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I'm sorry but I disagree that the Sussex photo has been photoshopped, it's just a poor quality image. Meghan is leaning forward, her arm is extended and her hand is blocked by Archie's head. Her feet appear to be facing forward however she most likely has twisted to her left at the waist in order to greet her son. There does not appear to be any disturbance to the background (apart from terrible pixellation). Again, the perspective in the photo makes everything appear totally skewed. [.....] Personally I think a little tweaking is fine if it cleans up an image, although I think this one would have been very hard to work with due to the quality.
 
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I think it was mostly expected to be a flop. Ever since it was announced, people thought it seemed to niche and unrelatable to most audiences. And I don't think a show has to be relatable to be popular. I'm sure most people don't relate to the wealth and drama of the Real Housewives franchise here in the States, but those shows are nonetheless very popular. But if a subject matter is unrelatable to most viewers, I think it has to compensate for that by being fun or interesting. Based on the reviews I've read, Polo was neither.
 
Apparently the Netflix bosses wanted a lot more of Harry in every episode and they were disappointed they didn’t get it. He appeared very very briefly in the first episode. I don’t know why five episodes were made. If it had been an hour and a half show, short and snappy, instead of a series, it would probably have been better.

Nor did the Sussexes promote it. Apparently their Netflix contracts specify they don’t have to promote any shows they make.

And this show wasn’t actually made by them anyway. They were executive producers which means, I guess, that they just signed off on it. I don’t think either had much interest in the show, quite frankly, although a couple of their friends appeared in the series. It is what it is, and the Sussexes get money per content produced, so they’ll be paid well anyway.
 
The whole family picture is an oddity. Harry looks like he has no beard, size wise Lili looks like she is several years older than her brother while Archie looks smaller than expected for a child of his age, and even the dogs don't look at all engaged in what is happening around them. To cap it off, it's the worst quality photo in the bunch, so photoshopped that it's sharpness and clarity are blurred.
 
And this show wasn’t actually made by them anyway. They were executive producers which means, I guess, that they just signed off on it. I don’t think either had much interest in the show, quite frankly, although a couple of their friends appeared in the series.
Not according to the director, who insists "they were extremely hands-on" and gave him all sorts of suggestions.

But if it is true that they had little input and little interest in promoting it, that's all the more reason for both parties to simply run out the clock on their contract until it expires in 2025.
 
Not according to the director, who insists "they were extremely hands-on" and gave him all sorts of suggestions.

But if it is true that they had little input and little interest in promoting it, that's all the more reason for both parties to simply run out the clock on their contract until it expires in 2025.

I don't trust anything said in People magazine about the Sussex because in the past the magazine has only served to cover them a favorite fluff article filler in their issues. People magazine is as credible as Oprah.

Apparently, the Netflix bosses wanted a lot more of Harry in every episode and they were disappointed they didn’t get it. He appeared very very briefly in the first episode. I don’t know why five episodes were made. If it had been an hour and a half show, short and snappy, instead of a series, it would probably have been better.

Nor did the Sussexes promote it. Apparently, their Netflix contracts specify they don’t have to promote any shows they make.

And this show wasn’t actually made by them anyway. They were executive producers which means, I guess, that they just signed off on it. I don’t think either had much interest in the show, quite frankly, although a couple of their friends appeared in the series. It is what it is, and the Sussexes get money per content produced, so they’ll be paid well anyway.

I believe that. Netflix got them as executive producers to market the show under them and attract viewers to watch everything hoping for the couple to show up every other moment. It's a basic lie to get ratings and in the end, it just gets viewers mad in disappointment. But as 'exec producers' if the show gets nominations or awards it will be Harry and Meghan marketed front and center on the red carpet, the table and to pick up an award they had little to do for, except phoning in their participation.

Problem is in the USA the couple's aura has faded away and no one cares much to see them anymore. Basically, the novelty wore off on this side of the Atlantic. And Meghan specifically is associated, for better or worse, with people that are no longer viewed as role models but as opportunistic and/or just mean like Ellen Degeneres and Oprah. The ones who gave them a platform are disliked for their participation and manipulation in the world of USA politics and unfortunately this rubs off on Meghan.

When the Hollywood Elite and elitists that once helped her get into shows and events is viewed by the majority of the USA as toxic, Meghan has been left behind with no platform left except People magazine.
 

EXCLUSIVE 'Suspicious' Prince Harry accuses NYPD of cover-up in unseen emails demanding arrests
By DANIEL BATES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 09:24 EST, 20 December 2024
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Emails obtained by DailyMail.com through a Freedom of Information request show that Harry's team repeatedly pressed the NYPD about the incident.

The first letter from the NYPD was dated September 18, 2023, and was addressed to Richard Smith, the Chief Superintendent Commander for Royalty and Specialty Protection at the Metropolitan Police in London.

The letter says that a thorough review of the incident had taken place and they concluded 'that the behavior in question was reckless', but they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

In a statement at the time, the NYPD said there were 'numerous photographers that made their (the Sussexes) transport challenging'.
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Then, on December 6, Hart sent the second letter to police in London, copying it to TouchStone under the subject line 'as discussed'.

The letter was the same as the first, with one key difference - there was now 'sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for reckless endangerment'.

The second letter appeared to provide a sense of vindication for the Sussexes and arrived at a crucial time for the Duke.

December 6 was the second day of a three-day hearing at the High Court in London where he was trying to compel the British government to give him full royal security protection while on visits to the UK.
[...]
The judge wrote that he considered the letter as part of an 'important point' about the potential danger posed to Harry and his family by paparazzi. But ultimately the judge rejected Harry's demands and ruled the British government did not have to give him the same level of security he enjoyed when he was a working royal.
 
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EXCLUSIVE 'Suspicious' Prince Harry accuses NYPD of cover-up in unseen emails demanding arrests
By DANIEL BATES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 09:24 EST, 20 December 2024
[...]
Emails obtained by DailyMail.com through a Freedom of Information request show that Harry's team repeatedly pressed the NYPD about the incident.

The first letter from the NYPD was dated September 18, 2023, and was addressed to Richard Smith, the Chief Superintendent Commander for Royalty and Specialty Protection at the Metropolitan Police in London.

The letter says that a thorough review of the incident had taken place and they concluded 'that the behavior in question was reckless', but they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

In a statement at the time, the NYPD said there were 'numerous photographers that made their (the Sussexes) transport challenging'.
[...]
Then, on December 6, Hart sent the second letter to police in London, copying it to TouchStone under the subject line 'as discussed'.

The letter was the same as the first, with one key difference - there was now 'sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for reckless endangerment'.

The second letter appeared to provide a sense of vindication for the Sussexes and arrived at a crucial time for the Duke.

December 6 was the second day of a three-day hearing at the High Court in London where he was trying to compel the British government to give him full royal security protection while on visits to the UK.
[...]
The judge wrote that he considered the letter as part of an 'important point' about the potential danger posed to Harry and his family by paparazzi. But ultimately the judge rejected Harry's demands and ruled the British government did not have to give him the same level of security he enjoyed when he was a working royal.


That explains the “incident” in New York: he needed something like that for his demand of RPO in UK and possibly to have the IPP status (back).
 

EXCLUSIVE 'Suspicious' Prince Harry accuses NYPD of cover-up in unseen emails demanding arrests
By DANIEL BATES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 09:24 EST, 20 December 2024
[...]
Emails obtained by DailyMail.com through a Freedom of Information request show that Harry's team repeatedly pressed the NYPD about the incident.

The first letter from the NYPD was dated September 18, 2023, and was addressed to Richard Smith, the Chief Superintendent Commander for Royalty and Specialty Protection at the Metropolitan Police in London.

The letter says that a thorough review of the incident had taken place and they concluded 'that the behavior in question was reckless', but they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

In a statement at the time, the NYPD said there were 'numerous photographers that made their (the Sussexes) transport challenging'.
[...]
Then, on December 6, Hart sent the second letter to police in London, copying it to TouchStone under the subject line 'as discussed'.

The letter was the same as the first, with one key difference - there was now 'sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for reckless endangerment'.

The second letter appeared to provide a sense of vindication for the Sussexes and arrived at a crucial time for the Duke.

December 6 was the second day of a three-day hearing at the High Court in London where he was trying to compel the British government to give him full royal security protection while on visits to the UK.
[...]
The judge wrote that he considered the letter as part of an 'important point' about the potential danger posed to Harry and his family by paparazzi. But ultimately the judge rejected Harry's demands and ruled the British government did not have to give him the same level of security he enjoyed when he was a working royal.
Why did the NYPD think they had to send explanation letters to the Royal and Specialty Protection branch at the London Metropolitan Police when Harry is no longer protected by the latter? Did Harry misrepresent his status to the NYPD leading them to believe he is an internationally protected person or similar?
 
Why did the NYPD think they had to send explanation letters to the Royal and Specialty Protection branch at the London Metropolitan Police when Harry is no longer protected by the latter? Did Harry misrepresent his status to the NYPD leading them to believe he is an internationally protected person or similar?
More like just making a point to them. I feel really sorry for him. He's a person who is miles from all he knew. Alot of his friends dropped him. He doesn't get on with his family. And he is convinced people have something against him. All his own choice. All that therapy was a waste.
 
The whole family picture is an oddity. Harry looks like he has no beard, size wise Lili looks like she is several years older than her brother while Archie looks smaller than expected for a child of his age, and even the dogs don't look at all engaged in what is happening around them. To cap it off, it's the worst quality photo in the bunch, so photoshopped that it's sharpness and clarity are blurred.
Quite right, its all very odd. I have no doubt a better family photo could have been found.
 
Why did the NYPD think they had to send explanation letters to the Royal and Specialty Protection branch at the London Metropolitan Police when Harry is no longer protected by the latter? Did Harry misrepresent his status to the NYPD leading them to believe he is an internationally protected person or similar?
I wonder if he did try to misrepresent his status to the NYPD? IMHO they've been wanting that status from the moment they departed the UK in 2020.
 
It is not a good look if as suggested he pressured the police department.was there ever any footage of the car chase. with all the modern technology, between smart phones and cctv there would have been a chance that something would be recorded some where.
 

EXCLUSIVE 'Suspicious' Prince Harry accuses NYPD of cover-up in unseen emails demanding arrests
By DANIEL BATES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 09:24 EST, 20 December 2024
[...]
Emails obtained by DailyMail.com through a Freedom of Information request show that Harry's team repeatedly pressed the NYPD about the incident.

The first letter from the NYPD was dated September 18, 2023, and was addressed to Richard Smith, the Chief Superintendent Commander for Royalty and Specialty Protection at the Metropolitan Police in London.

The letter says that a thorough review of the incident had taken place and they concluded 'that the behavior in question was reckless', but they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest.

In a statement at the time, the NYPD said there were 'numerous photographers that made their (the Sussexes) transport challenging'.
[...]
Then, on December 6, Hart sent the second letter to police in London, copying it to TouchStone under the subject line 'as discussed'.

The letter was the same as the first, with one key difference - there was now 'sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for reckless endangerment'.

The second letter appeared to provide a sense of vindication for the Sussexes and arrived at a crucial time for the Duke.

December 6 was the second day of a three-day hearing at the High Court in London where he was trying to compel the British government to give him full royal security protection while on visits to the UK.
[...]
The judge wrote that he considered the letter as part of an 'important point' about the potential danger posed to Harry and his family by paparazzi. But ultimately the judge rejected Harry's demands and ruled the British government did not have to give him the same level of security he enjoyed when he was a working royal.

This is going to backfire on them so bad! You don't mess with the NYC police that is making the best they can to help you move from point A to point B while they are also in charge of a physically tiny 300.46 square miles (778.2 km2) city with over 8,258,035 (Eight Million +) people. The NYC Mayor and the NYC police dept are not going to be quiet about this.

And to make it worst, the NYC mayor is currently embroiled in his own drama and seeking the president elect to help him out of it. As in the president elect that is no fan of Harry and Meghan.
These accusations from Harry, who seems to be in a perennial state of persecution, are bound to escalate and not in a good way for him.
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Here are how the news is picking it up during the past few hrs.:

Prince Harry Suspects NYPD covered up MM paparazzi car incident
From the beginning, the NYPD downplayed the Sussexes’ claims of being relentlessly pursued by aggressive paparazzi for over two hours, during which multiple near collisions allegedly occurred.​
The department clarified at the time that there were no reported collisions, injuries, or arrests.

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Prince Harry pressured NYPD to make arrests over ‘high-speed car chase’
Prince Harry demanded that New York police arrest the paparazzi he accused of chasing his car through Manhattan, new documents appear to reveal.​
The Duke of Sussex accused the New York Police Department of a “cover-up” and threatened to file an official complaint...
If you've been to NYC and walked the streets you will realize quickly why people walk from place to place or call a cab, take the subway or a horse carriage, etc. There is no space left, you can't drive a car without taking your feet off the brake because nothing in front of you moves fast. Maybe in the 1910's when Al Capone lived in NY you could do a car chase on a Model T. Today there's no space above ground to have a car do a chase.
 
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If you've been to NYC and walked the streets you will realize quickly why people walk from place to place or call a cab, take the subway or a horse carriage, etc. There is no space left, you can't drive a car without taking your feet off the brake because nothing in front of you moves fast. Maybe in the 1910's when Al Capone lived in NY you could do a car chase on a Model T. Today there's no space above ground to have a car do a chase.
Exactly! NYC gridlock is notorious; it takes an hour to drive around the block.
Even the mayor said a reference to a car chase is hard to believe.
Wasn't one reporter simply riding a bicycle?
 
The whole family picture is an oddity. Harry looks like he has no beard, size wise Lili looks like she is several years older than her brother while Archie looks smaller than expected for a child of his age, and even the dogs don't look at all engaged in what is happening around them. To cap it off, it's the worst quality photo in the bunch, so photoshopped that it's sharpness and clarity are blurred.
I've worked in Photoshop for 20 years plus. This is my take on the family photo. It's been taken from a very long way off giving the image a foreshortened effect which is why the little girl looks bigger than the wee boy. Because it was taken from such a long distance then the excess scenery around the family group will have been cropped. It's very low resolution, whether or not that's deliberate or resampled I don't know. There's not much digital information with such a poor quality image and what's there might well be fuzzy, which is why I suspect 'unsharp mask' has been overly used in order to sharpen up the image to make it print better. This is probably what has given a halo effect around the individuals. I have no idea what has been done to improve the image but the only thing I can say with certainty that three dogs in such a situation (where the people are all actively engaged and the kids running around) would never stand still. They'd all be leaping about with excitement. That does not exist in this photo. That is what is suspect to me and I therefore don't believe it is a completely unaltered image. The whole card is self-serving and self-promoting. This is just my personal opinion. I liked the one a couple of years back when the little girl was a baby. That was lovely. They could have done the same thing with the children in profile, or partial profile, if they don't want to show the world what the children look like full on. This is H&M's right; it's their card, they can do what they want. But they won't escape criticism supplying a card like this 2024 one. And I think they could have covered all bases by writing on it 'Merry Christmas' as well as 'Happy Holidays' and I think there is a Jewish one at this time of year too, and there may be others. Everybody might have been happy with that. Or not. We all have such wildly different, and valid, ideas and points of view, no one more important than the next.

I do hope H&M and children, dogs and chickens, have a lovely time over what I refer to as the Christmas & New Year break.
 
Characterizing what happened as a "near catastrophic" event was exaggeration and manipulation on Harry's part, and I think this is more Harry than Meghan. I am also recalling that there was no reporting of what happened that evening until until Team Sussex *cough**Harry**cough* issued the statement with the memorable phrasing. And from there it looks like Harry strong-armed the NYPD into making statements about what happened and how the NYPD will act differently going forward. It looks like Harry was not satisfied with what the NYPD came up with the first round and stayed on them to make stronger statements.'

Here's my thing, the NYPD is stating that there was reckless behavior and that they will make adjustments for future visits. In some of sentences, the term "parties" is used, so the NYPD may think that all sides involved played a role in the "incident" To me NYPD stating that they will make adjustments for future visits does not translate to the "smoking gun" that means the powers that be in the UK need to do anything differently than what they were already doing,

Yes it is a sad fact that there are people out there who have threatened one or both Sussexes and they need protection. If you want to deem what happened in New York as a failure, it was a failure to do paparazzi control and maybe crowd control. Now do you want me to believe of all the police departments out there that the NYPD does not know how to manage crowds and paparazzi?!? To me I see the claim that they will make adjustments is like stating that they miscalculated and provided the Sussexes bronze level security when they should have provided silver or gold.

Harry is based in California and travels. What the situation is now with the UK is inform the UK authorities of his plans and they will evaluate and protect Harry and his family accordingly. If the Sussexes have to go to NYC, I suspect the same thing, alert the NYC folks and they will plan accordingly. What does that mean, it means that Harry's well paid private security may have spend even more time coordinating with the NYPD to make sure things go smoother. If that does result in better peace of mind for Harry and less hectic experiences, then good. I wonder if along with this adjustments will there be added "costs" in terms of constraints and perhaps the NYPD recommending that Harry increase his private security.

One of the things that has always nagged at me is that, while it is true that there have been threats made against the Sussexes, the type of threat that there seems the most intensity around is the threat posed by the paparazzi, specifically the paparazzi who will engage in reckless behavior to get their shot or provoke a reaction. To me this represents a fairly low threat level that can be handled by the principal's private security in coordination with local law enforcement. So I continue to be perplexed by Harry's being so adamant that he and his family must have guaranteed protection by the Metropolitan Police whilst in the UK, but that his private security is sufficient to protect him / coordinate his protection in other locations, some of which carry travel advisories. I better get the comments that Harry wants IPP status, not just for ego or even genuine concern for his and his family's safety*, but also that he wants the designation in hopes that the UK government will start funding what he has been personally funding.

* To be clear the security threats are real and Harry and Meghan are rightfully concerned, but the disconnect is that, in the global information / boundary-less information age we live in, that there is grave concern about threats whilst on UK soil that court cases are filed, but that threats in other locations are manageable.
 
It sounds like Harry may have PTSD related to his mother's death which makes Harry's perceived safety paramount. I'm glad NYC will help coordinate Harry's safety next time he visits, moreso to alleviate his perceived fears as well as any actual real threats. I feel somewhat sorry for Harry. If Harry and Meghan hadn't behaved so ghastly to his family he might have retained some security detail and other benefits.
 
Harry is based in California and travels. What the situation is now with the UK is inform the UK authorities of his plans and they will evaluate and protect Harry and his family accordingly. If the Sussexes have to go to NYC, I suspect the same thing, alert the NYC folks and they will plan accordingly. What does that mean, it means that Harry's well paid private security may have spend even more time coordinating with the NYPD to make sure things go smoother. If that does result in better peace of mind for Harry and less hectic experiences, then good. I wonder if along with this adjustments will there be added "costs" in terms of constraints and perhaps the NYPD recommending that Harry increase his private security.
I don't get this. Harry is not in the UK anymore and is not an internationally protected person. He has no special legal or constitutional status in the United States. Why should the NYPD or any other police department in the US make special plans to protect him when he announces a visit to the ciity that is under that department's jurisdiction? Ordinary US citizens like Meghan or non-citizen residents like Harry don't get customized police protection, nor is the police under any obligation to draw up special plans for their security.

I understand that is difficult for Harry to grasp because, as the son of the heir to the throne (and now the Sovereign) of a monarchy, he has had a special status and precedence for his entire life and is used to it. But he gave up that status and precedence when he decided to leave his kingdom so that he and his wife could make a profit in commercial enterprises in the United States. One cannot have the cake and eat it and Harry must live with the consequences of his own choices.
 
It sounds like Harry may have PTSD related to his mother's death which makes Harry's perceived safety paramount. I'm glad NYC will help coordinate Harry's safety next time he visits, moreso to alleviate his perceived fears as well as any actual real threats. I feel somewhat sorry for Harry. If Harry and Meghan hadn't behaved so ghastly to his family he might have retained some security detail and other benefits.
Just for balance the security was removed because he no longer wished to be a working royal, although if and when he visits the uk it will be assessed and probably reinstated for the duration of the visit. It had nothing to do with his treatment of his family as RAVEC is independent of the monarchy or the sovereign.
What I will say is that he lost the goodwill of the British public with his personal attacks on his family. Once again public opinion doesn’t decide the security issue but the general public are now more aware of the security issue and the costs because of his court cases.
I am pretty sure that if the security is reinstated with the British taxpayer bearing the brunt of the cost it will have wide ranging consequences. Our present government continually tell us that there is a black hole to be sorted and there is no spare money.
 
Exactly. I doubt the British public knew they were paying for protection for Salmon Rushdie for many years for example. As there was a fatah on him. Or knew they were protecting Ian Paisley in the Republic of Ireland whe. He was visiting over Good Friday. Both security arrangements equivalent to the president of the United States and absolutely terrifying in the intensity.
 
Exactly. I doubt the British public knew they were paying for protection for Salmon Rushdie for many years for example. As there was a fatah on him. Or knew they were protecting Ian Paisley in the Republic of Ireland whe. He was visiting over Good Friday. Both security arrangements equivalent to the president of the United States and absolutely terrifying in the intensity.
The majority of people probably expect high profile politicians/ royales etc to receive security at the tax payers expense but do not really think about it , treat it as par for the course. It is when it is flagged up as Harry has done with his court case that the media pick up on it etc etc.
 
I don't get this. Harry is not in the UK anymore and is not an internationally protected person. He has no special legal or constitutional status in the United States. Why should the NYPD or any other police department in the US make special plans to protect him when he announces a visit to the ciity that is under that department's jurisdiction? Ordinary US citizens like Meghan or non-citizen residents like Harry don't get customized police protection, nor is the police under any obligation to draw up special plans for their security.

I understand that is difficult for Harry to grasp because, as the son of the heir to the throne (and now the Sovereign) of a monarchy, he has had a special status and precedence for his entire life and is used to it. But he gave up that status and precedence when he decided to leave his kingdom so that he and his wife could make a profit in commercial enterprises in the United States. One cannot have the cake and eat it and Harry must live with the consequences of his own choices.
It does not begin and end with IPP status. Harry and Meghan are known people who participate in public events and as such local law enforcement may need to be involved, not just to protect them but to protect the public and maintain order.

In my (rather lengthy :blush:) previous post, I did not state that the Sussexes should get customized police protection, I characterized the statement from the NYPD official that they will make adjustments to mean that perhaps they miscalculated and gave Harry and Meghan the "bronze" security package and that they should have gotten the silver or gold. So no customization, but yes a higher level of security that the NYPD is more than adept at handling.

Let's take the royal connection out of it. Harry and Meghan cut an album, or whatever it is called these days, and the album is a world-wide phenomenon, several hit songs and they need to go to cities in the US, Europe and Asia for performances and promotional activities. For this tour, their record company is handling security. The record company's security will contact the local authorities to make sure their talent is safe and order is maintained. You are not going to have it announced that Harry and Meghan will be at Paddington Station or Times Square or the Harajuku district and expect their LA based security to manage and / or be the only security presence.
 
Exactly! NYC gridlock is notorious; it takes an hour to drive around the block.
Even the mayor said a reference to a car chase is hard to believe.
Wasn't one reporter simply riding a bicycle?
The only car chases I've seen in NYC were taxicabs trying to get from a green light to the next block's red light.

And speaking of NYC just to shift gears on this car chase and back to the card and Polo, the local newspaper NY Post has not cared to report on this new accusation against the police but it sure had a lot to say about Polo and their don't-say-Christmas card:

Harry & Meghan can’t read the room — and their ‘Polo’ dud and try-hard Christmas card prove it again

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle like their holiday cheer with an extra bit of virtue signaling...They are humanitarians here to save the world, whether the world wants them or not.
...“This series offers audiences an unprecedented, behind-the-scenes look into the passion and determination driving some of the world’s elite polo players, revealing the grit behind the glamour,” Prince Harry has said.
Sounds great, Harry! I love sports. I love sports documentaries... I went in with an open mind. That open mind went dark about 10 minutes into the first episode when, lulled into an ambient state, I suddenly found myself studying the inside of my eyelids.
...It does nothing to pull viewers into this rarefied world or convince them to emotionally invest in these players’ fortunes...
...These two are great at one thing: exploiting the royal family...But Harry and Meghan won’t learn any lessons. They’re too blinded by their own good deeds to admit they don’t know what they’re doing..."
 
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