The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 10: August 2024 -

[Mirabel]

I won't watch either.
I've heard PETA wants the sport banned because of how cruel it can be to the horses.

 

[FigTree]

Polo is actually quite interesting. The overwhelmingly posh nature of it. I remember being a child and hanging around the horse boxes and hearing this posh man going off about something not being right. Even at that age I was shocked at how he spoke.

I think there were a few factors to consider.

Firstly, IMO, Meghan hated the idea of being so low in the pecking order. She thought their popularity at the time of the wedding would give her the ability to call the shots with the BRF, and that was not happening for her.

Secondly, I think she thought she could leave the BRF and go and make a billion dollars and live happily ever after in California. A combination of the way they left the BRF, the toxicity they bring to any situation, the vacuous nature of their word salad, the bad decision-making and their inability to follow sage advice have all contributed to them being where they now are.

I think you are absolutely right. They neither have the talent or the intelligence (to literally hire and listen to those who are talented) and as a result they just aren't finding success.

In Ireland there is this woman called Grainne Seoige. Mainly known for like being stunning. She's had various jobs from presenting to whatever in the public eye. Recently wanted to be a politician. Never gets anywhere even though she is given every opportunity because of her looks. She just has no intelligence and limited talent. And certainly no knowledge of her own limitations. They are a bit like that. Like what can they do?

Not that I am saying any of the rest of them would be anything special without their role either. But it is the role. They believed their hype. Fools.

I think there were a few factors to consider.

Firstly, IMO, Meghan hated the idea of being so low in the pecking order. She thought their popularity at the time of the wedding would give her the ability to call the shots with the BRF, and that was not happening for her.

Secondly, I think she thought she could leave the BRF and go and make a billion dollars and live happily ever after in California. A combination of the way they left the BRF, the toxicity they bring to any situation, the vacuous nature of their word salad, the bad decision-making and their inability to follow sage advice have all contributed to them being where they now are.

 

[HenRach Dominion]

Even if several of their business ventures have stalled or never gone anywhere, have [...] The Duke and Duchess of Sussex asked the BRF for assistance? Have they dwelled on their alleged failed business ventures publicly, or have they, as many business people have, moved on to the next thing?

 

[FigTree]

Even if several of their business ventures have stalled or never gone anywhere, have [...] The Duke and Duchess of Sussex asked the BRF for assistance? Have they dwelled on their alleged failed business ventures publicly, or have they, as many business people have, moved on to the next thing?

No they seem remarkably resilient to keep going. However, there have been many times where Harry's request for money/security has been raised. He wanted money from Charles early on and Charles said no... after he settled several million on him. He is desperate to get security paid for and feels his father is blocking it. Which isn't true.

 

[HenRach Dominion]

No they seem remarkably resilient to keep going. However, there have been many times where Harry's request for money/security has been raised. He wanted money from Charles early on and Charles said no... after he settled several million on him. He is desperate to get security paid for and feels his father is blocking it. Which isn't true.

Emphasis mine. True, [...] The Duke of Sussex has expected monetary support for HM The King before, but even the closest estimate of when HM The King's support ran out was three, going on four years ago. Has there been any recent information about financial discussions between [...] The Sussexes and other members of the BRF revealed publicly (we can't know what goes on privately)?

As for security, wouldn't the British government pay for [...] The Sussexes' security, not the BRF? And although said security would cost British taxpayers, as far as I know it wouldn't cost the BRF anything (aren't at least TM The King and Queen and TRH The Wales exempt from paying taxes unless they voluntarily do so?) And even [...] The Duke of Sussex received the security he wanted, he wouldn't get any money personally from that situation, so it wouldn't really affect [...] The Sussexes' bottom line either in living expenses or business interests anyway.

 

[FigTree]

Emphasis mine. True, [...] The Duke of Sussex has expected monetary support for HM The King before, but even the closest estimate of when HM The King's support ran out was three, going on four years ago. Has there been any recent information about financial discussions between [...] The Sussexes and other members of the BRF revealed publicly (we can't know what goes on privately)?

As for security, wouldn't the British government pay for [...] The Sussexes' security, not the BRF? And although said security would cost British taxpayers, as far as I know it wouldn't cost the BRF anything (aren't at least TM The King and Queen and TRH The Wales exempt from paying taxes unless they voluntarily do so?) And even [...] The Duke of Sussex received the security he wanted, he wouldn't get any money personally from that situation, so it wouldn't really affect [...] The Sussexes' bottom line either in living expenses or business interests anyway.

It would drastically reduce their expenditure as their security bill is reportedly around 5 million. The BRF have absolutely nothing to do with the security. He seems to think they do. If he succeeds he will be being provided.by IPP security. And the USA would pay part of that.

 

[HenRach Dominion]

It would drastically reduce their expenditure as their security bill is reportedly around 5 million. The BRF have absolutely nothing to do with the security. He seems to think they do. If he succeeds he will be being provided.by IPP security. And the USA would pay part of that.

I didn’t know that. A few things that I’m still confused about:
1. My assumption from the security cases is that it only applies to their security in Great Britain. Even if the US pays for part of it, they wouldn’t have it outside of Great Britain, right?
2. Even if granted said security, The Sussexes themselves, as well as most of their business ventures, are based in the U.S. The Sussexes could try to build up new business ventures in the U.K., but with the baggage there compared to doing the same in the U.S. or elsewhere, would they?
3. If the security is solely in Great Britain and The Sussexes are unlikely to go there long enough to establish new business ties, whereas their security will always have to be independently paid in the US as they are private citizens and they both live and mainly work, how much would that reported 5 million decrease?

 

[kalnel]

It would drastically reduce their expenditure as their security bill is reportedly around 5 million. The BRF have absolutely nothing to do with the security. He seems to think they do. If he succeeds he will be being provided.by IPP security. And the USA would pay part of that.

I think you'd see a very, very unfavorable reaction from American taxpayers over that.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

I think you'd see a very, very unfavorable reaction from American taxpayers over that.

I cannot see American taxpayers paying for the Sussexes security in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Hallo girl]

I didn’t know that. A few things that I’m still confused about:
1. My assumption from the security cases is that it only applies to their security in Great Britain. Even if the US pays for part of it, they wouldn’t have it outside of Great Britain, right?
2. Even if granted said security, The Sussexes themselves, as well as most of their business ventures, are based in the U.S. The Sussexes could try to build up new business ventures in the U.K., but with the baggage there compared to doing the same in the U.S. or elsewhere, would they?
3. If the security is solely in Great Britain and The Sussexes are unlikely to go there long enough to establish new business ties, whereas their security will always have to be independently paid in the US as they are private citizens and they both live and mainly work, how much would that reported 5 million decrease?

1. From the start they were told by RAVEC (The royal and vip committee ) that each visit would be assessed on an individual basis, but with notice of the visit given. ( I think 28 days).
2. Harry wants IPP status, which is Internationally protected person, which provides security and diplomatic immunity wherever in the world he or his family happen to be.
When in the UK the government ( the tax payer ) would pay for that, maybe others on here could clear up who pays in the other countries, I am assuming e.g. the US government would pay when he is at home, but I could be wrong.
One of his accusations was that RAVEC broke their own rules in offering the ad hoc security, but he was told by the judge that it was in his favour.

RAVEC is independent of the Crown, there is evidence in the form of a letter from the late Queens private secretary that she wanted Harry to be considered for the protection but it was still declined.
The bottom line is that when he is here he will be protected, I know others will make a thing about the 28 days, but I am sure if something happened tomorrow that he needed to fly in for that he would be met by security at the airport.
He has already shown that he can come in under the radar if need be.

On previous visits he refused royal accommodation, preferred a hotel instead, so he was not that bothered about security. Or maybe he just liked the fuss of security in a public place.

The British public are tired of the antics, the misinformation, the poor me, the law suits.
He has made it clear he does not like us or this country, why is he so desperate to receive the security from us, in a country he does not want to visit.
It is all about the money, to save himself millions every year in security costs. I am fed up tip toeing round, he could not care a fig about visiting this country or his family, he wants the status of IPP.

 

[Ghost]

1. From the start they were told by RAVEC (The royal and vip committee ) that each visit would be assessed on an individual basis, but with notice of the visit given. ( I think 28 days).
2. Harry wants IPP status, which is Internationally protected person, which provides security and diplomatic immunity wherever in the world he or his family happen to be.
When in the UK the government ( the tax payer ) would pay for that, maybe others on here could clear up who pays in the other countries, I am assuming e.g. the US government would pay when he is at home, but I could be wrong.
One of his accusations was that RAVEC broke their own rules in offering the ad hoc security, but he was told by the judge that it was in his favour.

RAVEC is independent of the Crown, there is evidence in the form of a letter from the late Queens private secretary that she wanted Harry to be considered for the protection but it was still declined.
The bottom line is that when he is here he will be protected, I know others will make a thing about the 28 days, but I am sure if something happened tomorrow that he needed to fly in for that he would be met by security at the airport.
He has already shown that he can come in under the radar if need be.

On previous visits he refused royal accommodation, preferred a hotel instead, so he was not that bothered about security. Or maybe he just liked the fuss of security in a public place.

The British public are tired of the antics, the misinformation, the poor me, the law suits.
He has made it clear he does not like us or this country, why is he so desperate to receive the security from us, in a country he does not want to visit.
It is all about the money, to save himself millions every year in security costs. I am fed up tip toeing round, he could not care a fig about visiting this country or his family, he wants the status of IPP.

If I remember right, when he came to see Charles after the cancer diagnosis was made public, he got police escort from the airport to BP.

 

[Hallo girl]

If I remember right, when he came to see Charles after the cancer diagnosis was made public, he got police escort from the airport to BP.

Exactly, also for the Coronation. I believe he has actually made it more difficult for RAVEC, the general public would just have assumed any security when he was here was what he was entitled to. Now it is being scrutinised, as par for the course he has shot himself in the foot. He wants more security than Edward and Anne receive, who are also children of a monarch. Yes he went to Afghanistan, but so did thousands of others, who have not boasted about their kill count.

 

[Mbruno]

1. From the start they were told by RAVEC (The royal and vip committee ) that each visit would be assessed on an individual basis, but with notice of the visit given. ( I think 28 days).
2. Harry wants IPP status, which is Internationally protected person, which provides security and diplomatic immunity wherever in the world he or his family happen to be.
When in the UK the government ( the tax payer ) would pay for that, maybe others on here could clear up who pays in the other countries, I am assuming e.g. the US government would pay when he is at home, but I could be wrong.
One of his accusations was that RAVEC broke their own rules in offering the ad hoc security, but he was told by the judge that it was in his favour.

My understanding is that, as an IPP, the US government would be responsible for providing security for Harry and his family while in the USA. British police do not have jurisdiction on US soil,

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I definitely won’t watch.

I couldn’t be less interested in polo. It really has nothing to do with Harry and Meghan. I wouldn’t watch no matter what.

Apparently the reviews are not good from what I’d heard. I haven’t actually read them. Don’t plan to. If the reviews are that poor though- no surprise imo.

I started watching it yesterday on Netflix, but was quickly bored and gave it up. I am not interested in polo either, so I don't think this series is for me. I am pretty sure there is a niche audience that will warch it though, but I don't expect it to be very big.

 

[Hallo girl]

My understanding is that, as an IPP, the US government would be responsible for providing security for Harry and his family while in the USA. British police do not have jurisdiction on US soil,

What I am not sure is if the UK government has to pick up the bill or if it is the US government that covers the costs.

 

[Ghost]

What I am not sure is if the UK government has to pick up the bill or if it is the US government that covers the costs.

The government of the country they’re in at any given moment. As it was for the baby shower in feb 2019 in NY, it was the US government protecting her.

 

[FigTree]

If he had IPP the process is that when in another country, that government covers at least half if the cost because it is their security which is used.

This is universal amd unknown by all tax payers. A visiting denignatary will have their own security but added from the other country.

IPP's are rare. Most politicians and diplomats are not covered

Most would internationally be covered by the British but host country is also involved.

 

[Mirabel]

I cannot see American taxpayers paying for the Sussexes security in any way, shape, or form.

When this issue first came up (soon after the Sussexes left Canada for the USA), Trump immediately stated they would not get any security paid by taxpayers. I doubt he's changed his mind.

 

[Erin9]

When this issue first came up (soon after the Sussexes left Canada for the USA), Trump immediately stated they would not get any security paid by taxpayers. I doubt he's changed his mind.

Agreed.

Americans don’t agree on much, but I think this is an issue that would unite us: we’re not footing the security bills for a foreign prince and his family. That’s a hard no.

 

[kalnel]

Agreed.

Americans don’t agree on much, but I think this is an issue that would unite us: we’re not footing the security bills for a foreign prince and his family. That’s a hard no.

That’s for sure! I think Harry would find himself on a plane out of the country very fast if he pushed that.

Harry and Meghan live in a state packed with entertainment, sports, media, and business celebrities with far more notoriety than they have, so the thought that they need security beyond what anyone else gets for free is laughable.

 

[Hallo girl]

That’s for sure! I think Harry would find himself on a plane out of the country very fast if he pushed that.

Harry and Meghan live in a state packed with entertainment, sports, media, and business celebrities with far more notoriety than they have, so the thought that they need security beyond what anyone else gets for free is laughable.

It is all for show as to how important they are, or think they are. Also to save them money. Remember the show of cars to take them from a hotel to the venue, which was just round the corner.

 

[Curryong]

Prince Harry is a VIP as the son of the King of Great Britain and the realms. That’s not a pretence. Meghan is King Charles’s daughter in law. That is also no pretence.

What’s more, whatever the result of the court case as the King’s son Harry will receive security protection when he next visits the UK. That is not given to Pretenders.

When has Harry ever stated in public or otherwise that he dislikes GB and/or its people? The answer is ‘Never’. The reverse is true. The fact that he is settled in California is nothing to do with it. It is Meghan, I believe, who dislikes Britain, partly due to her reception by the British media from practically the beginning. She is more comfortable in the US and as her husband Harry naturally backs his wife. and is protective of her and their children.

 

[Ghost]

Prince Harry is a VIP as the son of the King of Great Britain and the realms. That’s not a pretence. Meghan is King Charles’s daughter in law. That is also no pretence.

What’s more, whatever the result of the court case as the King’s son Harry will receive security protection when he next visits the UK. That is not given to Pretenders.

When has Harry ever stated in public or otherwise that he dislikes GB and/or its people? The answer is ‘Never’. The reverse is true. The fact that he is settled in California is nothing to do with it. It is Meghan, I believe, who dislikes Britain, partly due to her reception by the British media from practically the beginning. She is more comfortable in the US and as her husband Harry naturally backs his wife. and is protective of her and their children.

Of course he’s the King’s son and she’s the daughter in law. Let’s take a look at the closest comparable situation: HLM’s children other than the heir.
Anne, Andrew and Edward, as children of the monarch at the time and working royals only received Met protection when on duty. As far as I know, Tim never got any as he’s not a working member of the family. Anne went to some engagement by underground not so long ago. Tim came to a Christmas lunch at BP by foot.
So, no, no VIP treatment for the (at the time) monarch’s adult children.

The difference (well, let’s not elaborate on Andrew) is that they got the memo that it’s not about themselves as persons but about the job.

 

[Curryong]

Strange that the late Queen wrote to the committee concerned requesting that the Sussexes’ fulltime security continue after he and Meghan left the ranks of the working royals, then. She must have been of a different mind, or had read some reports of ongoing threats being made against the pair.

 

[Hallo girl]

Strange that the late Queen wrote to RAVEC requesting that the Sussexes’ fulltime security continue after he and Meghan left the ranks of the working royals, then. She must have been of a different mind, or had read some reports of ongoing threats being made against the pair.

If she did have knowledge of reports I am sure RAVEC would have access to the same information. Maybe she just wanted to throw Harry some crumbs, maybe he asked her to do it, we do not know.
Harry has not been refused security when he is here. He has been refused IPP status.
I am sorry Curryong they have made known the contracts from Netflix and Spotify, they were both millionaires even before that. Harry has apparently recently inherited money from a trust fund. They are not hard up, but they expect the Taxpayer to pay their security costs, with nothing in return. They had a home on a private secure estate, they had personal security. You have said yourself that Meghan has no desire to come to the UK. So why is security here so important.? IMO it has nothing to do with visiting the UK it is all to do with IPP.
Nobody would wish any harm to come to any of the family but the taxpayer cannot keep footing the bill for them to travel the world usually in private jets.

 

[Curryong]

Harry’s beef is with security within the UK for himself and his family at this time. That is why he is fighting his case in the UK courts. Meghan isn’t a part of the lawsuit. My opinion is that leaping ahead and connecting it with an IPP status is particularly helpful or even relevant. It has not been mentioned in the court case.

 

[Asteria12]

If not for the IPP status, why does he continue to flog a lame horse? What could be the ultimate goal that Harry is striving for and can only gain if he wins his case? Its hard to understand what is driving his continuing action.

 

[Hallo girl]

Harry’s beef is with security within the UK for himself and his family at this time. That is why he is fighting his case in the UK courts. Meghan isn’t a part of the lawsuit. My opinion is that leaping ahead and connecting it with an IPP status is particularly helpful or even relevant. It has not been mentioned in the court case.

What is his beef, he is going to receive security when he is here. Tell me why he is in court then?

 

[Curryong]

Harry wants fulltime security for himself and his family (presumably because of the enormous number of abuse and threats, some of which have been detailed here in the forum an interview with a London Met top police official.) He obviously feels that just being protected during any engagements in England or when with the RF at State and family events doesn’t cover the other times when he and his family could come into danger.

 

[Hallo girl]

Harry wants fulltime security for himself and his family (presumably because of the enormous number of abuse and threats, some of which have been detailed here in the forum an interview with a London Met top police official.) He obviously feels that just being protected during any engagements in England or when with the RF at State and family events doesn’t cover the other times when he and his family could come into danger.

I am beginning to think we are talking at cross purposes, that is what they will have when they are here, but Meghan doesn't want to come here anyway.
We are going round in circles, I am dropping out because we are at risk of repetition.

 

[Curryong]

I just want to add (because I forgot before) that the Sussex couple were quite prepared to continue to pay rent for Frogmore Cottage so as to be able to stay in the security zone when they came to visit. However, that apparently was considered unacceptable by King Charles who told them to go from the Cottage by June last year. They did so, and FC remains vacant.