who did not associate with Jeffrey Epstein themselves (like the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, or Prime Minister).

When that line is said by a person who associated with Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction, I suppose that person means they sincerely regret how their association may have affected Epstein's victims and aren't merely thinking of preserving their own reputation.

But when a non-associate of Jeffrey Epstein says they must think of the victims first, what do they mean? I ask because most of the public discussion these days seems to to be focused on Jeffrey Epstein's former associates, not on his victims.
 
Many who had dealings with Epstein, as a random person or with more intensive contacts, and who are public figures, have recently made an effort to emphasize the victims, even those who never met him but feel obliged to express their pity for the victims, because a family member is involved.
I believe this is because anyone who did not mention the victims was criticized in public. I hope that the day will come when the victims are being heard and get some kind of justice and compensation.
 
Back
Top Bottom