The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 10: August 2024 -

[Tatiana Maria]

“At the end of the hearing, judge Sir Geoffrey Vos said the Court of Appeal's decision would be given in writing at a later date, which was 'most unlikely' to be before Easter.
Sir Geoffrey, sitting with Lord Justice Bean and Lord Justice Edis, said: 'Plainly we will take our time to consider our judgments.'

Prince Harry's barrister claims his 'life is at stake' in High Court

Prince Harry's barrister today ended his appeal for the return of full taxpayer-funded security protection with a claim that its removal has left the royal's life 'at stake'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Court's Easter vacation will end on April 29, so per the judges there will almost certainly not be any decision before that date.

 

[HRHHermione]

Then, if Charles realised that there was nothing practically that could be done to secure any security funding for Harry and his family or guarantee it in any way from the British or any foreign governments, something he already obviously suspected in 2020, why insist on having that portion of the Sandringham Agreement put into writing. It was a worthless declaration.

Possibly for historical documentation purposes- so it would be very clear that Harry was made aware that his security arrangements were not the purview of his family but the state.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Possibly for historical documentation purposes- so it would be very clear that Harry was made aware that his security arrangements were not the purview of his family but the state.

If that was the intention behind keeping a written record, it was apparently ineffective as his wife nonetheless subsequently stated (inaccurately) on television that "his family" "pull[ed] his security":

Oprah: So, that you as Prince Harry are going to have your security removed.

Meghan: Yeah. And I even . . .  and I even wrote letters to his family saying, ‘Please, it’s very clear the protection of me or Archie is not a priority. I accept that. That is fine. Please keep my husband safe. I see the death threats. I see the racist propaganda. Please keep him safe. Please don’t pull his security and announce to the world when he and we are most vulnerable’. And they said it’s just not possible.

Read the full transcript of Harry and Meghan's bombshell interview with Oprah

THE most sensational royal interview of all time saw the Duke and Duchess of Sussex slam ‘racist’ Britain, the Royal Family and the Press. Speaking to Oprah Winfrey in California, Princ…

www.the-sun.com

 

[yukari]

Second day in The Royal Courts of Justice for the Duke of Sussex
Prince Harry at London court for second day of security case

It seems the Duke had to be escorted from a High Court hearing about his security by his security team s after an agitated supporter disrupted proceedings.
Prince Harry dramatically escorted out of High Court hearing

How ironic, his avid supporters (namely Sussexsquad) seems like a bigger threat for him than his haters that he needs to be escorted out instead of him approching the said supporter to thank her.

 

[yukari]

If that was the intention behind keeping a written record, it was apparently ineffective as his wife nonetheless subsequently stated (inaccurately) on television that "his family" "pull[ed] his security":

Oprah: So, that you as Prince Harry are going to have your security removed.​

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Meghan: Yeah. And I even . . .  and I even wrote letters to his family saying, ‘Please, it’s very clear the protection of me or Archie is not a priority. I accept that. That is fine. Please keep my husband safe. I see the death threats. I see the racist propaganda. Please keep him safe. Please don’t pull his security and announce to the world when he and we are most vulnerable’. And they said it’s just not possible.​

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Read the full transcript of Harry and Meghan's bombshell interview with Oprah

THE most sensational royal interview of all time saw the Duke and Duchess of Sussex slam ‘racist’ Britain, the Royal Family and the Press. Speaking to Oprah Winfrey in California, Princ…

www.the-sun.com

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But then, since it was written in the agreement, the BRF would have solid proof to counter how much truth she was saying in that interview. So was she intentionally lied or Harry never shared what was in the agreement with her or she didn't understand what was written there (though, according to her fans, she's a genius and the smartest member of the BRF with great attention to details ...)

 

[Queen Claude]

But then, since it was written in the agreement, the BRF would have solid proof to counter how much truth she was saying in that interview. So was she intentionally lied or Harry never shared what was in the agreement with her or she didn't understand what was written there (though, according to her fans, she's a genius and the smartest member of the BRF with great attention to details ...)

Two thoughts:
During the O interview, there was a comment or two from Meghan where I thought that see was setting up plausible deniability.

Second, through this court case, we are seeing the embodiment of the "recollections may vary" reaction statement.

 

[Hallo girl]

If that was the intention behind keeping a written record, it was apparently ineffective as his wife nonetheless subsequently stated (inaccurately) on television that "his family" "pull[ed] his security":

Oprah: So, that you as Prince Harry are going to have your security removed.​

​

Meghan: Yeah. And I even . . .  and I even wrote letters to his family saying, ‘Please, it’s very clear the protection of me or Archie is not a priority. I accept that. That is fine. Please keep my husband safe. I see the death threats. I see the racist propaganda. Please keep him safe. Please don’t pull his security and announce to the world when he and we are most vulnerable’. And they said it’s just not possible.​

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Read the full transcript of Harry and Meghan's bombshell interview with Oprah

THE most sensational royal interview of all time saw the Duke and Duchess of Sussex slam ‘racist’ Britain, the Royal Family and the Press. Speaking to Oprah Winfrey in California, Princ…

www.the-sun.com

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It was not the only thing she failed to ' understand ' as a result gave a confusing misleading report of what went on .

 

[An Ard Ri]

The Court of Appeal in London was told yesterday that the Duke and Duchess "felt forced to step back" from their roles as senior working royals as they felt they "were not being protected by the institution"
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'felt forced to step back' from royal life

 

[tommy100]

The problem is Harry and Meghan have form for "not remembering" the truth when it suits. Remember when Harry told Tom Bradby they had never said his family were racist.

 

[Hallo girl]

The Court of Appeal in London was told yesterday that the Duke and Duchess "felt forced to step back" from their roles as senior working royals as they felt they "were not being protected by the institution"
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'felt forced to step back' from royal life

Failed to protect them from what, they had the security. I assume they mean negative headlines and social media trolls. Lots of people in the public eye experience that. So what he is saying is, that the palace failed to protect us so we left but by the way we expect the government to continue to protect us.

 

[Hallo girl]

I maybe have this all wrong but my understanding of the bespoke security arrangement is that when Harry decides to come over to the UK he provides 28 days notice to allow the security services to assess risks etc then put a security package in place. I am sure if there was a major reason for him to attend at short notice then it would be possible to provide a work around. He also doesn't help his issue with regards security by refusing to live at Royal palaces, he appears to prefer friends or hotels.
He has already demonstrated that he can arrive under the radar, reside somewhere without publicity or the requirement for government security.

 

[FigTree]

I maybe have this all wrong but my understanding of the bespoke security arrangement is that when Harry decides to come over to the UK he provides 28 days notice to allow the security services to assess risks etc then put a security package in place. I am sure if there was a major reason for him to attend at short notice then it would be possible to provide a work around. He also doesn't help his issue with regards security by refusing to live at Royal palaces, he appears to prefer friends or hotels.
He has already demonstrated that he can arrive under the radar, reside somewhere without publicity or the requirement for government security.

He stays in hotels. Mainly because the royal residence offered to him aren't the ones he wanted. I think he wanted Windsor once but timing hadn't long enough so they offered somewhere else and he said no. I think he was offered St James' once. Again no, because its on aroad so he stayed in hotel. I don't think he has any friends to stay with.

 

[tommy100]

I would say choosing staying in a hotel vs a well protected royal residence shows Harry is not all that serious about his security.
My understanding of the court case is Harry is saying RAVEC didn't follow their own normal procedures for him, instead they offered something more bespoke which they presumably argue is better and more fitting for Harry but Harry is arguing "bespoke doesn't mean better" even though it seems RAVEC think their bespoke option is better for Harry as it is more responsive to his needs by assessing each visit rather than just an annual review.
The irony is, the Courts can not (as far as I can see) force RAVEC to provide a certain level of security to Harry, at most they can order it to do a "standard" risk assessment, to review Harry's arrangements etc. But RAVEC will still be the body that determines what the outcome is. So I'm not sure even if he "wins" Harry will get what he wants because I can't see for a minute how a court can decide what protection is offered to who and how.

 

[muriel]

It was not the only thing she failed to ' understand ' as a result gave a confusing misleading report of what went on .

I don't think it was about Meghan not understanding how things were done in the royal family. In the Oprah interview, I think she deliberately set out to make misleading statements and cause trouble for the RF.

Failed to protect them from what, they had the security. I assume they mean negative headlines and social media trolls. Lots of people in the public eye experience that. So what he is saying is, that the palace failed to protect us so we left but by the way we expect the government to continue to protect us.

Quite right!

 

[tommy100]

I'm not posting links to their social media accounts but X is full of photos showing the woman who shouted out in court is the same lady who was allowed to meet and pose with Harry during several visits including to Invictus.

 

[Hallo girl]

I don't think it was about Meghan not understanding how things were done in the royal family. In the Oprah interview, I think she deliberately set out to make misleading statements and cause trouble for the RF.

Exactly, those who follow the royals knew what her game was, others were taken in but the blinkers are slowly coming off

I'm not posting links to their social media accounts but X is full of photos showing the woman who shouted out in court is the same lady who was allowed to meet and pose with Harry during several visits including to Invictus.

very interesting, are we surprised .

 

[tommy100]

Apparently Harry went straight from the court case about his security concerns in the UK to a secret visit in Ukraine

Prince Harry in surprise visit to Ukraine victims after court case in UK

PRINCE Harry has met with war victims and veterans in a surprise visit to Ukraine. The Duke of Sussex, 40, made the unannounced trip today as part of his ongoing work with wounded veterans, a spoke…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[muriel]

Apparently Harry went straight from the court case about his security concerns in the UK to a secret visit in Ukraine

Prince Harry in surprise visit to Ukraine victims after court case in UK

PRINCE Harry has met with war victims and veterans in a surprise visit to Ukraine. The Duke of Sussex, 40, made the unannounced trip today as part of his ongoing work with wounded veterans, a spoke…

www.thesun.co.uk

In Harry's mind, clearly Ukraine these days is safer than the UK!

 

[Alison H]

The trip was kept secret until after he'd left, and Lviv, although it has seen a number of air raids, is a long way from where the heaviest fighting and heaviest bombing are taking place. This is exactly the sort of thing that Harry should be doing, and is good at, instead of bringing endless court cases to satisfy his own ego and whining that the UK isn't "safe".

 

[Hallo girl]

The trip was kept secret until after he'd left, and Lviv, although it has seen a number of air raids, is a long way from where the heaviest fighting and heaviest bombing are taking place. This is exactly the sort of thing that Harry should be doing, and is good at, instead of bringing endless court cases to satisfy his own ego and whining that the UK isn't "safe".

He is good at this stuff, he appears more comfortable in this role

 

[Prinsara]

This is exactly the sort of thing that Harry should be doing, and is good at

This is the sort of thing Harry can’t be doing as a private citizen without coming into conflict with his family and the job he said he didn’t want to do anymore (except on bespoke terms).

 

[taogg]

He says he needs armed protection and says he needs bodyguards who have access to police intelligence - neither of which any private security firms in the UK are allowed to offer. So he wants to pay the Met to access armed police to protect him.

I can’t believe he said he wanted access—even indirectly—to police intelligence! He was a soldier before! Has he lost his mind? Shame!

 

[Curryong]

Harry is indeed very good at meeting with war victims and veterans (and their families) including the wounded and the maimed . It works in too with the aims of Invictus and veterans from Ukraine accompanied him there. I’m glad he visited and I’m sure those who met him appreciated him coming to see them.

Prince Harry in surprise visit to Ukraine to meet war victims

The Duke of Sussex visits an orthopaedic clinic in the western city of Lviv.

www.bbc.com

 

[Alison H]

This is the sort of thing Harry can’t be doing as a private citizen without coming into conflict with his family and the job he said he didn’t want to do anymore (except on bespoke terms).

He was there on behalf of Invictus, and accompanied by other people from Invictus, so I would think that that was OK. "Unofficial" state visits obviously aren't, but this was in his capacity as representative of a charity helping wounded soldiers.

 

[PrincessofEurope]

Harry is indeed very good at meeting with war victims and veterans (and their families) including the wounded and the maimed . It works in too with the aims of Invictus and veterans from Ukraine accompanied him there. I’m glad he visited and I’m sure those who met him appreciated him coming to see them.

Prince Harry in surprise visit to Ukraine to meet war victims

The Duke of Sussex visits an orthopaedic clinic in the western city of Lviv.

www.bbc.com

Hands down this is what Harry is good at - his work with veterans is his biggest achievement.
Despite press he receives & the path in life he had chosen, I will always maintain this part of his legacy should receive the plaudits it deserves and this is where I feel that he could have done so much good in his royal life if he had continued to be a working royal.

I am glad to see him visit Ukraine - the focus with him going solo was on the visit and the cause.

 

[Hallo girl]

This is the sort of thing Harry can’t be doing as a private citizen without coming into conflict with his family and the job he said he didn’t want to do anymore (except on bespoke terms).

To be fair it was on behalf of his charity, he does not appear to have met with any government officials or become involved in anything that you would associate with a ' royal ' visit. Long may that continue. There are times when you can see that Harrys passion for causes is still there burning inside him, it is my opinion that the ' pseudo' royal tours he did to Nigeria and Columbia lacked that passion and interest. It was that element of royal duties that he did not appear to enjoy, so why try and replicate them now.

 

[FigTree]

To be fair it was on behalf of his charity, he does not appear to have met with any government officials or become involved in anything that you would associate with a ' royal ' visit. Long may that continue. There are times when you can see that Harrys passion for causes is still there burning inside him, it is my opinion that the ' pseudo' royal tours he did to Nigeria and Columbia lacked that passion and interest. It was that element of royal duties that he did not appear to enjoy, so why try and replicate them now.

Because his wife wants to?

In any case they can't really afford those. So she can try to make money and he can see injured vets.

 

[tommy100]

Have to say quite a few media outlets are pointing out the hypocrisy of saying he isn't safe in the UK then travelling straight to Ukraine. I'm not sure it will help his case tbh.

 

[FigTree]

I don't think it matters. Judges are only interested in points of law.

 

[muriel]

So she can try to make money and he can see injured vets.

Lets hope she is successful selling flower petals and runny jam. And the podcasts, where the guests are mere props for Meghan to speak about herself!