The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 10: August 2024 -


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Tatiana Maria said:
Rereading that judgment, another point of interest (which I’m not sure was adequately communicated in press reports) is that, at least in some respects, the Duke of Sussex was arguing that he should be treated the same as others, whereas the UK authorities counterargued that they were appropriately providing him with special treatment and additional consideration due to his particular circumstances.
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Really interesting. It shows that Harry is so hyper focused on proving a point t and getting g what he thinks he “deserves” that he’s ignoring what’s best for the safety of him and his family. An up-to-date assessment seems so much more appropriate for his particular needs than a static yearly review. Is there no one in his life who can explain this to him in words he can understand?
 
Hallo girl said:
I totally agree, you could list the straightforward things that became a drama. No publicity is bad publicity as they say.
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Many celebrities use this tactic, but with the Sussexes—especially Meghan—it's clear that the kind of publicity they receive matters greatly. I’d wager she’s very conscious of how she’s portrayed, which explains the effort behind getting Dr. Chandauka to issue a statement to counter the media narrative about what happened at the awarding ceremony, and the constant need to manage stories and coverage about them. That’s also why I find it amusing when people say, “It doesn’t matter if the public doesn’t think her Netflix show is great—what matters is that Netflix does, and they keep renewing it and the Sussexes keep making money.” Right. Let's not forget that this is, after all, the same person who went on Oprah to clarify that it was Catherine who made her cry—not the other way around. Of course she cares what people think and I would even argue, she ultimately wants to be a beloved figure, the way Diana was.
 
Absolutely. That much is clear from the fact that she sent that hand-written note to the podcaster who expressed fears about how people would react to “With Love, Meghan” after watching the trailer. Why was she even aware what a podcaster with 800,000 followers was saying? And why did she care enough to respond to her?* Meghan is a lot of things, but unbothered and happy to receive any publicity, even negative publicity, is not one of them.

*These are purely rhetorical questions. I think she saw an opportunity to try to curry favor with this podcaster and her audience. And it apparently worked, considering the podcaster went from fearing Meghan looked unrelatable and wanting to offer her advice to declaring herself a “fan for life” after receiving the note.
 
An Ard Ri said:
The Ex-Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown has shared her views on the lifestyle series Netflix 'With Love '
Ex-Vanity Fair editor gives verdict on Meghan Markle's Netflix show

Despite its poor reviews the ratings have been high and Netflix have renewed the series, “With Love, Meghan,” fora Second Season.
Markle’s ‘With Love, Meghan’ Renewed For Another Season—Despite Low Review Ranking
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I've read that the "second season" is really just another batch of episodes filmed at the same time as the first batch. So well yes - a second season, it is already filmed and "in the can" thus Netflix hasn't invested more into the project than it had already. To me it means that whilst 'With Love' didn't perform great, it wasn't poor enough to justify not showing an already filmed set of new episodes.
 
I was wondering: how many new series were released the same week as her show? Wouldn’t it be funny to be, say, ten series and her show made it in top ten?
 
tommy100 said:
I've read that the "second season" is really just another batch of episodes filmed at the same time as the first batch. So well yes - a second season, it is already filmed and "in the can" thus Netflix hasn't invested more into the project than it had already. To me it means that whilst 'With Love' didn't perform great, it wasn't poor enough to justify not showing an already filmed set of new episodes.
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Season 2 has been filmed already and will be released in the autumn
It remains to be seen what the second season entails.
 
moby said:
Many celebrities use this tactic, but with the Sussexes—especially Meghan—it's clear that the kind of publicity they receive matters greatly. I’d wager she’s very conscious of how she’s portrayed, which explains the effort behind getting Dr. Chandauka to issue a statement to counter the media narrative about what happened at the awarding ceremony, and the constant need to manage stories and coverage about them. That’s also why I find it amusing when people say, “It doesn’t matter if the public doesn’t think her Netflix show is great—what matters is that Netflix does, and they keep renewing it and the Sussexes keep making money.” Right. Let's not forget that this is, after all, the same person who went on Oprah to clarify that it was Catherine who made her cry—not the other way around. Of course she cares what people think and I would even argue, she ultimately wants to be a beloved figure, the way Diana was.
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These are excellent points. I have also observed how in their eyes there are so many people jealous of Meghan and her success.
 
An Ard Ri said:
The BBC's senior royal correspondent Daniela Relph looks into the career of the duchess of Sussex 5 years after Megxit!
Meghan's divisiveness may well work to her advantage
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I like the article and feel it was balanced. I agree that they need to just start being philanthropists but I guess that does not bring in enough money for them to live on and what would Meghan do without the spotlight? I liked the line "Harry is now the spare to his wife". Truth.
 
I was mostly surprised about them paying the bill in a restaurant being described as a positive encounter with the couple - as if that wouldn’t be expected of anyone dining out (of course, most people would not go and greet the kitchen staff in addition to paying the bill).
 
moby said:
Many celebrities use this tactic, but with the Sussexes—especially Meghan—it's clear that the kind of publicity they receive matters greatly. I’d wager she’s very conscious of how she’s portrayed, which explains the effort behind getting Dr. Chandauka to issue a statement to counter the media narrative about what happened at the awarding ceremony, and the constant need to manage stories and coverage about them. That’s also why I find it amusing when people say, “It doesn’t matter if the public doesn’t think her Netflix show is great—what matters is that Netflix does, and they keep renewing it and the Sussexes keep making money.” Right. Let's not forget that this is, after all, the same person who went on Oprah to clarify that it was Catherine who made her cry—not the other way around. Of course she cares what people think and I would even argue, she ultimately wants to be a beloved figure, the way Diana was.
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I think the opportunity to be a beloved figure like Diana has sailed already. But yes I think she cares a lot more than she makes seem about her reputation and what people (press included) are saying.
 
The Duchess of Sussex pretty convinced of her own entrepreneurial skills and abilities today ;)


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Meghan, Duchess of Sussex on Instagram: "Being an entrepreneur can start young. (By the way, all these years later and I’m still selling cookies!) 🍪 Tune in for the premiere episode of ‘Confessions of a Female Founder’ featuring my dear friend, @wh

meghan on April 8, 2025: "Being an entrepreneur can start young. (By the way, all these years later and I’m still selling cookies!) 🍪 Tune in for the premiere episode of ‘Confessions of a Female Founder’ featuring my dear friend, @whitney, now streaming wherever you get your podcasts...
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And the Duke of Sussex is in London today for his court case:


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That is indeed a scary thing to have. That and her miscarriage means that her pregnancies were not 'cloud-nine- experiences', as she would always have been on edge. Worrying if anything felt different that normal and what that could mean.
 
Yikes! I have a friend who had post-natal eclampsia and had a seizure shortly after giving birth to her first. She was closely monitored during her second pregnancy
 
Listening to the first episode of Founder and am bewildered and , frankly bored.

I assumed that the first episode would be the attention grabber, to make sure you'd listen to the other episodes, but I can't see what the attraction is and who the audience will be.

If you're a potential businesswoman then maybe it's interesting, or if you at least know and use the business
(I had to look up Bumble). And if you're listening because it's Meghan, then that's understandable, but is there enough of an audience of fans or those who are listening for bits of personal information (which will all turn up in the media, anyway).

I don't know - all the you need to "love yourself" first is not my thing (I like myself just fine, but, alas, I'm not a millionaire entrepreneur, so maybe I need to get more on the "I'm wonderful" train!)

And the ending is cringe, I'm sorry!

And no, I couldn't work out who the next guest is, from the teaser. Do I care enough to try to find out? Nah.
 
Look I am not negating any experience. Particularly around childbirth. Lord knows. But there are always two types of people. One where there is never a drama. And one where there is always a drama.
 
A question on this court case:

When the Duke and Duchess of Sussex first announced their exit from the working royal family in January 2020, they and the senior Royal Family lobbied governments to maintain the Sussexes' publicly-funded protective security both inside and outside of Britain, including in Canada (where they lived at the time):

22. [...] Following a meeting at Sandringham on 13 January 2020, what the claimant [the Duke of Sussex] describes as "an agreement of sorts was reached", which has been described in the media as the "Sandringham Agreement". Under the heading "on Security", it was stated that given the claimant's public profile, as a result of being born into the Royal Family, his military service, his wife's own independent profile and the history of targeting of the Sussex family by right-wing extremists, the family would "continue to require effective security to protect them". The Royal Family would support "the Sussexes in making the case for effective support from Her Majesty's Government and Canadian and other host Governments, whilst noting that these are independent processes and decisions for those Governments".​

The Duke of Sussex soon afterwards wrote a letter to the then Cabinet Secretary in which he expressed "disbelief" at having his "security removed", referring to the international threat to them in countries outside the UK:

43. [...] He [the Duke of Sussex] would like "to see a full report of the current risk matrix please, and the justification that countries outside of the UK somehow change the international threat to us".​

Clearly, it was important then to the Duke of Sussex to have publicly-funded protective security for himself and his wife not in Britain alone, but in any country where they were present.

As explained in the judgment under appeal (from which the above quotations are taken), RAVEC (the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures) was responsible only for decisions on protective security within Great Britain. Decisions on protective security outside of Great Britain were the responsibility of RMV (the Royal and Ministerial Visits Committee).

So why has the Duke of Sussex only sued RAVEC over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives in Great Britain? Why has the Duke of Sussex not sued RMV over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives while he is outside of Great Britain?
 

Prince Harry in court as appeal over downgraded UK security begins​

Live Reporting​

Edited by Adam Durbin, with Jemma Crew and Tom Symonds reporting from the Court of Appeal

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Prince Harry in court as appeal over downgraded UK security begins

The Duke of Sussex is contesting a decision to change his security status after he stopped being a working royal.
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Tatiana Maria said:
A question on this court case:

When the Duke and Duchess of Sussex first announced their exit from the working royal family in January 2020, they and the senior Royal Family lobbied governments to maintain the Sussexes' publicly-funded protective security both inside and outside of Britain, including in Canada (where they lived at the time):

22. [...] Following a meeting at Sandringham on 13 January 2020, what the claimant [the Duke of Sussex] describes as "an agreement of sorts was reached", which has been described in the media as the "Sandringham Agreement". Under the heading "on Security", it was stated that given the claimant's public profile, as a result of being born into the Royal Family, his military service, his wife's own independent profile and the history of targeting of the Sussex family by right-wing extremists, the family would "continue to require effective security to protect them". The Royal Family would support "the Sussexes in making the case for effective support from Her Majesty's Government and Canadian and other host Governments, whilst noting that these are independent processes and decisions for those Governments".​

The Duke of Sussex soon afterwards wrote a letter to the then Cabinet Secretary in which he expressed "disbelief" at having his "security removed", referring to the international threat to them in countries outside the UK:

43. [...] He [the Duke of Sussex] would like "to see a full report of the current risk matrix please, and the justification that countries outside of the UK somehow change the international threat to us".​

Clearly, it was important then to the Duke of Sussex to have publicly-funded protective security for himself and his wife not in Britain alone, but in any country where they were present.

As explained in the judgment under appeal (from which the above quotations are taken), RAVEC (the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures) was responsible only for decisions on protective security within Great Britain. Decisions on protective security outside of Great Britain were the responsibility of RMV (the Royal and Ministerial Visits Committee).

So why has the Duke of Sussex only sued RAVEC over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives in Great Britain? Why has the Duke of Sussex not sued RMV over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives while he is outside of Great Britain?
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Because a change by them will automatically mean British security abroad and the other countries will fall on line as appropriate. Although with Trump. Basically he doesn't want to pay a couple of million pounds a year on security. Which he will anyway because Trump will not give him any but it would be decreased by having British security at all times. Massively increasing the cost to us in the UK paying tax. No thank you.

When a Ravec protected person is abroad generally the security is provided by both security services. Increasing costs to both.
 
FigTree said:
Because a change by them will automatically mean British security abroad and the other countries will fall on line as appropriate. [...]
When a Ravec protected person is abroad generally the security is provided by both security services. Increasing costs to both.
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Thank you for the reply! To be clear, are you saying that whenever RAVEC provides publicly-funded protective security in Great Britain to an individual (as it currently does for the Sussexes on a case-by-case basis), then the RMV will provide publicly-funded protective security outside Great Britain to that same individual? May I ask where you read this information? :flowers:
 
Tatiana Maria said:
Thank you for the reply! To be clear, are you saying that whenever RAVEC provides publicly-funded protective security in Great Britain to an individual (as it currently does for the Sussexes on a case-by-case basis), then the RMV will provide publicly-funded protective security outside Great Britain to that same individual? May I ask where you read this information? :flowers:
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On his level of previous security. It is what happens. As designated as an IPP. Which is what he had and what he wants. Ambassadors,.from.certain countries travel with home security for example and where necessary supported.
 
It seems my question may be misunderstood; it was about why the Duke of Sussex is only suing over his publicly-funded security in Great Britain and not suing over his publicly-funded security outside of Great Britain, given that both seem to be important to him.
 
Tatiana Maria said:
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So why has the Duke of Sussex only sued RAVEC over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives in Great Britain? Why has the Duke of Sussex not sued RMV over the decision to downgrade the publicly-funded security he receives while he is outside of Great Britain?
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Just reading your question, my guess was that the key word in the committe's title is Visit and this group is responsible for visit related security royal visits and not long-term stays.

I then googled "Royal and Ministerial Visits Committee" and the top results are for the "Royal Visits Committee (RVC)". The Wikipedia article about the RVC states:
The committee determines the programme of overseas visits (including Commonwealth realm visits)​

The article then links to a PDF that has the following statement.
But most state visits are planned not by the Palace but by the Foreign Office:​
The programme of overseas visits (other than Realm visits) which is funded by the Sovereign Grant is determined by the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) and undertaken on behalf of Government, and is approved by the Royal Visits Committee according to agreed priorities.​

So if the RVC is the same as the RMV, then it looks like my guess is correct and adds the further tidbit that it is for visits undertaken on behalf of the government, so the Sussexes situation falls outside their role.

Adding on to this the funding comes from the Sovereign Grant, which the Sussexes stated they will not take funding from, and the government being visited, but the program of the overseas visit and the associated funding is part of the pre-planning, so again the Sussexes circumstances do not fit.
 
CrownPrincessJava said:
Yikes! I have a friend who had post-natal eclampsia and had a seizure shortly after giving birth to her first. She was closely monitored during her second pregnancy
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My mother had it after giving birth to me and it was a terrifying time for my family. It's important for more people to know that it can happen in the post partum period.
 
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