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I am slightly confused by this statement with regards claims of 30 million e mails and other accusations, has this all been proved in court. Or was this what was to be presented in court.
Most of what this statement claims has not been proven or admitted to. This is Harry's version but not what the settlement itself says. Both parties have now released statements that interpret their final agreement/settlement completely differently.
 
Most of what this statement claims has not been proven or admitted to. This is Harry's version but not what the settlement itself says. Both parties have now released statements that interpret their final agreement/settlement completely differently.
From the person who now wants to address misinformation on SM.
 
He didn't achieve it, he walked away. IMO the right thing to do for his financial future, but he cannot claim to be the dragon slayer, in fact as far as I see it, he lost. Once again what Harry claims and the reality are two different things.
Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.

10 years ago, Rebekah Brooks, the editor at "the Sun" testified that she ran a "clean ship". That is why that newspaper is still in publication, while "News of the World" was shuttered.Now we know that Rebekah Brooks has lied and "The Sun" has committed "unlawful activities".

The police is aware of this, would they take any action? Not even Harry's Father can send Rebekah Brooks to jail.
 
Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
 
Harry did not walk away. Once NGN admitted wrong doing, it is not legally possible for the civil lawsuit to continue.

If someone admitted that they stole a wallet, do you still need to go to trial? Of course not! The next step is to determine punishment. This is a civil case so no one will go to jail even if Harry has won. The loser has to pay damages, which is what NGN agreed to do.

10 years ago, Rebekah Brooks, the editor at "the Sun" testified that she ran a "clean ship". That is why that newspaper is still in publication, while "News of the World" was shuttered.Now we know that Rebekah Brooks has lied and "The Sun" has committed "unlawful activities".

The police is aware of this, would they take any action? Not even Harry's Father can send Rebekah Brooks to jail.
I am not getting into a long drawn out back and forward with you. He wanted the top bodies , he didn’t get them. He could have refused to settle, he didn’t.
This is my opinion.
 
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
Thank you, for presenting that so clearly.
 
My impression is that the Sun hasn't admitted any legal wrongdoing - it has said that some acts were done by investigators paid by them but not employees, or their journalists. In effect, as I understand it, both sides have just agreed to walk away and not proceed. NGN has lawyers as good as Harry's - if not better - so they are not going to allow their clients to agree to a settlement to put them on the line legally.

Harry said he wasn't going to walk away - but did. So in that sense he has lost whereas NGN got what they wanted - limiting their group exposure to legal issues and heading them off by settling.

Edit - I bow to Kenya's legal knowledge and it sounds pretty spot on to me.
 
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
Thanks for explaining Kenya.

And out of the two parties I suspect NGN's are by far the happier ones.
 
I’d say that Harry is pretty happy too. We don’t know how much NGN have shelled out to both these men, for legal fees plus compensation as per their published apology, but it may well be around ten million +. If Harry has spent five million + on legal fees then these fees will be covered.

However, Harry will be receiving compensation remember from the newspaper group as well. Considering the harassment lasted for several long years, a sum of around three to five million would not be considered exorbitant by most lawyers in such a civil case.

And of course Harry did not realistically expect the news organisation or Murdoch himself to be mortally wounded. They have however been forced to issue a grovelling apology and that would be humiliating for such a newspaper group and newspaper like the Sun which enjoys negativity thrown at Harry in weekly articles. So Harry walked away, but so did NGN, covered in dust.

All the Aussie news articles I’ve seen, including our local TV services, have presented this latest legal settlement as a Harry victory, and these have included usually unsympathetic news outlets.

And Harry will no doubt be proceeding with a Daily Mail civil case next year. He’s already won compensation from the Mirror group a couple of years ago. So something for the DM to look forward to!

I’m sure that those who wish Harry ill would have loved it if he had gone on and perhaps lost the case. They could then have crowed for ever more that he was going be bankrupted by his legal costs. This is not the case today.
 
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I don’t think there’s anyone at all who wishes him ill, on the contrary. He’s just annoying.
He’s annoying to some commentators yes, but there are plenty on SM who wish him and his wife and children ill, and their comments are and have been threatening and lying and contemptuous on most occasions since 2016. The comments there in the last 24 hours have verged on hysteria. Wonder why!!
 
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Social media will never be different. It’s also inundated with sugary comments, people have opinions and express them. It’s the current form of the village gossip, only now the village is planetar.
 
He’s annoying to some commentators yes, but there are plenty on SM who wish him and his wife and children ill, and their comments are and have been threatening and lying and contemptuous on most occasions since 2016. The comments there in the last 24 hours have verged on hysteria. Wonder why!!
Everybody in the public eye receives a mixture of comments both good, bad and in some cases downright horrible. Harry is not alone in this, it is easy to say do not read them. Not so easy to ignore them.
 
As an actual lawyer, sorry to say that you're wrong. A settlement means that the facts are never adjudicated. In the eyes of the law, NGN has not admitted to any wrongdoing. NGN is not "the loser" and Harry is not "the winner." Unless a settlement includes some form of injunctive relief (I.e., a legal directive requiring one or both of the parties to either perform or refrain from performing some specific action), the settlement is nothing more than the parties' joint agreement to stop litigating the case.

So legally, yes, Harry did, in fact, walk away. So did NGN.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this matter.
 
And out of the two parties I suspect NGN's are by far the happier ones.
Without knowing the details of the settlement, it's difficult to guess. In an ideal settlement, both parties should walk away simultaneously happy (to resolve the matter without the burden and expense of trial) and disappointed (not getting the full extent of the relief or vindication sought and having had to "back down" from positions taken throughout the duration of the litigation).

From NGN's perspective, I imagine it's happy to avoid the trial, but relatively ambivalent about the settlement. 8 figures is a drop in the bucket to a company that wealthy, and after already settling 1300 other claims, Harry's is just the last in a long line. Plus, the apology is a nothing-burger, as demonstrated by NGN's statement, which makes clear that it's not truly accepting responsibility for the actions of "the investigators" and that it has no intention of changing any current journalistic practices.

I imagine Harry is mostly happy with the settlement. No, he didn't force NGN to truly be accountable to him or the 1300 other victims. But he got NGN to mention his mother in its apology, which probably makes him feel like he's vindicated her somehow.
 
Everybody in the public eye receives a mixture of comments both good, bad and in some cases downright horrible. Harry is not alone in this, it is easy to say do not read them. Not so easy to ignore them.
True; strange though it is, the anonymous nature (of SM) makes it possible for trolls to indulge themselves by saying things they'd never admit to otherwise. But they tend to simply move on to the next target.
 
I don't really understand this settlement (or even the case ). To me the apology looks the same as the one Harry and William got years ago. What is new?
Also, the last time, William was granted money in a settlement, why didn't Harry get any money then? Isn't this about the same phone hacking that sent some people to prison and closed down the erring paper?
 
I don't really understand this settlement (or even the case ). To me the apology looks the same as the one Harry and William got years ago. What is new?
Also, the last time, William was granted money in a settlement, why didn't Harry get any money then? Isn't this about the same phone hacking that sent some people to prison and closed down the erring paper?
Yes the apology is very much the same. Yes it is about the phone hacking from 1996-2007.
 
I don't really understand this settlement (or even the case ). To me the apology looks the same as the one Harry and William got years ago. What is new?
Also, the last time, William was granted money in a settlement, why didn't Harry get any money then? Isn't this about the same phone hacking that sent some people to prison and closed down the erring paper?
The apology admitted illegal activities at "The Sun" which is a different newspaper than the one that shuttered years ago. This is the first time that this entity has admitted unlawful activities. Rebekah Brooks, then editor of "The Sun", once claimed she ran a "clean ship"; but now they admit that she has lied.

The apology also mentioned Diana. This is an interesting point since Diana was not part of the lawsuit. Tom Watson, a form MP, also got an apology and settlement.

 
The apology admitted illegal activities at "The Sun" which is a different newspaper than the one that shuttered years ago. This is the first time that this entity has admitted unlawful activities. Rebekah Brooks, then editor of "The Sun", once claimed she ran a "clean ship"; but now they admit that she has lied.

The apology also mentioned Diana. This is an interesting point since Diana was not part of the lawsuit. Tom Watson, a form MP, also got an apology and settlement.

Where did it say Rebekah Brooke’s lied, I must have missed that part.
 
Heres, a link to an article discussing the law. It seems NGN blinked




Seeing how NGN was open for a settlement from the beginning (fact proved also by the 1300 previous settlements) and that Harry is on record saying that it’s his mission to slay dragons, I’d say the blinker is Harry.
(Also, could a paper be more left leaning?)
 
Where did it say Rebekah Brooke’s lied, I must have missed that part.
In the NPR news report, which is linked in my post, it has a heading that says "News UK's statement contradicts CEO's earlier claim".

It further said: " News UK's statement today undercuts her (aka Rebekah Brooke) statement to Parliament in 2011 about The Sun." which is a very polite way of saying someone lied.
 
In the NPR news report, which is linked in my post, it has a heading that says "News UK's statement contradicts CEO's earlier claim".

It further said: " News UK's statement today undercuts her (aka Rebekah Brooke) statement to Parliament in 2011 about The Sun." which is a very polite way of saying someone lied.
I have no idea whether she lied or not but to be honest that paragraph does not convince me.
If they were that convinced why not say it, just like you did.
 
To lie someone has to know what they said wasn’t true- Rebekah Brooks said the Sun hadn’t done XY and Z and now the Sun’s parent company is saying investigators may have used illegal methods to get information which it passed to the Sun. That can mean either a)both things are true- she didn't know that the info the Sun was getting came from illegal means or b)she knew and lied or c)somewhere in the middle ie not knowing purposefully to maintain plausible deniability
 
The apology admitted illegal activities at "The Sun" which is a different newspaper than the one that shuttered years ago. This is the first time that this entity has admitted unlawful activities. Rebekah Brooks, then editor of "The Sun", once claimed she ran a "clean ship"; but now they admit that she has lied.

The apology also mentioned Diana. This is an interesting point since Diana was not part of the lawsuit. Tom Watson, a form MP, also got an apology and settlement.

The bit about Diana is what confuses me most. It points to the old case making a come back since why else would she be mentioned.
I can't see where the Sun admits to having done anything wrong, they don't mention being involved with illegal activities, neither is Rebekah Brooks mentioned.
 
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