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Mbruno said:
I am sure Maxima would have had a great career in investment banking and that Mary Donaldson might have been successful in the career she would have chosen in Australia (advertising or whatever). But would they ever have been famous or made a significant impact on society? Honestly, I don't think so.

Camilla, on the other hand, left a blank space in the "Profession" field in her marriage certificate to Prince Charles as she obviously never had a profession herself. Neither did Sarah as far as I know. Kate might be working today with her parents, but, most likely, she would have married a banker or someone else who is upper middle-class and wealthy, and then become a full-time mom/housewife.

I don't dare to think what MM would be doing if she had not become a royal, but it suffices to say that she didn't quite have many accomplishments prior to getting married to CP Haakon. Daniel was a relatively successful businessman and would still be running his gyms today, but he would not be in any way noteworthy.

Ironically the only royal consorts I can think of (other than those who were born royal themselves like Queen Sofia) who were public figures and minor celebrities in their own right before getting married are Meghan, because she was a TV actress, and Letizia, because she was an award-winning journalist and a well-known TV news anchor in Spain.
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My point was that fame and adoring attention or to clap back at media should never be the motive to do well in anything. Also, even if you don’t get fame, you’ll be content with life. Maxima has her accomplishments, why should being famous be important? As does Mary. Camilla’s case was at a time when lots of upper class women weren’t encouraged at getting further education or considered important and she’s content with her life. She cares little for media attention or nastiness. Kate is at least educated and is content focusing on motherhood in spite being a working royal, not fame and adoration.

Meghan has had acting roles, but she would hardly be famous on the attention she gets now if she wasn’t married to Harry, she hardly had much work lined up after suits. Respect the position and privilege you have whether a born royal or not. The Gloucesters hardly get much attention, but they’re not fussed about attention.
 
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Durham said:
I would suggest that it is some foreigners not Britons who see members of the rf as "special". And some of these are American.

Which is kind of ironic don't you think?
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I don't normally agree with the OP (and don't fully agree either in this case), but please allow me to defend all those clueless foreigners.

The British people may not see the royals as "special", but the royals are above everybody else in the country (even the prime minister) in the official order of precedence of the state (this is an objective fact). They are entitled to military honors (soldiers stand in attention at their sight and salute them. some of them even have flag days); many civilians still bow or cursty to them; they get police protection and are provided state transportation in official public events (the most senior royals get those 24/7, even in private functions); and many of them get to live in Crown Estate properties which are also protected 24/7. Royals are also in general celebrities who are covered extensively by the British press.

I suppose it is understandable that all of the above makes us foreigners see them as "special" in some sense. Maybe "special" is not the right word, but certainly they are not ordinary or common people.
 
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Mbruno said:
I don't normally agree with the OP (and don't fully agree either in this case), but please allow me to defend all those clueless foreigners.

The British people may not see the royals as "special", but the royals are above everybody else in the country (even the prime minister) in the official order of precedence of the state (this is an objective fact). They are entitled to military honors (soldiers stand in attention at their sight and salute them. some of them even have flag days); many civilians still bow or cursty to them; they get police protection and are provided state transportation in official public events (the most senior royals get those 24/7, even in private functions); and many of them get to live in Crown Estate properties which are also protected 24/7. Royals are also in general celebrities who are covered extensively by the British press.

I suppose it is understandable that all of the above makes us foreigners see them as "special" in some sense. Maybe "special" is not the right word, but certainly they are not ordinary or common people.
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Peculiar as it appears, it can be simultaneously true that all of the above happens & yet the individuals involved are not thought of as “special”.

This really does make perfect sense to British people even if it doesn’t to outsiders. Honestly it really really does.

I guess we’re just an odd lot, with layers of enigmatic cultural baggage as intriguing to ethnographers as the practises of some newly discovered Amazon tribe. An old people with eccentricities marinated over the centuries.
 
www.dailymail.co.uk

BORIS JOHNSON: My 'manly pep talk' with Harry in bid to stop Megxit

Boris Johnson made an extraordinary last-ditch bid to persuade Prince Harry not to quit the UK. Mr Johnson's new book, Unleashed, will be serialised in the Daily Mail from Saturday.
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Ex PM Boris Johnson reveals in the newly published political memoirs detailing his career that both BP and Downing St officials asked him (at practically the last minute) to change Harry’s mind about leaving royal duties.

Johnson states in these memoirs that it was a hopeless task.
 
Curryong said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

BORIS JOHNSON: My 'manly pep talk' with Harry in bid to stop Megxit

Boris Johnson made an extraordinary last-ditch bid to persuade Prince Harry not to quit the UK. Mr Johnson's new book, Unleashed, will be serialised in the Daily Mail from Saturday.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Ex PM Boris Johnson reveals in the newly published political memoirs detailing his career that both BP and Downing St officials asked him (at practically the last minute) to change Harry’s mind about leaving royal duties.

Johnson states in these memoirs that it was a hopeless task.
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Who exactly asked him to talk to Harry? I find it odd that "BP and Downing St officials" would be in a position to "make" the PM do anything as he said. Such a request would have to come from the Queen herself or, at least, from the Prince of Wales.
 
Curryong said:
Johnson doesn’t name them. However he himself said so and he’d hardly be lying about such a thing.

This revelation has ended up on the front page of several British newspapers including the broadsheet The Telegraph.
More from the BBC.

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Newspaper headlines: Johnson's 'pep talk' with Harry and Treasury rethinks non-dom plan

Making a number of Friday's front pages is Boris Johnson's memoir, Unleashed, published next month.
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Thank you for sharing. This is fascinating.
 
Yes, but not about this. A denial from BP or from Prince Harry himself about any meeting when his new book is being serialised would prove extremely embarrassing to Boris. And his publishers would for sure have asked for names of official sources and would have checked before publication.

And Sky News reported them meeting at the time.
 
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Sounds like great fun. I’m sure they had a ball , and so will those members of the public who will tour Fallon’s ‘House’!
 
Curryong said:
A denial from BP or from Prince Harry himself about any meeting when his new book is being serialised would prove extremely embarrassing to Boris. And his publishers would for sure have asked for names of official sources and would have checked before publication.
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...if Johnson were capable of being extremely embarrassed or ashamed about anything; his entire career, both political- and non-, is filled with much more damaging episodes than having a conversation with the Duke of Sussex. I don’t think BJ is concerned about being embarrassed for anything and I doubt a minor and unproductive meeting with Harry was the greatest concern for his publishers. He has not earned a track record for being trustworthy, whatever he says or does, and any doubt his words immediately cast is his own fault.

He certainly didn’t give them any advice on being dignified or making a graceful exit.
 
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This article contains video of PH in the Haunted House.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Prince Harry screamed and swore in bizarre Jimmy Fallon appearance

The Duke of Sussex was filmed screaming as he ventured through a haunted maze with Jimmy Fallon on his late-night talk show, following a week of high-profile appearances in New York.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Edit: just realised there is video on Iceflower’s link above! The video on the Mail article is longer and does has some extra bits, intro etc.
 
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iceflower said:
The Duke of Sussex appeared on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon yesterday, September 26, but wasn't interviewed:


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Watch as Prince Harry screams his way through a haunted house with Jimmy Fallon

Prince Harry marked a TV first during surprise 'spooky' appearance on The Jimmy Fallon Show
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I don’t understand. Either he wants to be perceived like a global powerhouse (because stateman cannot be applied), either a clown who swears. It’s not that statemen cannot be clowns or don’t swear, it’s only that they tend to not let it be in public.
 
Ghost said:
I don’t understand. Either he wants to be perceived like a global powerhouse (because stateman cannot be applied), either a clown who swears. It’s not that statemen cannot be clowns or don’t swear, it’s only that they tend to not let it be in public.
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I don’t think he knows what he wants TBH. IMO his priorities are rather confused to put it mildly.
 
Ghost said:
I don’t understand. Either he wants to be perceived like a global powerhouse (because stateman cannot be applied), either a clown who swears. It’s not that statemen cannot be clowns or don’t swear, it’s only that they tend to not let it be in public.
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Wellknown politicians, especially in the States, have often appeared on late night TV on shows like Jimmy Fallon’s. What about Saturday Night Live, where people like George Bush, Hillary Clinton and Al Gore appeared.

It’s only a bit of fun. after all. And royals who are still working appeared on ‘Its a Royal Knockout’. Presumably they weren’t confused at the time!
 
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Curryong said:
Wellknown politicians, especially in the States, have often appeared on late night TV on shows like Jimmy Fallon’s. What about Saturday Night Live, where people like George Bush, Hillary Clinton and Al Gore appeared.

It’s only a bit of fun. after all. And royals who are still working appeared on ‘Its a Royal Knockout’. Presumably they weren’t confused at the time!
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Some of the family members who took part did it simply to support Edward and charities associated with the royals even if others found it vulgar. It was silly though. Edward wasn’t a working royal at that point and he wasn’t considered a serious high profile royal by the media. His credibility crumbled slowly and fell further after the production company failed. People in the media/film industry stopped taking him seriously after that. PR wise the royals in the 90s weren’t really media savvy at all. Also that was 37 years ago, no one talks about that mess anymore because it’s literally old news. Edward stopped film production and Sophie stopped her PR work more than a decade ago.
 
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Curryong said:
Yes, but not about this. A denial from BP or from Prince Harry himself about any meeting when his new book is being serialised would prove extremely embarrassing to Boris. And his publishers would for sure have asked for names of official sources and would have checked before publication.

And Sky News reported them meeting at the
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Curryong said:
Wellknown politicians, especially in the States, have often appeared on late night TV on shows like Jimmy Fallon’s. What about Saturday Night Live, where people like George Bush, Hillary Clinton and Al Gore appeared.

It’s only a bit of fun. after all. And royals who are still working appeared on ‘Its a Royal Knockout’. Presumably they weren’t confused at the time!
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Maybe Harry should have learned from that. It really is old news.
 
Ghost said:
I don’t understand. Either he wants to be perceived like a global powerhouse (because stateman cannot be applied), either a clown who swears. It’s not that statemen cannot be clowns or don’t swear, it’s only that they tend to not let it be in public.
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He is just behaving as other Hollywood celebrities do. It is not unusual for a movie star to be invited to a UN conference on the protection of children ( a cause that many celebrities embrace/promote) and, then, be on a Late Night talk show on the next day.

That is Harry's world now.
 
Ghost said:
I don’t understand. Either he wants to be perceived like a global powerhouse (because stateman cannot be applied), either a clown who swears. It’s not that statemen cannot be clowns or don’t swear, it’s only that they tend to not let it be in public.
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Why the swearing? He must have known the video would go public, what was he thinking?
It was so crude, no class at all.
 
I’d say he is probably getting himself a tattoo. Plenty of people have them (especially males but younger females do as well) and Harry probably decided to join them. It’s not illegal and it’s doubtful that people will ever see it.

And no, no, no members of the royal family ever swear in front of others, not even the Queen!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/24005830/nine-times-royals-turned-air-blue-swearing-queen/#:~:text=But%20he's%20not%20the%20only,have%20turned%20the%20air%20blue%E2%80%A6
 
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Prince Harry will visit Lesotho to support charity

The Duke of Sussex will travel to Lesotho early next month for a gathering of business leaders, philanthropists and local stakeholders, aimed at driving forward the work of his charity Sentebale.
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Prince Harry will be visiting Lesotho in early October in support of his first charity Sentebale, it has just been announced. His first visit to the country was at 19, which inspired the foundation of Sentebale.

abcnews.go.com

Prince Harry’s Sentebale organization leading initiative to support youth in Africa

Prince Harry’s latest philanthropic move will gather world business leaders and philanthropists to work towards fostering prosperity in Southern African communities
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Curryong said:
I’d say he is probably getting himself a tattoo. Plenty of people have them (especially males but younger females do as well) and Harry probably decided to join them. It’s not illegal and it’s doubtful that people will ever see it.

And no, no, no members of the royal family ever swear in front of others, not even the Queen!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/24005830/nine-times-royals-turned-air-blue-swearing-queen/#:~:text=But%20he's%20not%20the%20only,have%20turned%20the%20air%20blue%E2%80%A6
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It is not unlikely that Harry already had other tattoos, Is there any record of his getting a tattoo before?

EDIT: As far as I understand, tattoos are allowed in the British Army as long as they can be fully covered when dressed (i.e., no tattoos for example on the forearm or the neck are allowed if I understand it correctly).
 
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I’ve never heard of Harry getting a tattoo, and I’ve been taking notice of his affairs since he was nineteen. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t got one though and people have just kept quiet about it.
 
Curryong said:
I’ve never heard of Harry getting a tattoo, and I’ve been taking notice of his affairs since he was nineteen. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t got one though and people have just kept quiet about it.
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I think you are correct. I believe he said in “Spare” that he once wanted to get one of Botswana while he was on that infamous Las Vegas trip but his friends and security stopped him, recognizing he wasn’t in the right frame of mind for decision making.
 
The best thing about those photos of him going into the tattoo parlor are how, after the way he snidely mocked William for his baldness in his book "Spare" they highlight the fact that Harry has not one single hair on the top of his head. It's a vast expanse of pink skin up there. I don't care that Harry is bald, I am as well, it's the sweet karma of it all that I'm drawing attention to here.
 
Nowadays in the western world there isn't anything wrong with tattoos as such (depending on the subject and use in specific cultures), didn't P.Philip have an interest in them (i think i remember reading he asked someone about their tattoos)?
Also i think K.George V had a tattoo?

But yes, to get them it's wise to be aware what you're doing, so good for Harry having good friends at the time to prevent it, if he wasn't
 
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