The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 10: August 2024 -


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Alison H said:
Really?? Meghan seems absolutely fine to me, and Harry has been on plenty of solo trips recently. Harry settled because it made financial sense to do so, just as everyone else involved in cases against NGN has done.
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Absolutely. Despite all the fighting talk last week...

“They have settled because they’ve had to settle,” Prince Harry told the New York Times before Christmas. “One of the main reasons for seeing this through is accountability, because I’m the last person that can actually achieve that.”

...every dragon slayer has his price ;)

Leopoldine said:
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Then you have Harry's wife, who is beaten up daily in the press. Harry may have been coaxed into settling because his wife is getting very bad press and may be very unhappy. Maybe he felt like he couldn't leave her to go to the UK. She has spoken previously about her low state of mind and, from what I have seen in the press, holy crap. Idi Amin got better coverage.
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Hmm. Both she and PH were happy enough to relentlessly and publicly "beat up" the BRF in front of the biggest crowd imaginable and by any means available; did they ever consider the emotional damage that would cause? And because the BRF couldn't answer back, they thought they would get away with it.

I'm afraid it's a case of what goes around, comes around. Play mean games, win mean prizes.
 
Leopoldine said:
There might be circumstances on both sides that led to a ceasefire.

Rupert Murdoch has his heirs all in a kerfuffle about who gets what. Rupe needs some simplicity. Putting Harry in the rear-view mirror is good for them.

Then you have Harry's wife, who is beaten up daily in the press. Harry may have been coaxed into settling because his wife is getting very bad press and may be very unhappy. Maybe he felt like he couldn't leave her to go to the UK. She has spoken previously about her low state of mind and, from what I have seen in the press, holy crap. Idi Amin got better coverage.
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It appears to be Vanity Fair and Hollywood reporter that were critical. The old Daily Mail was printing lots of positive stuff.
I am just thinking of the things they said in interviews and in print without evidence to back it up. Not nice is it?
 
Queen Claude said:

Prince Harry’s statement in full as Duke of Sussex attacks NGN ‘lies’​

www.independent.co.uk

Prince Harry’s statement in full as Duke of Sussex attacks NGN ‘lies’

Duke of Sussex given ‘unequivocal’ apology by The Sun publisher as claim settled
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1882039675113628051
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David Sherborne is the real winner of course. He'll never have to worry about paying his hairdresser ever again 🤣

Just to be clear: I have no problem with people who have been badly treated - and that includes PH - being compensated for wrongdoing and those responsible being held to account. And I don't begrudge Sherborne his money either; if PH wants to squander his private millions using his services, that's his choice to do so. To use one last cliché today: A fool and his money are easily parted.

But speaking in Sussex-ese: The mission failed. The dragon is still breathing.
 
shady lady said:
David Sherborne is the real winner of course. He'll never have to worry about paying his hairdresser ever again 🤣

Just to be clear: I have no problem with people who have been badly treated - and that includes PH - being compensated for wrongdoing and those responsible being held to account. And I don't begrudge Sherborne his money either; if PH wants to squander his private millions using his services, that's his choice to do so. To use one last cliché today: A fool and his money are easily parted.

But speaking in Sussex-ese: The mission failed. The dragon is still breathing.
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shady lady said:
David Sherborne is the real winner of course. He'll never have to worry about paying his hairdresser ever again 🤣

Just to be clear: I have no problem with people who have been badly treated - and that includes PH - being compensated for wrongdoing and those responsible being held to account. And I don't begrudge Sherborne his money either; if PH wants to squander his private millions using his services, that's his choice to do so. To use one last cliché today: A fool and his money are easily parted.

But speaking in Sussex-ese: The mission failed. The dragon is still breathing.
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What would have been the standard for the mission to be deemed a success? It is not like Harry could ever expect that The Sun would be shut down, or that Rupert Murdoch would end up in jail, or even personally admit to any wrongdoing or unalwful behavior.

I suppose one has to be realistic about what he can achieve, especially in the context of a civil lawsuit.
 
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shady lady said:
David Sherborne is the real winner of course. He'll never have to worry about paying his hairdresser ever again 🤣

Just to be clear: I have no problem with people who have been badly treated - and that includes PH - being compensated for wrongdoing and those responsible being held to account. And I don't begrudge Sherborne his money either; if PH wants to squander his private millions using his services, that's his choice to do so. To use one last cliché today: A fool and his money are easily parted.

But speaking in Sussex-ese: The mission failed. The dragon is still breathing.
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"The BBC understands the settlements to both Prince Harry and former Labour deputy leader Lord Tom Watson have cost NGN more than £10m in pay outs and legal fees."

So the £10 million pounds bandied about is the total settlement to both claimants and includes legal fees - but we know that legal fees alone were already approaching £10m as it was cited as the reason Hugh Grant chose to settle almost a year ago. So Harry is not going to see big money.


www.bbc.com

Prince Harry: Sun publisher to pay 'substantial' damages in settlement - BBC News

News Group Newspapers offers an "unequivocal apology" to the Duke of Sussex for "serious intrusion".
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Queen Claude said:

Prince Harry’s statement in full as Duke of Sussex attacks NGN ‘lies’​

www.independent.co.uk

Prince Harry’s statement in full as Duke of Sussex attacks NGN ‘lies’

Duke of Sussex given ‘unequivocal’ apology by The Sun publisher as claim settled
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1882039675113628051
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I am slightly confused by this statement with regards claims of 30 million e mails and other accusations, has this all been proved in court. Or was this what was to be presented in court.
 
Mbruno said:
What would have been the standard for the mission to be deemed a success? It is not like Harry could ever expect that The Sun would be shut down, or that Rupert Murdoch would end up in jail, or even personally admit to any wrongdoing or unalwful behavior.

I suppose one has to be realistic about what he can achieve, especially in the context of a civil lawsuit.
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Isn't it? I think that's exactly what he wanted.
 
shady lady said:
Isn't it? I think that's exactly what he wanted.
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He didn't achieve it, he walked away. IMO the right thing to do for his financial future, but he cannot claim to be the dragon slayer, in fact as far as I see it, he lost. Once again what Harry claims and the reality are two different things.
 
Hallo girl said:
I am slightly confused by this statement with regards claims of 30 million e mails and other accusations, has this all been proved in court. Or was this what was to be presented in court.
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Most of what this statement claims has not been proven or admitted to. This is Harry's version but not what the settlement itself says. Both parties have now released statements that interpret their final agreement/settlement completely differently.
 
Somebody said:
Most of what this statement claims has not been proven or admitted to. This is Harry's version but not what the settlement itself says. Both parties have now released statements that interpret their final agreement/settlement completely differently.
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From the person who now wants to address misinformation on SM.
 
Hallo girl said:
He didn't achieve it, he walked away. IMO the right thing to do for his financial future, but he cannot claim to be the dragon slayer, in fact as far as I see it, he lost. Once again what Harry claims and the reality are two different things.
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Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.

10 years ago, Rebekah Brooks, the editor at "the Sun" testified that she ran a "clean ship". That is why that newspaper is still in publication, while "News of the World" was shuttered.Now we know that Rebekah Brooks has lied and "The Sun" has committed "unlawful activities".

The police is aware of this, would they take any action? Not even Harry's Father can send Rebekah Brooks to jail.
 
OwlBranch said:
Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.
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As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
 
OwlBranch said:
Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.

10 years ago, Rebekah Brooks, the editor at "the Sun" testified that she ran a "clean ship". That is why that newspaper is still in publication, while "News of the World" was shuttered.Now we know that Rebekah Brooks has lied and "The Sun" has committed "unlawful activities".

The police is aware of this, would they take any action? Not even Harry's Father can send Rebekah Brooks to jail.
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I am not getting into a long drawn out back and forward with you. He wanted the top bodies , he didn’t get them. He could have refused to settle, he didn’t.
This is my opinion.
 
Kenya said:
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
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Thank you, for presenting that so clearly.
 
My impression is that the Sun hasn't admitted any legal wrongdoing - it has said that some acts were done by investigators paid by them but not employees, or their journalists. In effect, as I understand it, both sides have just agreed to walk away and not proceed. NGN has lawyers as good as Harry's - if not better - so they are not going to allow their clients to agree to a settlement to put them on the line legally.

Harry said he wasn't going to walk away - but did. So in that sense he has lost whereas NGN got what they wanted - limiting their group exposure to legal issues and heading them off by settling.

Edit - I bow to Kenya's legal knowledge and it sounds pretty spot on to me.
 
Kenya said:
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
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Thanks for explaining Kenya.

And out of the two parties I suspect NGN's are by far the happier ones.
 
I’d say that Harry is pretty happy too. We don’t know how much NGN have shelled out to both these men, for legal fees plus compensation as per their published apology, but it may well be around ten million +. If Harry has spent five million + on legal fees then these fees will be covered.

However, Harry will be receiving compensation remember from the newspaper group as well. Considering the harassment lasted for several long years, a sum of around three to five million would not be considered exorbitant by most lawyers in such a civil case.

And of course Harry did not realistically expect the news organisation or Murdoch himself to be mortally wounded. They have however been forced to issue a grovelling apology and that would be humiliating for such a newspaper group and newspaper like the Sun which enjoys negativity thrown at Harry in weekly articles. So Harry walked away, but so did NGN, covered in dust.

All the Aussie news articles I’ve seen, including our local TV services, have presented this latest legal settlement as a Harry victory, and these have included usually unsympathetic news outlets.

And Harry will no doubt be proceeding with a Daily Mail civil case next year. He’s already won compensation from the Mirror group a couple of years ago. So something for the DM to look forward to!

I’m sure that those who wish Harry ill would have loved it if he had gone on and perhaps lost the case. They could then have crowed for ever more that he was going be bankrupted by his legal costs. This is not the case today.
 
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Ghost said:
I don’t think there’s anyone at all who wishes him ill, on the contrary. He’s just annoying.
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He’s annoying to some commentators yes, but there are plenty on SM who wish him and his wife and children ill, and their comments are and have been threatening and lying and contemptuous on most occasions since 2016. The comments there in the last 24 hours have verged on hysteria. Wonder why!!
 
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Social media will never be different. It’s also inundated with sugary comments, people have opinions and express them. It’s the current form of the village gossip, only now the village is planetar.
 
Curryong said:
He’s annoying to some commentators yes, but there are plenty on SM who wish him and his wife and children ill, and their comments are and have been threatening and lying and contemptuous on most occasions since 2016. The comments there in the last 24 hours have verged on hysteria. Wonder why!!
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Everybody in the public eye receives a mixture of comments both good, bad and in some cases downright horrible. Harry is not alone in this, it is easy to say do not read them. Not so easy to ignore them.
 
Kenya said:
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this matter.
 
shady lady said:
And out of the two parties I suspect NGN's are by far the happier ones.
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Without knowing the details of the settlement, it's difficult to guess. In an ideal settlement, both parties should walk away simultaneously happy (to resolve the matter without the burden and expense of trial) and disappointed (not getting the full extent of the relief or vindication sought and having had to "back down" from positions taken throughout the duration of the litigation).

From NGN's perspective, I imagine it's happy to avoid the trial, but relatively ambivalent about the settlement. 8 figures is a drop in the bucket to a company that wealthy, and after already settling 1300 other claims, Harry's is just the last in a long line. Plus, the apology is a nothing-burger, as demonstrated by NGN's statement, which makes clear that it's not truly accepting responsibility for the actions of "the investigators" and that it has no intention of changing any current journalistic practices.

I imagine Harry is mostly happy with the settlement. No, he didn't force NGN to truly be accountable to him or the 1300 other victims. But he got NGN to mention his mother in its apology, which probably makes him feel like he's vindicated her somehow.
 
Hallo girl said:
Everybody in the public eye receives a mixture of comments both good, bad and in some cases downright horrible. Harry is not alone in this, it is easy to say do not read them. Not so easy to ignore them.
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True; strange though it is, the anonymous nature (of SM) makes it possible for trolls to indulge themselves by saying things they'd never admit to otherwise. But they tend to simply move on to the next target.
 
I don't really understand this settlement (or even the case ). To me the apology looks the same as the one Harry and William got years ago. What is new?
Also, the last time, William was granted money in a settlement, why didn't Harry get any money then? Isn't this about the same phone hacking that sent some people to prison and closed down the erring paper?
 
Silverpot said:
I don't really understand this settlement (or even the case ). To me the apology looks the same as the one Harry and William got years ago. What is new?
Also, the last time, William was granted money in a settlement, why didn't Harry get any money then? Isn't this about the same phone hacking that sent some people to prison and closed down the erring paper?
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Yes the apology is very much the same. Yes it is about the phone hacking from 1996-2007.
 
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