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Another PR opportunity for always attention-seeking Meghan.... Cynical me is thinking that after her so-called cooking show we will be "blessed" with show entitled "Meghan rescuing the world".... ;)
 
So this couple should have done nothing and just stood by? Well, if I had been living anywhere nearby I sure as heck would have been there doing whatever little bit I could, even if it does cause criticism from others. We have bush fires here in Australia (often horrendous ones) practically every year, and everybody tries to lend a hand if they can.
 
So this couple should have done nothing and just stood by? Well, if I had been living anywhere nearby I sure as heck would have been there doing whatever little bit I could, even if it does cause criticism from others. We have bush fires here in Australia (often horrendous ones) practically every year, and everybody tries to lend a hand if they can.

Dear, dear Curryong, I was taught that the good is done without fanfare. When the Royal Family does something publicly (and it comes to mind William and Harry with sacks of sand during the flooding many years ago, William and Catherine packing goods with Fred and Mary at the Red Cross in Copenhagen many years ago, Harry in Nepal many years ago and so on), so when the Royal Family does it publicly they do it to represent the effort of their people. They represent every Brit who has done it, to underline the British effort, good heart and interests.
When Harry and Meghan do it publicly, they only represent themselves. For their own good representation. Pure PR. It is not even to raise money as they don’t accept donations from the public.
 
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Helping like in doing something? I’ve only seen them talking to officials and hugging left and right.
I don’t want to disparage any kind of help offered but to my untrained eyes it seems very self serving.
And I don’t think that any John Doe would have had access in the area or to be able to approach officials. It is their names that gives them the opportunity. That evil RF. Meghan Markle couldn’t have, Princess Markle can.
Yep, yet another publicity opportunity, riding on the coat tails of another disaster. They can't resist. And the cameras there to report it all of course. She has no shame whatsoever. I've seen footage elsewhere where she was clearly unsettled because PH was taking attention away from her. I've also heard - unconfirmed of course - that they were only there for 17 minutes...

Princess Markle eh? :ROFLMAO:

On a serious note, my thoughts remain with the victims of this terrible event.
 
So this couple should have done nothing and just stood by? Well, if I had been living anywhere nearby I sure as heck would have been there doing whatever little bit I could, even if it does cause criticism from others. We have bush fires here in Australia (often horrendous ones) practically every year, and everybody tries to lend a hand if they can.
I'm sorry Curryong, but they are doing it - she is doing it - for publicity IMO. Especially with the show coming out imminently.

Edited to add: I am sure when you give your kind and much appreciated help, you don't assemble a camera crew to record it all. That's because you are doing it out of genuine kindness and a desire to help. You neither need or want publicity or attention. So well done you for doing that! :flowers:
 
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We have now reached a stage with Meghan that we now see her through the lens of opportunism, it is sad that it has came to this. The problem is that due to their own words and deeds there are many people who are totally cynical about their motives. I am one of them.
They arrived with the chief of World Kitchen, giving them a way in with food parcels. Maybe they did bring food / clothes etc from home but the doubt is always there. Unannounced does not mean the press were not tipped off. I did not always have this view of them, I was very supportive , there are posts on this forum that will back that up. I was not turned off by British media in case anybody wants to mention them actually it was by their own words and actions.
I find the whole situation they now find themselves in as sad. For all the wealth and possessions they constantly need to promote themselves even in the middle of tragedy of this scale.
 
On one hand - great they are using their fame to help others by raising awareness which is good. On the other they are doing in the most "royal", PR focussed way possible.

I don't see any reason for the Mayor of anywhere to be accompanying them - I'd expect any officials to have better things to do right now than accompany two celebrities around. Because in this context that is what they are - celebrities. Its noticeable that I saw pictures of Jennifer Garner helping out with World Central Kitchen without anyone accompanying her on a faux royal visit, yes she has used her fame to speak out but she is also doing something useful and meaningful to help. She has lived in Palisades for 25 years and has seen 100s of friends loose their homes and even lost a friend to the fires. So why are Harry and Meghan just visiting WCK and acting like royals rather than rolling up their sleeves and getting stuck in? Why are they being accompanied by officials? Let's also remember this is a good hour and a half from their home - its not like Garner or others who are surrounded by the destruction.

The reason the late Queen was so late visiting Aberfan was because she wouldn't countenance any surviving child or victim in the disaster being missed by officials focussing on her visiting. Even last year Charles took a long time to visit Southport after 3 children were killed and riots ensued to allow the community peace before hosting a royal visit.

I've also heard that they visited some of the affected areas where even the owners of those properties aren't being allowed back in. That makes me feel very uncomfortable as again, its using people's perception of them as "royals" to help their PR.

Again, I think its great they are doing something but, with royalty it is done on behalf of the whole country and is done for pretty selfless reasons. With H&M the fact they aren't representing a country and rely on PR and people knowing them for their commercial projects means no-one can truly feel what they are doing in selfless.

I hadn't even thought about the upcoming Netflix show until it was mentioned here but yes, that certainly adds another edge to it.

I commented pages back when Meghan's new show trailer was released that its great she is doing it because it shows she is seeing herself more as a celebrity than royal - and now she has gone back to trying to make us think they are working like royals. Pick a lane and stay in it.
 
We have now reached a stage with Meghan that we now see her through the lens of opportunism, it is sad that it has came to this. The problem is that due to their own words and deeds there are many people who are totally cynical about their motives. I am one of them.
They arrived with the chief of World Kitchen, giving them a way in with food parcels. Maybe they did bring food / clothes etc from home but the doubt is always there. Unannounced does not mean the press were not tipped off. I did not always have this view of them, I was very supportive , there are posts on this forum that will back that up. I was not turned off by British media in case anybody wants to mention them actually it was by their own words and actions.
I find the whole situation they now find themselves in as sad. For all the wealth and possessions they constantly need to promote themselves even in the middle of tragedy of this scale.
You have summed the situation up perfectly, and my own position exactly. And the British - indeed worldwide - media has had no part whatsoever in me reaching those same conclusions. Like yourself, it is entirely their own words and actions that have led to these.
 
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Why do you think, the Sussexes brought a camera crew with them? In the DM pics can be seen "live" and "CBS". The pics the DM has, are snippets from tv.

To me it looks like the Sussexes went to where the center of the rescue efforts is. And there the cameras were already rolling. And the mayor was there too - Of course!
 
On one hand - great they are using their fame to help others by raising awareness which is good. On the other they are doing in the most "royal", PR focussed way possible.

I don't see any reason for the Mayor of anywhere to be accompanying them - I'd expect any officials to have better things to do right now than accompany two celebrities around. Because in this context that is what they are - celebrities. Its noticeable that I saw pictures of Jennifer Garner helping out with World Central Kitchen without anyone accompanying her on a faux royal visit, yes she has used her fame to speak out but she is also doing something useful and meaningful to help. She has lived in Palisades for 25 years and has seen 100s of friends loose their homes and even lost a friend to the fires. So why are Harry and Meghan just visiting WCK and acting like royals rather than rolling up their sleeves and getting stuck in? Why are they being accompanied by officials? Let's also remember this is a good hour and a half from their home - its not like Garner or others who are surrounded by the destruction.

The reason the late Queen was so late visiting Aberfan was because she wouldn't countenance any surviving child or victim in the disaster being missed by officials focussing on her visiting. Even last year Charles took a long time to visit Southport after 3 children were killed and riots ensued to allow the community peace before hosting a royal visit.

I've also heard that they visited some of the affected areas where even the owners of those properties aren't being allowed back in. That makes me feel very uncomfortable as again, its using people's perception of them as "royals" to help their PR.

Again, I think its great they are doing something but, with royalty it is done on behalf of the whole country and is done for pretty selfless reasons. With H&M the fact they aren't representing a country and rely on PR and people knowing them for their commercial projects means no-one can truly feel what they are doing in selfless.

I hadn't even thought about the upcoming Netflix show until it was mentioned here but yes, that certainly adds another edge to it.

I commented pages back when Meghan's new show trailer was released that its great she is doing it because it shows she is seeing herself more as a celebrity than royal - and now she has gone back to trying to make us think they are working like royals. Pick a lane and stay in it.
I am uncomfortable with the idea that they are being escorted round an area that is allegedly closed off, also I am sure the mayor has higher priorities or at least should have. If this is being offered to them they should say no, why are they not doing practical things like serving food or sorting through clothes.
 
Why do you think, the Sussexes brought a camera crew with them? In the DM pics can be seen "live" and "CBS". The pics the DM has, are snippets from tv.

To me it looks like the Sussexes went to where the center of the rescue efforts is. And there the cameras were already rolling. And the mayor was there too - Of course!
IMO, to try and control how they are seen, and to add useful footage for future projects - for the time being they are still under contract to Netflix and I suspect they are already trying to line up another deal if that one does indeed end in 2025. So taking a camera crew with them is par for the course.

And why is the mayor escorting the pair of them around in any case? Surely he has much more important things to do. And they should not be taken to places that are off limits to people who have a much better reason to be allowed access.
 
Montecito is so far away from where the current fires are located. All of Southern California gets the wind warnings but at no point have the Sussexes been under any Mandatory Evacuation orders nor have they even had any evacuation warnings in their area.
Thank you for the information it is helpful, when you live in another country and do not have a full understanding of the geography of the area or distance it allows us to have a clearer picture.
 
It says ‘food parcels’ in the above report from the Daily Mail. It also states that they visited the wrecked homes of residents and spoke to those who had lived there.
So the British Media is alright today. What is the purpose of the visit? They do not need to draw attention to the situation it is a world wide story,
 
Harry and Meghan went to an an evacuation center set up in Pasadena which is 30 miles from Pacific Palisades.* This is near the fires but it is not ground zero so their presence at that location is not impeding the actual firefighting efforts.

It looks to me that the role that Pasadena and its mayor are playing is providing relief and comfort to displaced people and first responders and he stated that
'They really buoyed the spirits of the first responders. We visited the command post at the Rose Bowl and people were very happy to see them."​

so it seems to me him "escorting" the Sussexes about is in keeping with the role he and his city have taken on.

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* Correction, the Eaton fire is in / near Pasadena, so one of the fires is much closer to the Pasadena Convention Center where Harry and Meghan went.
 
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Harry and Meghan went to an an evacuation center set up in Pasadena which is 30 miles from Pacific Palisades. This is near the fires but it is not ground zero so their presence at that location is not impeding the actual firefighting efforts.

It looks to me that the role that Pasadena and its mayor are playing is providing relief and comfort to displaced people and first responders and he stated that
'They really buoyed the spirits of the first responders. We visited the command post at the Rose Bowl and people were very happy to see them."​

so it seems to me him "escorting" the Sussexes about is in keeping with the role he and his city have taken on.
I do not care who it is other than the President or possibly the Governor, this is an absolute tragedy of unimaginable proportions but all the mayor can do is escort the pseudo royals. Could somebody please tell me what the purpose of the visit is. Yes by all means post messages, donate money, food etc. even be hands on in the canteen or where they are organising donations. They have no authority to do anything or change anything.

Maybe having fire hydrants that worked would have bouyed the first responders.
 
This is a terrible situation in California. The Sussexes are pitching in to help. They are still partners with WCK and Jose Andres I think.Please lets not go down the road of this is a photo op. Not sure how other countries handle disasters but as an American I know we rally around and help anyway we can.
 
A friend of mine lost their house in the Palisades fire, so the last few days have been an absolute nightmare. It’s heartbreaking and surreal seeing the destruction. All of the places we know and love are now gone. Every few hours there is a new evacuation order, and a new area where people have to scramble to get out of the area. We’re all on edge…it’s a scary time right now.

As for the Sussexes, it’s good to see them volunteering. In fact, it’s been heartening to see all of the volunteers (both celebs and non celebs) come together to hand out supplies and food. The devastation is beyond real, so it’s nice to see people step in to help each other.

Having said that, I do have an issue with them being allowed to survey the damage in Altadena. Many of the Altadena residents haven’t even been able to do that yet. The Sheriff and the National Guard are turning them away and not allowing them to go back and get their belongings, or check on their homes and neighborhoods. Yet two private citizens who don’t even live in the area, and aren’t part of the government, have been given priority over the actual residents. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don’t completely blame the Sussexes. City officials are also behind this decision. I don’t understand why they (or the Sussexes) felt this was appropriate. There is a lot of anger right now so this was absolutely not the right move.
 
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This is a terrible situation in California. The Sussexes are pitching in to help. They are still partners with WCK and Jose Andres I think.Please lets not go down the road of this is a photo op. Not sure how other countries handle disasters but as an American I know we rally around and help anyway we can.
I think we all rally round and help, we are fortunate that we do not have the extremes of weather here, but there have been other tragedies and locals have responded , others arranged amazing fund raisers. I do not have a problem with anybody helping but my cynical head will not let me past the point that they have managed to be photographed also articles in their usual outlets about what they are doing. Like others I am uncomfortable with them being escorted around areas that the residents are not allowed to enter, if that is true it is beyond despicable.
 
This is a terrible situation in California. The Sussexes are pitching in to help. They are still partners with WCK and Jose Andres I think.Please lets not go down the road of this is a photo op. Not sure how other countries handle disasters but as an American I know we rally around and help anyway we can.

I am afraid this is a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

A friend of mine lost their house in the Palisades fire, so the last few days have been an absolute nightmare. It’s heartbreaking and surreal seeing the destruction. All of the places we know and love are now gone. Every few hours there is a new evacuation order, and a new area where people have to scramble to get out of the area. We’re all on edge…it’s a scary time right now.

As for the Sussexes, it’s good to see them volunteering. In fact, it’s been heartening to see all of the volunteers (both celebs and non celebs) come together to hand out supplies and food. The devastation is beyond real, so it’s nice to see people step in to help each other.

Having said that, I do have an issue with them being allowed to survey the damage in Altadena. Many of the Altadena residents haven’t even been able to do that yet. The Sheriff and the National Guard are turning them away and not allowing them to go back and get their belongings, or check on their homes and neighborhoods. Yet two private citizens who don’t even live in the area, and aren’t part of the government, have been given priority over the actual residents. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don’t completely blame the Sussexes. City officials are also behind this descion. I don’t understand why they (or the Sussexes) felt this was appropriate. There is a lot of anger right now so this was absolutely not the right move.

I am so sorry to hear that soapstar :( I cannot begin to imagine what it must feel like. Please look after yourselves at this dreadful time.

I think we all rally round and help, we are fortunate that we do not have the extremes of weather here, but there have been other tragedies and locals have responded , others arranged amazing fund raisers. I do not have a problem with anybody helping but my cynical head will not let me past the point that they have managed to be photographed also articles in their usual outlets about what they are doing. Like others I am uncomfortable with them being escorted around areas that the residents are not allowed to enter, if that is true it is beyond despicable.

Agree entirely. Real philanthropists quietly do what is required without the need for camera crews or publicising what they are doing.
 
Having said that, I do have an issue with them being allowed to survey the damage in Altadena. Many of the Altadena residents haven’t even been able to do that yet. The Sheriff and the National Guard are turning them away and not allowing them to go back and get their belongings, or check on their homes and neighborhoods. Yet two private citizens who don’t even live in the area, and aren’t part of the government, have been given priority over the actual residents. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don’t completely blame the Sussexes. City officials are also behind this descion. I don’t understand why they (or the Sussexes) felt this was appropriate. There is a lot of anger right now so this was absolutely not the right move.
This occurred to me too. I could be wrong but I assume that the Sussexes did not get a private visit but rather accompanied officials during an already scheduled tour as a way to bring attention to Altadena. There are so many communities impacted, it must be very tempting for officials to try to focus the spotlight on the people they serve.

Maybe they do have ulterior motives but the people Harry and Meghan met seemed to be buoyed by the visit. They could have just stayed home but instead, they have joined other celebrities to offer some comfort.
 
Agree entirely. Real philanthropists quietly do what is required without the need for camera crews or publicising what they are doing.
I understand but there are people who get a morale boost when celebrities show up to offer comfort. It provides a psychological benefit when people feel that famous person cares about them.
 
A friend of mine lost their house in the Palisades fire, so the last few days have been an absolute nightmare. It’s heartbreaking and surreal seeing the destruction. All of the places we know and love are now gone. Every few hours there is a new evacuation order, and a new area where people have to scramble to get out of the area. We’re all on edge…it’s a scary time right now.

As for the Sussexes, it’s good to see them volunteering. In fact, it’s been heartening to see all of the volunteers (both celebs and non celebs) come together to hand out supplies and food. The devastation is beyond real, so it’s nice to see people step in to help each other.

Having said that, I do have an issue with them being allowed to survey the damage in Altadena. Many of the Altadena residents haven’t even been able to do that yet. The Sheriff and the National Guard are turning them away and not allowing them to go back and get their belongings, or check on their homes and neighborhoods. Yet two private citizens who don’t even live in the area, and aren’t part of the government, have been given priority over the actual residents. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don’t completely blame the Sussexes. City officials are also behind this decision. I don’t understand why they (or the Sussexes) felt this was appropriate. There is a lot of anger right now so this was absolutely not the right move.
I agree. My own family members had to evacuate due to the Eaton fire. I would be seriously asking questions to my elected officials as to why celebrities are allowed to tour the area when impacted residents cannot go there. For now those who can gain access to these sites should be limited to first responders (fire, police, National Guard etc..), elected officials and limited members of the media.
Had they simply made a donation of any kind from Montecito, I'd have been very pleased to see them assisting.
 
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The Suxesses have become a very explosive and controversial topic. Personally, ever since they publicly discredited the British royal family, I've been done with them. I can well imagine that there were many rules that no longer fit in with modern times. However, I have always found it very unsympathetic that they made the “dirty laundry”, which exists in almost every family, public and also exploit it financially.
But enough of that.

I can understand the criticism of their behavior during the fire disaster in California. On the other hand, if they hadn't spoken out and done something, but instead stayed in their million-dollar mansion because they weren't personally affected? The international shitstorm would have been much worse.
Sometimes I think they can do whatever they want, they will only ever reap criticism. And that, unfortunately, is their own fault
 
A friend of mine lost their house in the Palisades fire, so the last few days have been an absolute nightmare. It’s heartbreaking and surreal seeing the destruction. All of the places we know and love are now gone. Every few hours there is a new evacuation order, and a new area where people have to scramble to get out of the area. We’re all on edge…it’s a scary time right now.

As for the Sussexes, it’s good to see them volunteering. In fact, it’s been heartening to see all of the volunteers (both celebs and non celebs) come together to hand out supplies and food. The devastation is beyond real, so it’s nice to see people step in to help each other.

Having said that, I do have an issue with them being allowed to survey the damage in Altadena. Many of the Altadena residents haven’t even been able to do that yet. The Sheriff and the National Guard are turning them away and not allowing them to go back and get their belongings, or check on their homes and neighborhoods. Yet two private citizens who don’t even live in the area, and aren’t part of the government, have been given priority over the actual residents. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don’t completely blame the Sussexes. City officials are also behind this decision. I don’t understand why they (or the Sussexes) felt this was appropriate. There is a lot of anger right now so this was absolutely not the right move.
Keep safe. We cannot offer practical or hands on help from our end, but believe me the world is thinking of you all.
 
This occurred to me too. I could be wrong but I assume that the Sussexes did not get a private visit but rather accompanied officials during an already scheduled tour as a way to bring attention to Altadena. There are so many communities impacted, it must be very tempting for officials to try to focus the spotlight on the people they serve.

Maybe they do have ulterior motives but the people Harry and Meghan met seemed to be buoyed by the visit. They could have just stayed home but instead, they have joined other celebrities to offer some comfort.
With all due respect, we’re seeing images of the destruction in real time, so the Sussexes aren’t actually bringing attention to anything. There was no need for them to be given a tour of the evacuation area. They’re not elected officials. They’re not bringing awareness to the situation. They’re not bringing needed supplies to fight the fires. Their presence at the disaster area wasn’t needed. TMZ said they came with their team and I think the mayor, so this was definitely more of a private visit.

And I’m sure some people did appreciate seeing them, but most residents just want to go home. They want to go back to see if there is anything left of their lives. To grab mementos, or medicine (my friend is dealing with this right now). Yet they’re being turned away, while two private citizens are being escorted around town like they’re elected officials. It’s beyond infuriating.

Here is an article that talks about the frustration many Altadena residents feel.


There is a time and place when it comes to visiting disaster areas. You don’t go when the residents still haven’t been able to process what’s going on. You don’t go when the area is still volatile. The Eaton and Palisades fires are less than 15% contained. It’s going to take weeks to put out them out. Our local news is saying the winds are going to strengthen again next week, which means continued fire hazard. It’s still a dangerous situation.

If the Sussexes insist on doing these faux royals visits, then they need to learn when it’s an appropriate time to visit a disaster area. Volunteering is fine. I applaud them for that. What I object to is them touring impacted areas before the residents.

I am so sorry to hear that soapstar :( I cannot begin to imagine what it must feel like. Please look after yourselves at this dreadful time.
Thank you, shady lady.

I agree. My own family members had to evacuate due to the Eaton fire. I would be seriously asking questions as to why celebrities are allowed to tour the area when impacted residents cannot go there.
Exactly. It wasn’t appropriate time for them to go.

I really hope your family members are safe and holding up okay, TLLK.
 
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With all due respect, we’re seeing images of the destruction in real time, so the Sussexes aren’t actually bringing attention to anything. There was no need for them to be given a tour of the evacuation area. They’re not elected officials. They’re not bringing awareness to the situation. They’re not bringing needed supplies to fight the fires. Their presence at the disaster area wasn’t needed. TMZ said they came with their team and I think the mayor, so this was definitely more of a private visit.

And I’m sure some people did appreciate seeing them, but most residents just want to go home. They want to go back to see if there is anything left of their lives. To grab mementos, or medicine (my friend is dealing with this right now). Yet they’re being turned away, while two private citizens are being escorted around town like they’re elected officials. It’s beyond infuriating.

Here is an article that talks about the frustration many Altadena residents feel.


There is a time and place when it comes to visiting disaster areas. You don’t go when the residents still haven’t been able to process what’s going on. You don’t go when the area is still volatile. The Eaton and Palisades fires are less than 15% contained. It’s going to take weeks to put out them out. Our local news is saying the winds are going to strengthen again next week, which means continued fire hazard. It’s still a dangerous situation.

If the Sussexes insist on doing these faux royals visits, then they need to learn when it’s an appropriate time to visit a disaster area. Volunteering is fine. I applaud them for that. What I object to is them touring impacted areas before the residents.


Thank you, shady lady.


Exactly. It wasn’t appropriate time for them to go.

I really hope your family members are safe and holding up okay, TLLK.
Thank you soapstar. As you mentioned in your post, this is still an active disaster. High winds are coming tomorrow and while my family are okay now, their home and fully occupied rental properties are still in the danger zone of the Eaton fire. Their tenants are in danger too. Add to that there's now ample evidence that some of these fires were arson related, I'd like to point out that this entire region of Southern California from Santa Barbara Co. to the Mexican border could explode. Our resources are stretched very, very thin even with aid and assistance from our neighboring states and Mexico.
I am absolutely livid that celebrities are being given access by city officials to the fire zone when residents cannot access their own homes.:mad: The Sussexes could have declined that portion of their visit but instead they chose to go and ensure that they were filmed/photographed.
I'm going to back out of this thread for the time being.
 
I am always interested in how such meetings with mayors or other officially responsible persons come about. You and I would certainly not have a meeting with the governor or mayor or any other important person with responsibility in this disaster. So, Harry and Meghan contacted these officials in advance, thanks to their status. And this status is solely due to the fact that Harry is the son of the King of England. And everyone knows that, even in the USA. Meghan alone, were she not his wife, would probably have no significance and would not have the same status that she has gained through her marriage.
That's just a fact, and that's how the world works!
 
Soapstar and TLLK, all my thoughts for you, your dear ones and all those affected. I’m not interested in the celebrities affected as they have ample resources, but “the commoners”, my heart is going to them.
 
I understand but there are people who get a morale boost when celebrities show up to offer comfort. It provides a psychological benefit when people feel that famous person cares about them.
I am sorry but if I was homeless, left with the clothes I stood up in, the last thing I would want are celebrities using my situation to boost their egos and their popularity.

I am always interested in how such meetings with mayors or other officially responsible persons come about. You and I would certainly not have a meeting with the governor or mayor or any other important person with responsibility in this disaster. So, Harry and Meghan contacted these officials in advance, thanks to their status. And this status is solely due to the fact that Harry is the son of the King of England. And everyone knows that, even in the USA. Meghan alone, were she not his wife, would probably have no significance and would not have the same status that she has gained through her marriage.
That's just a fact, and that's how the world works!
The royal family they want nothing to do with. The irony .
 
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